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They're going to sit down, take a deep breathe, and realize they need to get more racist.
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Sep 17, 2021 04:03
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It's the only logical response, really
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Sep 17, 2021 04:05
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Just lol at the idea of PPC voters doing strategic voting. loving lol
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Sep 17, 2021 04:50
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"For the greater good," is like literally the exact opposite of their party platform hahaha My Alberta rec hockey league just announced proof of vaccine requirements to play next week and there are already "need fully vaxxed goalie sub" posts on the league free agency board and it's been a pretty funny night all around.
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https://twitter.com/cspotweet/status/1438300517978017793?s=21 Best. Summer. Ever.
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/cspotweet/status/1438300517978017793?s=21 BC has already said they can't take patients at the moment, neither can Saskatchewan and possibly not Manitoba either. Ontario is apparently taking some and possibly Quebec and the maritimes. https://twitter.com/jasonkenney/status/1438531580159578112 Poor guy.
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Sep 17, 2021 05:54
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Drunk Canuck posted:They're going to sit down, take a deep breathe, and realize they need to get more racist. Seriously, when the PPC gets folded back into the CPC in exchange for this, the Sun is going to run a front page with 'We've Always Liked Maxime Bernier" on the front.
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Sep 17, 2021 06:39
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Welp - the LPC candidate I mail in voted for just got put on pause by the party for a former sexual assault charge (that ended up being dropped). What's the personality type that draws so many damaged individuals to public office?
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Sep 17, 2021 06:39
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Narcissistic personality disorder
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Sep 17, 2021 06:47
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Ego-bot posted:Seriously, when the PPC gets folded back into the CPC in exchange for this, the Sun is going to run a front page with 'We've Always Liked Maxime Bernier" on the front. Max will bum rush the next CPC leadership and take his supporters with him
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Sep 17, 2021 06:51
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infernal machines posted:No, seriously, lmao. Everyone should be uncomfortable with the PPC numbers IMO.
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Sep 17, 2021 07:33
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Bleusilences posted:Everyone should be uncomfortable with the PPC numbers IMO. For real. Don't make the mistake Americans did; bully the gently caress out of every single PPC voter you know. Be cruel. Do it in public. It's not to convert them, it's to make everyone else see what a loving loser they are for liking that party.
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Sep 17, 2021 07:41
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Holy gently caress, Trudeau's expression in this, with the hands, this is AMAZING.
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Sep 17, 2021 12:22
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Bleusilences posted:Everyone should be uncomfortable with the PPC numbers IMO. While I'm uncomfortable with their numbers, it's really just the Cons who are willing to let the mask slip. If they cause the CPC lose enough seats to the NDP and the Liberals, I'll take the short-term win along with knowing who among my associates were actually racists all along.
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Sep 17, 2021 12:44
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I dunno if this is really any different than the years we had the reform party. They were loving nuts too. Canada has a long proud history of fringe parties
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Sep 17, 2021 13:00
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Randalor posted:While I'm uncomfortable with their numbers, it's really just the Cons who are willing to let the mask slip. If they cause the CPC lose enough seats to the NDP and the Liberals, I'll take the short-term win along with knowing who among my associates were actually racists all along. That's what makes me legit angry; I have a friend that is voted for him, and I don't know how to feel about it except anger. I feel he gets fool way too easily by "libertarian" type that are just fascist.
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linoleum floors posted:I dunno if this is really any different than the years we had the reform party. They were loving nuts too. Hell three of them ended up being the official opposition in the last 30 years
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Bleusilences posted:That's what makes me legit angry; I have a friend that is voted for him, and I don't know how to feel about it except anger. My way of trying to convince them that, no, seriously, they're trying to make racism legal again is to show them the bullet points from this page. How dare you be intolerant of our intolerance posted:A People’s Party government will:
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At my core, I 'understand' the triage process that puts covid patients ahead of people that need surgery for cancer but in my heart all I can muster is some real "gently caress that poo poo" thoughts. I don't actually know how the process came to be from a medical ethicist point of view, I imagine it's a difficult decision. But I'm sure the gut feeling that I have is shared with a lot of other people, that unvaccinated covid patients should be at the end of the line. They should be put in tents in the parking lot before a single person has a life-saving surgery delayed or cancelled. These guys say it's not ethical to decline treatment https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/ethics/can-physicians-decline-unvaccinated-patients And I get it, should we be denying liver transplants to alcoholics when it means a non-alcoholic has to wait longer for theirs? Same for smokers and lung transplants? It's just immensely frustrating in this particular situation because it's such a visible crisis of capacity as opposed to the long organ waitlists that everyone is used to by now.
