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Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Real hurthling! posted:

lmao that lawyer that got shot a couple weeks ago hired a hitman to kill him so his kid could collect 10 million after most likely using another hitman to kill his wife and other son a couple months ago yowza
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-man-charged-assisted-suicide-shooting-alex-murdaugh-n1279208

bagged

https://twitter.com/MandyMatney/status/1438530806817898500

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Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

kennedy interns would never serve their natural predators, the cia

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

The Kingfish posted:

I don’t think AOC is CIA and I don’t think the CIA uses undergrad volunteers to foment coups on its behalf.

Dumbass

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


The Kingfish posted:

I don’t think AOC is CIA and I don’t think the CIA uses undergrad volunteers to foment coups on its behalf.

you ever hear the phrase "stochastic terrorism"? somebody inciting violence without being specific, a bit like "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and so on. very similar thing here. the hoover slaughterhouse shovels blood money into anything and everything that might be useful in entrenching its position no matter how inane - the CIA funding modern art, for example. so by sheer volume - the sheer number of people who end up adjacent to that money, often without realizing where it's from because this system is designed to obfuscate that - that outputs people who are beholden to it, who actively uphold its agenda, without ever having a handler or holding a check that isn't plausibly deniable. someone who went on a USAID funded trip abroad and interned for ted kennedy is going to try to protect the system that enveloped them without severe introspection that aoc is clearly not interested in.

so, yeah, I'm confident in claiming that there's a meaningful sense in which she wasn't an "op" before her election. nobody had her attend secret meetings with cigarette-smoking men as they discussed how to best coup niger. but that's a naive pop culture framing, and definitely not necessary to be something bad - an asset, maybe, or co-opted, or some other phrase. she definitely is one of those, and if someone wants to call that an "op" I sure ain't gonna stop them.

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
All those left behind in afghanistan are students, ngo people (doctors and nursed probably I bet!), helpful local translators and Definitely No Spooks or opportunists, Biden has b l o o d on his hands

nut
Jul 30, 2019

wasn't AOC recruited by some pac through an audition event? i feel like i'm making it up. Also, someone should point 2 PMJ's posts about AOC funding forever ago cuz they were good...

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

I spent the last two hours on usaids website. I feel worse than when I read the climate thread.









based on the shared love of nonsense charts and this stuff I’m pretty sure Discendo works for USAID or something adjacent









They’re onto us. special thanks to Brown Moses







I’m going to throw up now.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

The Kingfish posted:

I don’t think AOC is CIA and I don’t think the CIA uses undergrad volunteers to foment coups on its behalf.

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

The Kingfish posted:

I don’t think AOC is CIA and I don’t think the CIA uses undergrad volunteers to foment coups on its behalf.

that is because you are historically illiterate

staticman
Sep 12, 2008

Be gay
Death to America
Suck my dick Israel
Mess with Texas
and remember to lmao
https://twitter.com/JurassicDunk/status/1438368040446537729

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

World War Mammories posted:

you ever hear the phrase "stochastic terrorism"? somebody inciting violence without being specific, a bit like "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and so on. very similar thing here. the hoover slaughterhouse shovels blood money into anything and everything that might be useful in entrenching its position no matter how inane - the CIA funding modern art, for example. so by sheer volume - the sheer number of people who end up adjacent to that money, often without realizing where it's from because this system is designed to obfuscate that - that outputs people who are beholden to it, who actively uphold its agenda, without ever having a handler or holding a check that isn't plausibly deniable. someone who went on a USAID funded trip abroad and interned for ted kennedy is going to try to protect the system that enveloped them without severe introspection that aoc is clearly not interested in.

so, yeah, I'm confident in claiming that there's a meaningful sense in which she wasn't an "op" before her election. nobody had her attend secret meetings with cigarette-smoking men as they discussed how to best coup niger. but that's a naive pop culture framing, and definitely not necessary to be something bad - an asset, maybe, or co-opted, or some other phrase. she definitely is one of those, and if someone wants to call that an "op" I sure ain't gonna stop them.

