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Dead Goon posted:Pounds, pence and shillings sure, but then there are guineas and what the gently caress are they for? livestock
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Is there even a reason (beyond EU spite) to go back to imperial measurements after 30+ years on metric? Has there been some pent-up demand for it or system that desperately needs it?
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Sep 16, 2021 20:42
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Crankit posted:The spoons to cup ratios in that image seem all hosed up A cup is 240ml and a teaspoon is 5ml so it checks out. Unless you’re reading the 1s as 7s which I can see with that font
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Sep 16, 2021 20:45
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OwlFancier posted:Hogsheads and furlongs are one thing but nobody knows how loving shillings work. I'm not 60 yet and I remember shillings. I got a 10 shilling note (50p) from my great aunt for a birthday present, and was filled with awe. I'm not sure many people were ever acquainted with hogsheads, other than David Cameron obviously.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is there even a reason (beyond EU spite) to go back to imperial measurements after 30+ years on metric? Has there been some pent-up demand for it or system that desperately needs it? Tory voters are mostly old dickheads who are nostalgic for the days when they used nonsense measurements
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It is entirely spite. Like, I can use lbs and oz for stuff like cooking because it's round numbers and the scales do the conversion, same as feet for height or stone for weight (I also can't remember how many smaller units are in those) but like, if I am doing actual maths I would use metric. You can replace imperial measurements with handfuls and cubits and it would work just as well, it just has some decent "lump" units while metric can sometimes be either too big or too small. But I think the pure metric countries just use stuff like deciliters to get round that. So I guess it's that we have been socialized to use imperial as lump units and also they have decent names. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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Sep 16, 2021 20:47
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Twisto the thing you want is a Sony a6000, they are cheap and you can get adapters for nearly any SLR lens.
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my car gets forty rods to the hogshead
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kecske posted:my car gets forty rods to the hogshead rods to the hogshead is Boris's favourite hobby
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WhatEvil posted:Ehhhh I dunno. I'd still rather have an old DSLR vs a camera sensor. There's only so much you can make up for having a bigger sensor and proper optics. Up until late 2018 I was using a fixed-lens DSLR from 2003, which cost something like £200 at the time, with a ~4mp sensor and a 10x zoom lens, and still getting much better photos than my fancy 12MP smartphone camera. But megapixel count still seems to be the thing that people recognise in reviews and focus on. I used to have a Konica Minolta 5D, the colours it used to turn out were incredible, and it was supposedly only a 6mp sensor. Still makes me mad that Sony are sitting on the natural+ processing and seem to be doing nothing with it.
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Oh dear me posted:I'm not 60 yet and I remember shillings. I got a 10 shilling note (50p) from my great aunt for a birthday present, and was filled with awe. See this is the stuff that messed with my head as a kid. Changing the currency + inflation =  Like kids in old books would be keen to get a shilling, half a crown would be a generous aunt, and as you say 10 bob would be unimaginable riches. I think it was a Just William book that referenced "rollerskates that cost a WHOLE POUND!!". So naturally I assumed the pound had been changed or revalued somehow along with the other denominations. Nope, just inflation 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is there even a reason (beyond EU spite) to go back to imperial measurements after 30+ years on metric? Has there been some pent-up demand for it or system that desperately needs it? It is EU spite, but it’s also been something that old people/the tabloids have been complaining about since the early 90s. Also, this only allowing shops to use imperial measures, not enforcing it. I doubt many places will abandon metric since no one under 50 even understands that poo poo.
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Sep 16, 2021 20:56
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Time for that Pratchett quote again. Footnote from Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman: "NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system: Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and one Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."
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Sep 16, 2021 21:01
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Bobstar posted:See this is the stuff that messed with my head as a kid. Changing the currency + inflation = My first pay for being a Saturday girl in Peacocks was £3.29 for an 8 hour day. (75-77) I had done potato picking on farms during school hols (74/75) for a whole 20p a day. Parents just used to dump us at entrance to farm and come back 9 hours later to fetch us after picking approx 300lb of spuds each. (Goal was 6*50lb sacks per day to get paid).