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Is denying organ transplants to unsuitable candidates more about managing a scarce resource, or just that, given enough issues, the risks of the transplant outweigh the benefits of it if the new liver is going to be trashed in a couple of years anyway? I know that even for living donors (where the organ in question is likely not going to go to anyone else) both donors and recipients can be denied if the donor has any issues with the organ or poor health in general, or the recipient has a poor enough prognosis that transplant surgery is a significant risk. I definitely sympathize with the feeling that unvaccinated people shouldn't be able to clog up ICUs, but I can see how it's a really difficult decision when a critical but non-emergency surgery has to be delayed for someone who is at imminent risk of dying if not treated. Going strictly by "what keeps the most people alive" and that one isolated case, it makes sense to delay the non-emergency surgery. The problem is, once that starts happening all the time, "delay" turns into "deny" essentially - by the time you work through your multi-year backlog caused by the urgent COVID cases, a significant chunk of the waiting list has died. enki42 fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Sep 17, 2021 14:23
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Don't make the mistake Americans did; bully the gently caress out of every single PPC voter you know. Be cruel. Do it in public. It's not to convert them, it's to make everyone else see what a loving loser they are for liking that party. I've been sucked into facebook arguments with people in my riding, and lo and behold most of the anti-vax / anti-passport folks turned out to have a PPC cover photo. Not exactly a representative sample, but I was shocked at how many people are voting PPC here.
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Don't argue, bully. Embarrass. Humiliate. Get other people to join in. Their friends are cowards and people on the fence will see that and go "gently caress, I don't want to be a pariah, I just want to be lovely and left alone"
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Sep 17, 2021 15:07
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Does this technically qualify as political persecution?
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infernal machines posted:Does this technically qualify as political persecution? Only if the violence they espouse could also be treated that way. Otherwise you're electing to do nothing when these fuckos brought you 2021 Texas. There's a time and a place for civility and it isn't when literal fash are trying to launder their bullshit in popular politics.
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infernal machines posted:Does this technically qualify as political persecution? Shouldnt... they deserve it because they are assholes, the fact that they tend to be in a particular party is just correlated to the same base assholeishness
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I mean Chrystia Freeland's grandfather technically fled Europe due to political persecution, so don't get it twisted, this isn't a value judgment here.
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Sep 17, 2021 15:46
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infernal machines posted:Does this technically qualify as political persecution? Punch fascists every loving day of your life.
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infernal machines posted:No, seriously, lmao. tbf the entire political sphere is just kinda hoping that if they keep pretending that the ppc don't exist they'll just go away GonadTheBallbarian posted:For real. This is the actual solution, however. Fash get a foot in the door by being seen as "legitimate" and they're going to keep snowballing as the ostensibly Serious Governance parties continue to be bumbling fuckups who only act to preserve the status quo. The only thing fash even remotely respect is violence, whether that be bullying or someone getting fed-up and straight-up clocking a nazi
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Bleusilences posted:Everyone should be uncomfortable with the PPC numbers IMO. I get the impression that the PPC numbers this time is due to vaxx bringing out single issue voters very few people care about being anti-gender pronouns or whatever american-style cultural war issue they are trying to import covid will not be a major issue in another 2 years, interest in them will drop accordingly I could just be wrong though lol, maybe in another 2 years Leader Bernier will be marching on Ottowa or wahtever Typo fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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/\/\ ahhh yes, the "2016 economically anxious American" of 2021. Yes they're definitely single issue voters and not garbage people with poo poo for brains. Did anyone else see the PPC AMA a ways back? That's a good example of some of the bullying required. good times.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Don't argue, bully. Embarrass. Humiliate. Get other people to join in. Or, they’ll double down and our society will polarize the way the Americans’ did. They can retreat into their own isolated media ecosystems and then you lose them forever. I don’t think attempting to jettison your political enemies is a wise solution and it just feeds narratives that liberals/the left are the ones who are actually out to take your freedoms away by stifling debate etc. Fundamentally I believe that we should always give the right an escape hatch or an option to turn back from their politics and part of that comes from outreach and trying to build a common base of knowledge rather than forcing people into a corner and then watching them gradually grow in numbers and spiteful behaviour. I’ve seen no evidence that taking an aggressive approach to these kinds of people works. It just forces them to seek out like minded people and they become closed off to anything you have to say. Then the spite starts and they work harder to obstruct progress in this country even if said progress benefits them. I don’t like these people either but there’s lots of closet PPC voters who will quietly make their votes and you’ll never know it was them. That’s the scary part. We’re tearing society apart with this “them and us” attitude. My belief is that Canada’s political elite is doing nothing about some very serious problems in society and people are venting their frustrations out via cultural grievances which are fueled by social media propaganda. In many ways I feel that this is a rerun of what conservatives did in reaction to the revolutions of 1848 in Europe. When the 1848 revolutions