I largely agree with this but also sometimes I remember how Gloria Steinem was an open paid informant for the CIA and wonder

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


World War Mammories posted:

you ever hear the phrase "stochastic terrorism"? somebody inciting violence without being specific, a bit like "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and so on. very similar thing here. the hoover slaughterhouse shovels blood money into anything and everything that might be useful in entrenching its position no matter how inane - the CIA funding modern art, for example. so by sheer volume - the sheer number of people who end up adjacent to that money, often without realizing where it's from because this system is designed to obfuscate that - that outputs people who are beholden to it, who actively uphold its agenda, without ever having a handler or holding a check that isn't plausibly deniable. someone who went on a USAID funded trip abroad and interned for ted kennedy is going to try to protect the system that enveloped them without severe introspection that aoc is clearly not interested in.

so, yeah, I'm confident in claiming that there's a meaningful sense in which she wasn't an "op" before her election. nobody had her attend secret meetings with cigarette-smoking men as they discussed how to best coup niger. but that's a naive pop culture framing, and definitely not necessary to be something bad - an asset, maybe, or co-opted, or some other phrase. she definitely is one of those, and if someone wants to call that an "op" I sure ain't gonna stop them.

The tendency of individuals to defend systems of power/patronage they benefit from is uncontroversial and plainly applies to AOC. It’s also obvious that AOC is less of a outsider than she lets on. But the obvious implication of OP’s Twitter thread is that AOC is a knowing CIA asset who played some significant role in a coup d’etat. Maybe, but I’d need to see more evidence before I take that too seriously.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

nut posted:

wasn't AOC recruited by some pac through an audition event? i feel like i'm making it up. Also, someone should point 2 PMJ's posts about AOC funding forever ago cuz they were good...

Yes. I'll point them out!

Perry Mason Jar posted:

No, AOC's initial bid was supported through a lot of billionaire contributions that were hidden.

"Supposed to" is a little stronger than what I'm saying. I'm saying it makes no difference to them whether he wins or loses and he will lose as a consequence.

I have no strong conviction about Klobuchar getting the pick, but I will say that the optics of supporting her despite Chauvin isn't exactly counter to the DNC's overall strategy. Biden is unapologetically White and surely they don't mind courting a sizable chunk of Blue white supremacists.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

No it wasn't, I was talking about my Q1 2017 Biden nom and subsequent loss prediction.

Well I mentioned her initial bid so let's stick to that here for a second. Read this first: https://nlpc.org/2019/03/04/fec-complaint-filed-against-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-extensive-off-the-books-campaign/ This PAC money becomes a rather tangled web of pass-throughs. There's a few important players and entities: Brand New Congress PAC, Justice Democrats PAC, Real Justice PAC, Cari Tuna, Bernal Alto LLC, and Middle Seat Consulting.

Cari Tuna, Facebook multi-billionaire, gives money to Real Justice PAC (this is Shaun King's PAC, by the way):



Real Justice PAC gives money to Bernal Alto LLC (good luck finding much of any information on this one) and Middle Seating Consulting (ditto):





Bernal Alto LLC, AOC's campaign itself, and Middle Seat Consulting in turn give money to the Justice Democrats PAC:



All images from here: https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/

It's a web of consulting firms, campaigns, PACs, and billionaire money.

And to further bolster this it's very easy to note AOC's absurd media presence. Vanity Fair, Teen Vogue, Time, Rolling Stone, HBO, blah blah blah and so on. Those media firms are owned by billionaires but she's getting top billing!