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Sep 16, 2021 21:01
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The one thing most of the old dominions did right was giving loving off the penny and pound entirely when decimalizing, thus making the handful of people who want to undo it sound even more unhinged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTeWLA1LAs
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Sep 16, 2021 21:05
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Dead Goon posted:Pounds, pence and shillings sure, but then there are guineas and what the gently caress are they for?
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On the other hand, it's probably simpler to just let them have their inches and pints back than have them obstinately selling 30.48m lengths of wood and then smarming at you in B&Q.
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Sep 16, 2021 21:11
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Yeah sensor size means gently caress all most of the time - a DSLR from 10 years ago can still produce much more beautiful photos than a modern cameraphone can, no matter how good the iPhone's 'work out the outline and blur the background' filter gets, or how many extra lenses they add. Sensor size is massively important for any serious photography but sensor size and pixel count are not the same thing. Megapixels are relatively useless as a measure of sensor quality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yE-wA24xJ8 Decimalisation video. No loving way will Boris change the money, changing everything back to bushrods and wanklesprockets will cost and Tories won't do that. He's already devaluing it as much as he can, don't need to change it when zero = zero however you measure it.
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Dead Goon posted:Pounds, pence and shillings sure, but then there are guineas and what the gently caress are they for? The pound (£) was made up of 20 shillings and represented a fixed and real weight of silver - literally a pound of silver was divided into 240 parts. Each part was the weight of a penny, and twelve pennies was a shilling. The guinea came along several centuries later and was a gold coin weighing a quarter of an ounce. It was introduced to restore a 'real' value to the pound (£) since a pound (lb) of silver was no longer deemed worth 20 shillings. So the new golden guinea was worth £1 (or 20 shillings). But this immediately ran into problems as the values of gold and silver diverged and went up and down at different rates, meaning that the guinea was worth a varying number of shillings. Finally, in the 1800s, the value of the guinea was fixed...but at the time the value of the guinea in silver was 21 shillings. So 20 shillings made up £1 and the guinea was worth one shilling more. Being Britain, there was of course a class element to all of this. Expensive stuff was sold in guineas, moderately expensive stuff was sold in pounds and everyday stuff was sold in shillings and pence. So the aristocracy paid for land, furniture, horses, livestock and medical bills in guineas. The middle classes received their salaries, paid their mortgages, settled their tradesmens' bills and made their investments in pounds and the working class received their weekly wage, paid their rent and bought their food in shillings.
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Guavanaut posted:The one thing most of the old dominions did right was giving loving off the penny and pound entirely when decimalizing, thus making the handful of people who want to undo it sound even more unhinged. Lmao that old timey aussie TV is just english people.
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CancerCakes posted:Twisto the thing you want is a Sony a6000, they are cheap and you can get adapters for nearly any SLR lens. It (along with most modern DSLRs) doesn't have a diaphragm actuator[1] so it would make most of my lenses unusable other than for extremely narrow purposes (narrow DoF that is, little camera humour for you there), even though I'm happy with manual focus and zoom. I suppose it's not quite as bad for video but I'd assume stopping right down would completely baffle the auto exposure. Some (really loving expensive) adaptors for K-mount to non-diaphragm bodies pull power from the AF connectors and use a little solenoid to kick the diaphragm, but there doesn't seem to be one available for this one (and just eyeballing the adaptors that are available I guess they're going to be cropping which is another pain in the arse but that's only a small annoyance). (Also until they go back to making cameras out of steel and leather - real steel and leather, not just plastic painted to look like it - I'm going to stick with my stone-aged poo poo, ta) [1] All interchangeable lenses (apart from really silly specialist stuff) have an iris at the back of the lens to restrict the amount of light coming through. Apart from in certain circumstances (e.g. wanting to intentionally motion-blur a scene) this isn't used as much for actually darkening the scene but for controlling the depth of field. The more you close the iris, the wider the depth of field (so the more things will be in focus either side of the thing you're actually focusing on) - this is a really important thing to control. However because you want the maximum possible amount of light coming into the viewfinder when you're composing (and also the narrowest possible DoF when focusing) the iris is normally open, and is only closed when you actually take the shot (or on older cameras when you're setting the exposure). On old cameras this is done by a little pin that sticks out of the back of the diaphragm that closes the iris to the selected amount, which is in turn kicked by a little pin (or a paddle on screw-type lenses) inside the camera body. Without some way of actuating the diaphragm you have to either cope with the iris being WFO all the time, which is a massive pain in the arse for anything apart from portraiture (and even then that hyper-narrow DoF is a really over-used effect that I've always hated) or try to cope with a too-dark viewfinder when you're trying to focus.
