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I assumed Inc's appearance is because he's regenerating most of his body or something like that.
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Is Mammon the weakest of the demiurges? Besides being giant dragon Jeff Bezos, does he have any other particular skills of note? I seem to recall he bought his key, which is never a good thing way to gain power when it all boils down to the using sharp rocks part of the equation.
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Z the IVth posted:Is Mammon the weakest of the demiurges? Well, he is now. I don't know if he always was, but in a world where power is explicitly linked to the will to use it being the most depressed demiurge probably made him the de facto weakest regardless of whatever else he had going in.
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Z the IVth posted:Is Mammon the weakest of the demiurges? Besides being giant dragon Jeff Bezos, does he have any other particular skills of note? Well he's just too big for conventional weapons and techniques to even work on him and he summons both meteors and molten gold during this fight. But yeah, his real power is just overwhelming monetary assets.
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Sep 12, 2021 16:45
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Mammon was the least practiced at the art of kicking rear end
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mammon was explicitly called as the weakest several times, and when jadis saw her oopsie and got stuck in blue jello it's explicitly stated that she went from one of the most powerful demiurges to the least (except for mammon)
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Yeah, back in the day Mammon was saved from being bottom of the barrel by 1) Incubus, Jadis, and possibly Mottom existing and 2) the clever stratagem of being a gigantic dragon, but senility has certainly not helped his burning fires of will. nor have, you know, recent events
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Sep 12, 2021 20:20
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He just doesn’t have the head for this demiurge stuff.
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I think at the time of the ranking Mammon was described as the weakest "for reasons that will become apparent when he appears", or something like that. Seems to hint that his mental state was the main reason for him being the absolute last. Otherwise he probably shares the bottom tier with Mottom and/or Incubus. Though to his credit he's as far as we know the only Servant to become a Demiurge, so his personal will was probably pretty impressive. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 12, 2021 |
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Brought To You By posted:Well he's just too big for conventional weapons and techniques to even work on him and he summons both meteors and molten gold during this fight. But yeah, his real power is just overwhelming monetary assets. Wasn't it stated that he bought his key?
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Sep 12, 2021 22:02
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Something something splitting headache
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Now he'll never be the head of a major banking conglomerate
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TwoQuestions posted:So now we just watch everyone else watch in horror as Jagg kills the universe? Even with Gog they'd have probably lost, and now he's stronger than he was then. I am choosing to believe that they could have won with Aspected Chaos's help. And yes, this does seem pretty dire now! TwoQuestions posted:Why Jagg pissed about in his weaker form and didn't kill Solomon (and his whole planet) by surprise is really puzzling to me. I am likewise choosing to believe that he really wanted to drive his point home instead of picking them off one by one. Or maybe he just loves a good spectacle!
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Sep 12, 2021 22:21
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Renaissance Robot posted:Wasn't it stated that he bought his key? Yes, though being wealthy enough to buy something that's priceless and irreplaceable during a war where there's thousands of warlords willing to shank you and steal your hoard seems to imply he was probably strong enough to be a real contender for the key for other reasons.
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TwoQuestions posted:Why Jagg pissed about in his weaker form and didn't kill Solomon (and his whole planet) by surprise is really puzzling to me.
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TwoQuestions posted:So now we just watch everyone else watch in horror as Jagg kills the universe? Even with Gog they'd have probably lost, and now he's stronger than he was then. Calling what happened with White Chain plot armor is stupid and reductive as hell. As for the second part, as far as Jagganoth is concerned his victory is completely inevitable and unstoppable. He doesn't need subtly or subterfuge because trying to stop him is like an ant trying to stop an avalanche. Better to offer the chance to die quickly and cleanly and save everyone the trouble.
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It's easy, he just had to get pressured enough to fill up his limit break. You can't just walk into a fight and immediately use your most powerful attack, this is Shonentown.
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Count Uvula posted:Yes, though being wealthy enough to buy something that's priceless and irreplaceable during a war where there's thousands of warlords willing to shank you and steal your hoard seems to imply he was probably strong enough to be a real contender for the key for other reasons. I thought he bought his *first* Key, rather than acquiring the rest through wealth.
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There Bias Two posted:I thought he bought his *first* Key, rather than acquiring the rest through wealth. That's my interpretation too, he had to work his way up to 111,111 worlds like the rest of them.
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That's probably the best one word update I've ever seen.
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the holy poopacy posted:That's my interpretation too, he had to work his way up to 111,111 worlds like the rest of them. Yeah I'd always been under the impression that the Seven had formed an alliance together as minor demiurges before they came out on top and worked together to take out everyone else. (With the possible exception of Maya/Incubus)
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I hope we get a flashback thing about Incubus and Maya that ends up with him not being a massive piece of poo poo but I doubt it. I feel like everyone is going down in less than glorious fashion. Like the few minutes Gog came to help Jag’s armies invaded her worlds and sterilized them while vulnerable.
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wait but where does jagganoth get his other eye?????? one other demiurge is getting ripped in twain minimum
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TK-42-1 posted:I hope we get a flashback thing about Incubus and Maya that ends up with him not being a massive piece of poo poo but I doubt it. I feel like everyone is going down in less than glorious fashion. Like the few minutes Gog came to help Jag’s armies invaded her worlds and sterilized them while vulnerable. Gog's worlds are mostly Gog anyways, and also why do people keep going 'I bet Jagganoth was doing something horrible offscreen' there's no parsimony to it. He's doing something horrible on-screen and with great success, I don't see why it needs to be more complicated than that.
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Mainly because dealing with Gog seems like an insurmountable barrier considering her nature?
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Archenteron posted:Allison kicks down the door, Solomon reminds her that they're in the tournament arc, the preliminary round starts tomorrow, a nearby scribe hands her an entry form and invoice for the door repair, and shoos her out. I forgot what I was clicking but I ended up in this thread circa 2017... Many good posts
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someone mentioned this in the discord and white chain's official art from war for rayuba in the canonical future is pretty interesting:  at least, given the current state of the demiurges and their keys, her formerly grey-ish eyes are now the same color as Solomon's and there's something covering the part of her forehead where you might see if she had a key eke out fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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Something we've kinda missed; They're all back on the ground now. In Cutting-range of a certain angry Noodle Vendor...
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A lesser storyteller would take this opportunity for Incubus to try to seize Alisons key, now you need 2 keys to keep up with the fight after all.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:A lesser storyteller would take this opportunity for Incubus to try to seize Alisons key, now you need 2 keys to keep up with the fight after all. I'm still kind of wondering if this is where this scene is going. "Welp" could very well be "Welp, time for Plan C."
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TWO swords!
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Incubus using the universal white Midwesterner signal that you're leaving VVVVVVV "I got a, oof, just a heck of a drive." Who What Now fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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“Time to hit the ol’ dusty trail…”
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bees x1000 posted:TWO swords! What is better than two swords? Nothing METI: Exactly!
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Who What Now posted:Incubus using the universal white Midwesterner signal that you're leaving "alllllllright, it's getting late."
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*slaps knee* think it's time to head out, thanks for having me
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Aw, you sure you don't want a cup of coffee first? I was just about to make some.
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Pyrus Malus posted:wait but where does jagganoth get his other eye?????? one other demiurge is getting ripped in twain minimum Good observation, I had assumed that Jagg would take an eye from Allison but that does not seem to be the case.
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Jaggs pissed about in the beginning because he knew he was invincible and he wanted to see what the others could manage to do. He's having a very entertaining and productive day.
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