I've been banging the gong against AOC since her bid in 2019, for what it's worth. It's actually not that much fun to be ahead of the curve, but here we are.
Edit: by the way Ilhan Omar is also CIA. See: Global Village work for starters. Definitely a spook. I thought Omar a spook more than I did and for longer than AOC who I thought was just a malign DNC operative playing an Obama-type role for the receipt and blunting of socialist messaging but turns out is actually also a spook plainly (given these new revelations; I was caught up to Bolivian fascist support but not USAID that's new info to me). So I'm not perfect, sue me.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 20:33 on Sep 16, 2021

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

The Kingfish posted:

The tendency of individuals to defend systems of power/patronage they benefit from is uncontroversial and plainly applies to AOC. It’s also obvious that AOC is less of a outsider than she lets on. But the obvious implication of OP’s Twitter thread is that AOC is a knowing CIA asset who played some significant role in a coup d’etat. Maybe, but I’d need to see more evidence before I take that too seriously.

sure, she merely worked with an organization that has worldwide reach and historically just happens to leave coups & other upheavals in its wake

staticman
Sep 12, 2008

Be gay
Death to America
Suck my dick Israel
Mess with Texas
and remember to lmao
Okay what caused Nikki to snap and start spamming her twitter with literal white supremacy spewed from Tucker Ballson?
https://twitter.com/cryptonomaly/status/1437751722818949124
OOOOOHH RIGHT TO DISTRACT FROM THAT :stare:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I think I also pointed this out in some other post here - I've brought up AOC plenty in this thread - but I don't feel like trawling through my posts for it so I'll just reiterate quickly, simply:

AOC's first assignment was to kill M4A. This was accomplished, first of all, by unseating Crowley who was himself a proponent of M4A (Crowley, fwiw, is not a 'good guy' and has done plenty, plenty I disagree with, however his support for
M4A was real). Next it was some mealy-mouthed stuff about how M4A is not possible "right now". Soon thereafter AOC was supporting Pelosi's bid for Speaker. Now, Pelosi is and always has been among the loudest M4A-opponents in the Democratic party - this is not a secret and probably she is plainly proud of this fact. AOC said some bullshit about Pelosi being a radical (seriously! laughable, hilarious, but true! She said this, you remember?) and about not splitting the party or whatever the gently caress. She had the option, you know, of supporting instead Barbara Lee for Speaker but this never happened. Of course Barbara Lee is to her left and of congresspersons she is the most left by voting record. Absolute proponent of M4A. Mind you, M4A was an AOC campaign promise.

Next you have AOC's role in ensuring the border camps would stay in place. She headed the committee that was meant to investigate. Result? A photo op and a tale of AOC's (!) discomfort and fear while touring the ICE facility. Seriously! She did not issue a single subpoena. She did not do anything, anything at all to advocate for the abused at those camps. The committee's existence and the photo op were sufficient. Horrid.

Of course that whole affair regarding the camps was a stupid ruse and she helped no one except herself. But I'd be remiss not to mention, also, that AOC voted to fund DHS (and therefore ICE) during this same period. Remember that she ran on an "Abolish ICE" platform! That was the bulk of her platform! It was her largest slogan and biggest boon to relevancy. What has she done to abolish ICE? No no no everything she's done has assured ICE's funding and existence, you know.

Edit: As for other things not mentioned in that twitter thread: financing her boyfriend's life through campaign contributions, her campaign manager sporting a Subhas Chandra Bose shirt, funding Israel, and more! She's Nixonian. Forget socialist she is not even left of most Democrats.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 20:51 on Sep 16, 2021

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

staticman posted:

Okay what caused Nikki to snap and start spamming her twitter with literal white supremacy spewed from Tucker Ballson?
https://twitter.com/cryptonomaly/status/1437751722818949124
OOOOOHH RIGHT TO DISTRACT FROM THAT :stare:

Funny that everyone has a lot more smoke for her forwarding COVID heterodoxy than they do for marrying and defending a known pedophile. I'm sorry but this is not a new story. This is well known stuff, for years now. Not to mention her brother, who is also a pedophile and whom she has also defended - including paying for his attorneys and other fees.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I'm sorry but this is not a new story. This is well known stuff, for years now.