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Saros posted:Sensor size is massively important for any serious photography but sensor size and pixel count are not the same thing. Megapixels are relatively useless as a measure of sensor quality. A 6mp DSLR will probably still produce much better photos than a 20mp phone, and that's not taking into account things like ISO sensitivity.
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serious gaylord posted:What the gently caress is the pounds and ounces thing for? Even my grandma in her 80's uses kg. Culture war bay bay, but only over the most stupid and meaningless poo poo. Next up? Bring back Farenheit
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BalloonFish posted:The pound (£) was made up of 20 shillings and represented a fixed and real weight of silver - literally a pound of silver was divided into 240 parts. Each part was the weight of a penny, and twelve pennies was a shilling. Thank you 
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OwlFancier posted:Lmao that old timey aussie TV is just english people.
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OwlFancier posted:So I guess it's that we have been socialized to use imperial as lump units and also they have decent names. Well I mean they are just called "decis" and "decas" where I'm from (as in 2 deci, 10 deca, etc.), for volume and weight respectively, so it's not too bad. Also there's metric cups and spoons and whatnot, but I don't know how much they are (I think 200 or 250ml for a cup, 15ml for a spoon? something like that)
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A metric cup is 250ml, which is sometimes useful for cooking being neither too large like a litre nor too small like a ml, but the UK tended to ignore cups entirely until fairly recently, and any measuring thing that's not an antique will usually have fl oz, ml, and fractions of a pint rather than actually being a set of measuring cups/spoons.
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Fahrenheit actually is quite a good system imo. I had it explained to me by an American once that 100 is hot, 0 is really cold. That seems to make sense to me. That said I like centigrade because a few degrees is actually significant. I just treated myself to an EOS850D. I now need to learn to take actually good photos. It’s quite nifty though, and the touch screen isn’t a massive pain in the arse like on a GoPro. I’d forgotten how satisfying the little clicky noise cameras make is.
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If you ever wonder how all this poo poo relates to each other, GNU Units has a large definition file that lists lots of utterly obscure units along with comments. It's pretty well researched and the units equivalent of the insane tzdata file that powers something like 80% (wild guess) of all date conversions. Here's the section on fluid volumes on a (woefully outdated) mirror, that I am linking only because linking directly to lines in that file is hard otherwise: https://github.com/ryantenney/gnu-units/blob/e7ded0943323b0bea083190d2676eed5277fe90d/units.dat#L1745 It has some utterly insane poo poo like: drybarrel 7056 in^3 # Used in US for fruits, vegetables, # and other dry commodities except for # cranberries. Or different length measurements: UKlength_B 0.9143992 meter / yard # Benoit found the yard to be # 0.9143992 m at a weights and # measures conference around # 1896. Legally sanctioned # in 1898. UKlength_SJJ 0.91439841 meter / yard # In 1922, Seers, Jolly and # Johnson found the yard to be # 0.91439841 meters. # Used starting in the 1930's. UKlength_K meter / 39.37079 inch # In 1816 Kater found this ratio # for the meter and inch. This # value was used as the legal # conversion ratio when the # metric system was legalized # for contract in 1864. UKlength_C meter / 1.09362311 yard # In 1866 Clarke found the meter # to be 1.09362311 yards. This # conversion was legalized # around 1878. Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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Jakabite posted:Fahrenheit actually is quite a good system imo. I had it explained to me by an American once that 100 is hot, 0 is really cold. That seems to make sense to me. That said I like centigrade because a few degrees is actually significant.
