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ToxicAcne posted:What's the rundown for why Canadian public transportation is such a low priority? Suburbanization is probably the biggest factor but the contempt shown towards it seems to be motivated by more factors. one thing that gets lost in history is that oil companies massively subsidized diesel buses for municipalities back in the 70s so it was seen as an easy and cheap alternative to rail trolleys and trolleybuses. i assume this has hosed with our preceptions of public transit in some ways. the other thing is despite the majority of canadians living in fairly dense cities and most of those cities being packed along our southern border, everyone loves loving cars(loving for emphasis not like actually loving cars) and as a result no one supports public transit because all the money we would spend on it is diverted to ROADs and POLICE
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ToxicAcne posted:What's the rundown for why Canadian public transportation is such a low priority? Suburbanization is probably the biggest factor but the contempt shown towards it seems to be motivated by more factors. Car manufacturer's were (and sort of still are) an economic stimulus for the Canadian populace.
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Slotducks posted:Car manufacturer's were (and sort of still are) an economic stimulus for the Canadian populace. absolutely still are for ontarians. my work comes in contact with the auto industry frequently enough to know that they employ a ton of people and bring in huge revenue. just looked it up and it's ~125k directly employed by automakers and another ~400k by secondary automotive support industries. that's a significant portion of ontarios entire workforce. car makers still wield huge influence because of the manufacturing and support of them done here
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the core reason that Vancouver has the SkyTrain is because we lucked into hosting the 1986 World Exposition on Transportation and Communication and hot diggity what better way to be the host city for a transportation expo than to build a state of the art automated rapid transit system. it happened to be so successful that we kept extending it afterwards. to this day the extended version of the original line is called the Expo Line.
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Everything is so goddamn far from everything else and train service between population centres is a joke (busing is also nonexistent at this point), all but necessitating private car ownership
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Sep 16, 2021 20:19
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a few years ago we finally started having the good sense to have bus bridges between skytrain stations and population centres not serviced directly by the system. cut down commute times significantly because instead of needing to take two meandering bus routes through three different cities to get to the nearest train you get on an express bus at your nearest bus loop and chill out for 20 minutes. assuming you don't live in like fuckin mission or some poo poo in which case godspeed you! west coast express emperor
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-for-brampton-voters-campaign-pledges-to-boost-immigration-raise-hard/ Decent article by the globe and mail that outlines the FYGM attitude in Brampton amongst South Asian voters. The article is paywalled but you can disable javascript to get by it.
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metrolinx/go are very slowly expanding service and implementing improved commuter rail service in the GTHA. the individual municipalities have much better service today than they did 20 years ago, but it tends to be pretty thin on the ground outside of toronto and peel. if you live outside of the GTHA you can get hosed i guess, but within it, it's entirely possible to get around without a car, if less convenient outside of the city cores.
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ToxicAcne posted:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-for-brampton-voters-campaign-pledges-to-boost-immigration-raise-hard/ growing up in brampton and hearing some of my friends' parents talk about immigrants (they themselves being first generation immigrants) was always kinda wild. like, the second gen euro immigrants were pretty racist towards the new south asian ones, but holy poo poo were the south asian ones ever bigoted towards each other
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It's lovely but I think at least some of it can be explained by class. Most of those who came after PET were upper middle class professionals whod gone to English private schools etc back home. Those who've come more recently (90s onwards) are still middle class but not as rich as those who came before, and so established immigrants view them as provincial hick trash. At least in South Asia, the rich are just as far removed from the bottom 90% as you and I are, so take their claims of representation with a massive grain of salt. Edit: Jagmeet's family is the perfect example of the former kind of immigrant, not to downplay his own problems growing up.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:absolutely still are for ontarians. my work comes in contact with the auto industry frequently enough to know that they employ a ton of people and bring in huge revenue. just looked it up and it's ~125k directly employed by automakers and another ~400k by secondary automotive support industries. that's a significant portion of ontarios entire workforce. car makers still wield huge influence because of the manufacturing and support of them done here also, the rich hate anything that they can't monopolize on principle
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it's sort of a miracle (or an incredibly  city council in the 60s and 70s) that toronto still has its streetcar system considering the rest of north america
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Comirnaty sounds like an obscure soviet era intelligence agency.
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Dreylad posted:it's sort of a miracle (or an incredibly I've heard that the pre-amalgamation version of city council and the metro Toronto government were much more effective. Is this true? On a tangential note, what were Jack Layton's contributions to city council? I've heard alot about this too but I don't know much beyond advocating for AIDS victims and the LGBT community. I don't mean to restart the debate about my objections about him, just curious about how he made his name in the early days.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Comirnaty sounds like an obscure soviet era intelligence agency. It's just what they did PR for Katorga-12 under.
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ToxicAcne posted:I've heard that the pre-amalgamation version of city council and the metro Toronto government were much more effective. Is this true? That is absolutely true.