idk her music or anything and everyone who I ever brought this stuff up 2 has had no idea about it beforehand. The same about Drake. These aren't well known things to people, in my experience.

e: the book isn't called "passively observing consent"

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
It's known in the hip hop community, same as Drake being a pedophile is known. It's simply ignored. I'm less aware of the various pop-punk and emo-songwriter musicians who turned out to be pedos or who likely are pedos than people in hip-hop since I'm more into hip hop. I guess it's possible Nicki deliberately intended to the wag the pedo dog with this tail stunt but it would seriously only be news to people just really learning of her by way of the COVID heterodoxy in the first. Eh, so yes, possible, but people think in a clique-fashion so I have a hard time swallowing it - that is, Nicki probably assumes she is only ever addressing her own audience (who know about her husband, brother) with no expectation that anyone else is paying attention. Like you say, it took this controversy for you to even know of it - meaning it had the opposite of its intended effect if that was in fact its intent. No I don't buy it.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Perry Mason Jar posted:

No I don't buy it.

not tryin 2 sell you on anything, just saying my experience :shrug:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Oh I know, sorry if I came off aggro. In my view, there is generally not much cause for people to hide their pedophile apologia, which is itself (horrifically) pretty routine.

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017





dead gay comedy forums posted:

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhaha

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

while we're on the subject of met gala publicity stunts and the deep state

https://mobile.twitter.com/punchedmonet_/status/1437693983413596163

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

StashAugustine posted:

while we're on the subject of met gala publicity stunts and the deep state

https://mobile.twitter.com/punchedmonet_/status/1437693983413596163

ayyyy i'm crackin' an' pingin' ovah heah!

multistability
Feb 15, 2014
https://youtu.be/doegoa3spKo

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Perry Mason Jar posted:

AOC's first assignment was to kill M4A. This was accomplished, first of all, by unseating Crowley who was himself a proponent of M4A (Crowley, fwiw, is not a 'good guy' and has done plenty, plenty I disagree with, however his support for
M4A was real). Next it was some mealy-mouthed stuff about how M4A is not possible "right now". Soon thereafter AOC was supporting Pelosi's bid for Speaker. Now, Pelosi is and always has been among the loudest M4A-opponents in the Democratic party - this is not a secret and probably she is plainly proud of this fact.

lol I looked it up and crowley did co-sponsor a m4a bill, though obviously sponsoring a bill means jack poo poo.

that said, pelosi has not always been an opponent of m4a. she was real big on the idea in 1993, thirty years ago.

of course, though I can't find a source right now, this is extra hilarious given aoc's comments a bit ago in which she hoped her kids would have universal health care in thirty years

anyway the purpose of a system is what it does and I don't agree with the charges of intentional sheepdogging - the power of self-deception is a potent thing, and I think ignoring it is a real bad idea - but the effect is the same so lmao

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


World War Mammories posted:

you ever hear the phrase "stochastic terrorism"? somebody inciting violence without being specific, a bit like "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and so on. very similar thing here. the hoover slaughterhouse shovels blood money into anything and everything that might be useful in entrenching its position no matter how inane - the CIA funding modern art, for example. so by sheer volume - the sheer number of people who end up adjacent to that money, often without realizing where it's from because this system is designed to obfuscate that - that outputs people who are beholden to it, who actively uphold its agenda, without ever having a handler or holding a check that isn't plausibly deniable. someone who went on a USAID funded trip abroad and interned for ted kennedy is going to try to protect the system that enveloped them without severe introspection that aoc is clearly not interested in.

so, yeah, I'm confident in claiming that there's a meaningful sense in which she wasn't an "op" before her election. nobody had her attend secret meetings with cigarette-smoking men as they discussed how to best coup niger. but that's a naive pop culture framing, and definitely not necessary to be something bad - an asset, maybe, or co-opted, or some other phrase. she definitely is one of those, and if someone wants to call that an "op" I sure ain't gonna stop them.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
She scarcely says a sincere word, don't worry about it. Crowley ouster was very deliberate and allowed, made possible, by the historical situation. You'd think a grassroots organizer organic candidate nobody wouldn't have a Netflix crew tailing her going back to 2018, no? Lol