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keep punching joe posted:AAAaaahhh does anyone under 50 understand these stupid measuring systems? His maths is wrong 25p a lb is not 55p a kilo Edit: oh I see they want to make it legal to sell kilos at a higher price because hateful gammons learnincurve fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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Antigravitas posted:If you ever wonder how all this poo poo relates to each other, GNU Units has a large definition file that lists lots of utterly obscure units along with comments. It's pretty well researched and the units equivalent of the insane tzdata file that powers something like 80% (wild guess) of all date conversions. Does this not suggest that you can simply keep legally converting between yards and meters using the legal conversion method until you have legally infinite of anything? Which proves that I could not have been breaking the speed limit officer so you have to let me go now.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Originally, 100 was human body temperature (bit of an oops) and 0 was as cold as Mr. Fahrenheit could get by salting ice water. This is nice. I think Fahrenheit for outdoor temperature, centigrade for cooking and the like, and Kelvin for anything scientific or technical makes sense. They’re such different contexts I think it’s okay to have multiple systems.
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Jakabite posted:Fahrenheit actually is quite a good system imo. I had it explained to me by an American once that 100 is hot, 0 is really cold. That seems to make sense to me. That said I like centigrade because a few degrees is actually significant. But Fahrenheit is as Continental as it gets, and makes more sense for Northern Europe than it does for the US, going from 'about as cold as it ever gets in Copenhagen' to 'about as hot as it ever gets in Copenhagen' which also mostly works for Britain, whereas the US is like -40 (both F and C) up to like 120+ (F but maybe C in the near future). Doesn't help that Radio 1 spent decades drilling the perfect mnemonic for body temperature into our heads for decades either. 
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OwlFancier posted:Does this not suggest that you can simply keep legally converting between yards and meters using the legal conversion method until you have legally infinite of anything? Which proves that I could not have been breaking the speed limit officer so you have to let me go now. Pretty much. It also suggests that it was complete chaos before some people standardised things in a sane way. Seriously, read the comments in that document, there's just so much insane poo poo. I recommend the section on abrasive grit size. But every time there's a large comment block it's guaranteed to be incredibly hosed up.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/alistaircoleman/status/1438556908827381760 We passed someone in a c5 out on the bikes tonight, I did think it was a bit random at the time but makes sense now. 
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Jakabite posted:I just treated myself to an EOS850D. I now need to learn to take actually good photos. It’s quite nifty though, and the touch screen isn’t a massive pain in the arse like on a GoPro. I’d forgotten how satisfying the little clicky noise cameras make is. https://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-webcam-utility/
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It (along with most modern DSLRs) doesn't have a diaphragm actuator[1] so it would make most of my lenses unusable other than for extremely narrow purposes (narrow DoF that is, little camera humour for you there), even though I'm happy with manual focus and zoom. I suppose it's not quite as bad for video but I'd assume stopping right down would completely baffle the auto exposure. Fair enough, I'm happy with manual focus and zoom so it works for me, and I just take pictures of friends and family for fun so if I miss focus its no biggy. APS sensors are seriously good, and you can also use fringing settings and quick point zoom for focussing, so you can get near as dammit pretty easily. Re the diaphragm actuator I think there is probably a setting to digitally brighten the scene (blow the iso up) when not taking the picture and then move it down to what you set on firing the (non-existant) shutter. I highly recommend having a body you can use with your lenses - I get a lot more joy from mine now on the a6000 than I did when they were sitting in an old camera bag next to my canon a1 collecting dust.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:850D is supported by the webcam utility, apparently: Awesome, I’m doing all my communicating with friends and family via video right now so that’s super handy
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