failed, conservatives like Bismarck smartly realized they could ride the waves of nationalism and patriotism that came from the revolutions and integrate them into the existing monarchic systems that persisted since the Congress of Vienna. This compromise is the direct root cause of WW1. There were two questions being asked in 1848. How should we organize ourselves as political entities? And what should we do about the social/economic order? To the first they adapted the nationalism as a safety valve to stifle democratic governments and to the latter they left the question unanswered or preserved the status quo. WW1 was a direct result of this. People concentrated their political, social and economic grievances into nationalistic and patriotic appeals from the failed 1848 revolutions and only when the wars destroyed all the wealth in Europe did we really start thinking maybe we need to change the social order too. Now the pendulum has swung right back where we started. Now instead of nationalism and racial purity appeals we have a Balkanized society along socially constructed tribal lines which integrate variations of the previous concepts. The next war in my opinion will be a series of global civil wars and revolutions that will mirror the appearance of the revolutions of 1848 but instead of being socialist and liberal-democratic in nature they’ll be counter revolutions to bring back monarchy, authoritarianism and tribal superstition. Instead of unifying around large liberal/democratic national identities as they exist today, they’ll break up into tribal enclaves and regionalist grievances. All because our ruling liberals alienated absolutely every political interest group. Just like the French second republic… just like the Frankfurt parliament. History is rhyming off another sick album and this one might spell out the end of our organized civilization. Like the groups that hold all the power in Canada are pissing off the left and the right simultaneously. There’s only so many rich upper class professionals that can vote for your party before it runs out of people.
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That's a lot of words for missing the entire point. It's not about them, it's about the people watching. The idea is to take away their audience by making it incredibly clear they are dangerous morons and listening to them gets met with your friends and family hating you. That's the message you want to communicate to fence sitters: "these people get tightly bullied because they are that far gone. Don't follow" GonadTheBallbarian fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:/\/\ ahhh yes, the "2016 economically anxious American" of 2021. Yes they're definitely single issue voters and not garbage people with poo poo for brains. They could be both.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:That's a lot of words for missing the entire point. It's not about them, it's about the people watching. That works so long as the people watching are sympathetic. There's a mushy middle ground who, while not out and out racist, is only going to hear about the "no more lockdowns" rhetoric, view your actions as an overreach, and be pulled into sympathizing with the PPC side. It's the whole pearl clutching "I don't agree with what the PPC says but those leftists go too far" type who absolutely make up a significant chunk of "the middle" and while they're for sure wrong in thinking things like that, they're not unrepentant racists and you write them off you're writing a good chunk of Canada off. I think mocking anti-lockdown and anti-vaxx protestors is probably well on the side of "acceptable mockery" to most Canadians. Throwing a punch isn't. I wouldn't necessarily criticize anyone who does, but I think in terms of what that practically achieves it's somewhere between neutral to negative.
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"I don't agree with the nazis but the Russians have gone too far" - other nazis
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flakeloaf posted:"I don't agree with the nazis but the Russians have gone too far" Yes but many of those “other nazis” are just people who are easy to indoctrinate by media narratives. It pays big money to publish controversial views to compete with social media and other less reliable news sources that often monopolize people’s attention. The more extreme or crazy your posting, the more clicks and profit you get. Globally, responsible journalism has abdicated their duty to inform the public in an impartial way in favour of pure profit and click generation. Even if editorial boards aren’t compromised by capital (most are), they’re still fighting for their lives because traditional long form journalism is dead. So there’s a lot of financial gain to platforming political extremists. The news today relies on making people miserable, dividing folks into groups and inciting flame wars in comments sections. They do it to us too and the only reason we aren’t killing each-other right now is because we have an active moderation team to keep us under control.
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flakeloaf posted:"I don't agree with the nazis but the Russians have gone too far" it's less that they're nazis and more that they have blinders on to anything that shows canada as anything other than a fairly banal, uncontroversial place where there's a vague sense of multiculturalism and diversity. The "too far" is more about any sort of extreme reaction or violence, they don't go so far as to think about the reasons that those people are being extreme or violent. It's like those WASPy parents who will actively work to avoid controversy, arguments and emotions at all costs magnified to a national level.
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enki42 posted:That works so long as the people watching are sympathetic. There's a mushy middle ground who, while not out and out racist, is only going to hear about the "no more lockdowns" rhetoric, view your actions as an overreach, and be pulled into sympathizing with the PPC side. Then you are doomed to rewatch them take power in a place that impacts you. I've lived through this multiple times now. Stop making excuses and looking for the easy way out-that's what I'm giving you now. The longer you wait to smash up the appeal of these turds to a wider audience the harder it gets to turn back the clock.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Then you are doomed to rewatch them take power in a place that impacts you. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying that you need to be thoughtful on the best way to "smash up the appeal of these turds", and maximum violence all the time is not an effective strategy.
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