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
Her best photo op that totally wasn't staged was the meanie face at joe manchin being a big meanie when they were doing sensible legislating together

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


StashAugustine posted:

while we're on the subject of met gala publicity stunts and the deep state

https://mobile.twitter.com/punchedmonet_/status/1437693983413596163

i looked this up the other day and this is actually FALSE! FOUR PINOCCHIOS!


it was her GREAT granddad

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

i looked this up the other day and this is actually FALSE! FOUR PINOCCHIOS!


it was her GREAT granddad

https://twitter.com/punchedmonet_/status/1437736594203561984

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't Tulsi Gabbard also just get back from doing a stint with AFRICOM to overthrow Guinea?

I don't think we know where she was specifically. Probably the Sahel.

Although someone with a Hindutva background provides interesting opportunities for AFRICOM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_diaspora_in_Southeast_Africa

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's known in the hip hop community, same as Drake being a pedophile is known. It's simply ignored. I'm less aware of the various pop-punk and emo-songwriter musicians who turned out to be pedos or who likely are pedos than people in hip-hop since I'm more into hip hop. I guess it's possible Nicki deliberately intended to the wag the pedo dog with this tail stunt but it would seriously only be news to people just really learning of her by way of the COVID heterodoxy in the first. Eh, so yes, possible, but people think in a clique-fashion so I have a hard time swallowing it - that is, Nicki probably assumes she is only ever addressing her own audience (who know about her husband, brother) with no expectation that anyone else is paying attention. Like you say, it took this controversy for you to even know of it - meaning it had the opposite of its intended effect if that was in fact its intent. No I don't buy it.

Can we talk about how the new Drake album cover is an Epstein style impregnation fantasy and idk why people are cool with it. Like, if we knew he had a bunch of kids with adult women it'd be something, but this is a man famous for talking to 13 year olds.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

Atrocious Joe posted:

Can we talk about how the new Drake album cover is an Epstein style impregnation fantasy and idk why people are cool with it. Like, if we knew he had a bunch of kids with adult women it'd be something, but this is a man famous for talking to 13 year olds.


reminded me of how good lil nas x's version of this is

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTNUEIIJeWx/

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Atrocious Joe posted:

I don't think we know where she was specifically. Probably the Sahel.

Although someone with a Hindutva background provides interesting opportunities for AFRICOM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_diaspora_in_Southeast_Africa

her tweet is pretty :thunk:

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1437728072715825152

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Atrocious Joe posted:

Can we talk about how the new Drake album cover is an Epstein style impregnation fantasy and idk why people are cool with it. Like, if we knew he had a bunch of kids with adult women it'd be something, but this is a man famous for talking to 13 year olds.


Designed by Damien Hirst lol

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:
AOC can't be CIA she did a funny dance and the chuds didn't like it :confused:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Horizon Burning posted:

AOC can't be CIA she did a funny dance and the chuds didn't like it :confused:

They've done an incredible job of boosting her profile, haven't they? Even Trump did. Some "no-name" representing a city district being mentioned in public speeches by the President... like, as a fiction it doesn't even rise to the level of good TV. People are really insanely bored without community, huh?

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I Miss Snausages
Mar 8, 2005
Volvorific!

StashAugustine posted:

while we're on the subject of met gala publicity stunts and the deep state

https://mobile.twitter.com/punchedmonet_/status/1437693983413596163

Why is it people like her and Helena Bonham Carter (all from conservative families) seem to become celebrities so easily in the UK, and very few people seem to notice or care. At least HBC is a decent actor. Also, Cara's mother and father are horrible TERFs, yet she never addresses those issues.

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