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Sep 16, 2021 22:18
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it was way better when the etobicoke nutjobs stayed in etobicoke
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Sep 16, 2021 22:20
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 the red parts used to be Toronto and the blue parts used to be other cities that elected their own city councils and mayors, and it seems like both the red and the blue parts were happier that way
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ToxicAcne posted:I've heard that the pre-amalgamation version of city council and the metro Toronto government were much more effective. Is this true? I'd say so but also there was much more willingness to engage in large public transportation projects in the 60s and 70s in general. But amalgamation was part of the privatization and downloading costs on to local government that were part and parcel of neoliberalism, so it's hard to point to one single change to municipal government as the reason why toronto increasingly sucks rear end
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wow thank u mr president https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1438541175607242766
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Sep 16, 2021 22:34
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I swear he made that same tweet on the last election
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Sep 16, 2021 22:48
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he did
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i don't think masai ujiri has endorsed JT yet, that'll be important for toronto
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It wasn't as similar as I thought: https://mobile.twitter.com/barackobama/status/1184528998669389824?lang=en
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barfsack obungler should mind his own drat business!!!
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Biden would have just called Trudeau "that fella up north"
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castro pop
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vyelkin posted:
mike harris however, was not
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Wasn't amalgamation basically a dog thrown to the boonie's who think that Toronto is stealing all their tax dollars?
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ToxicAcne posted:Wasn't amalgamation basically a dog thrown to the boonie's who think that Toronto is stealing all their tax dollars? It was just an easy way for Harris and other provincial gov ghouls to line their pockets, given that it was pushed through after bigly failing a referendum and hasn't reduced spending for any of the surrounding areas
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How'd they line their pockets?
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ToxicAcne posted:Wasn't amalgamation basically a dog thrown to the boonie's who think that Toronto is stealing all their tax dollars? it was pitched as a cost saving, amalgamating the various governments in the metro area into a single municipality. somehow those savings never materialized. otherwise, it was designed to do exactly what it did, disenfranchise the relatively progressive toronto core by expanding the city council to include the much more conservative boroughs. since then the city has had three conservative mayors and has pushed austerity budgets and service cuts consistently. the city core, which spent money on infrastructure for ages is now framed as hogging all the infrastructure money while the former suburbs languish. ignoring of course the century where they were their own municipalities and just prioritized low taxes over infrastructure. this is consistently used as a wedge by otherwise room temperature iq councilors like the brothers ford, denzil minnan wong, and everyone who's ever been elected in any part of etobicoke, to back terrible white elephant projects that will never be built. it comes at the expense of sorely needed infrastructure expansion in the old city, or to shut down proposed improvements in the core. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 00:28 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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And of course the liberals did nothing to undo this.... Here in Mississauga good old Hazel continued developing it like a suburb even after the population surpassed many major US cities. I loving hate the suburban voter.
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Montreal's amalgamation looks like a success by comparison (it was not a success)
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ToxicAcne posted:And of course the liberals did nothing to undo this.... She's still alive?!
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ToxicAcne posted:And of course the liberals did nothing to undo this.... naturally. and then premier doug ford unilaterally and without consultation halved our city council, in the middle of an election*. no one will ever fight the battles needed to fix these things, so we will just keep hobbling along *additional ridings had been added downtown to address the population changes there and it was expected that this would shift the balance on council towards the progressives, so naturally we couldn't have that. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 00:43 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Seatbelts posted:The buses here run so fuckin' slow cause this town's city planning is a hot pile of garbage with "brilliant" additions tagged on and they have to navigate around world class lovely 60+ drivers going god knows where in a pandemic. "city planning" and "Victoria" are two concepts that don't mix well in my mind. Hillside is the result of the city dragging its garbage out to the end of the road and dumping it into a swamp until they could extend the road. Literally. Dreylad posted:it's sort of a miracle (or an incredibly Surprising that Vancouver kept its electric buses too during that same period. They did ditch the interurban trolleys - only a few tracks here and there now. vyelkin posted:SPIKEVAX is the VACCINE FOR MEN. Let the women get that BULLSHIT COMIRNATY, save Vaxzevria for CHILDREN AND LITTLE CRYING BABIES, real men INJECT SPIKEVAX STRAIGHT INTO THEIR BLOODSTREAMS. Are you man enough to take on SPIKEVAX??? *sick guitar riff* Is there a shop in Vancouver catering to bears, because I want something in leather and spikes when I go in for my booster.
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angerbeet posted:She's still alive?! yes. she's 100 now ToxicAcne posted:Here in Mississauga good old Hazel continued developing it like a suburb even after the population surpassed many major US cities. I loving hate the suburban voter. hazel ran mississauga like her own personal fiefdom for 36 years because it turns out everyone who votes in mississauga just wanted a queen infernal machines has issued a correction as of 00:48 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Pamela Springstein posted:Montreal's amalgamation looks like a success by comparison (it was not a success) They partially de-amalgamated though, right?
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