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Wheany posted:well as long as you tell this to the candidates beforehand I'd hope that would be obvious, but yeah, you're probably right
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DrPossum posted:Interview code challenges, whiteboard, pairing, being observed, or otherwise are loving awful. I was toying with the idea of inverting it: this will never take off because the point of interviews is to make the interviewers feel like they're smart boys
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qsvui posted:this will never take off because the point of interviews is to make the interviewers feel like they're smart boys and to make hr seem like a department worth keeping
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hr is really the most useless of departments
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Sep 19, 2021 22:54
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:hr is really the most useless of departments imo good hr is like good chair - if it's actually good, you won't have any comments to make, or really ever notice them. that's kind of the point. legitimately bad hr, otoh, is actually going to feel worse than p much any other part of the company being bad
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Sep 19, 2021 23:12
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management is work cops, hr is work cop union
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Sep 19, 2021 23:24
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cinci zoo sniper posted:imo good hr is like good chair - if it's actually good, you won't have any comments to make, or really ever notice them. that's kind of the point. legitimately bad hr, otoh, is actually going to feel worse than p much any other part of the company being bad a bad chair is also the most miserable thing ever so pretty good analogy
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Plorkyeran posted:stop being a whiny baby and just learn how to use git if you’re a developer and have to use it for your job. quote:it has a stupid rear end ui but there are much more complicated and worse things that you interact with on a daily basis
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if you don’t have to deal with any new age build systems on a daily basis you’ve got a pretty sick programming gig imo
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i am loving sick of kubernetes bullshit. we had a build system where prs would get deployed to dev and anything merged to master would immediately be pushed to stage but thanks to our "transition" to kubernetes everything is manual and takes a ton of work copying and pasting build tags to get it to deploy. also our build system is 300,000 lines of code while all our business logic is less than 100,000. trust me i'm working on getting a new job my last job had full ci/cd all the way to prod worldwide and when i tell team members this they think i'm lying
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raminasi posted:fun git fact i learned the hard way: the reflog doesn't store "commits" that only ever lived in the stash, but there apparently is a double-secret reflog-like thing that does that you can only get at using "plumbing" commands i would like to know more. loving up stashes is something i have done that's resulted in me losing work
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Sep 20, 2021 03:04
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A code challenge that isn't overly complex but gives the interviewee a lot of opportunity to showcase their skills is ideal - they also should never be observed and time limit should be relaxed It's pretty easy to game a quick code challenge but it's much harder to hide your style and deficiencies in a larger, untimed challenge
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Sep 20, 2021 04:07
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Joe Chip posted:i am loving sick of kubernetes bullshit. we had a build system where prs would get deployed to dev and anything merged to master would immediately be pushed to stage but thanks to our "transition" to kubernetes everything is manual and takes a ton of work copying and pasting build tags to get it to deploy. also our build system is 300,000 lines of code while all our business logic is less than 100,000. trust me i'm working on getting a new job we have that too, i just checked and our .gitlab-ci.template.yml file is 346 lines including whitespace and comments lol that includes building a test database and publishing an updated html representation of the db schema
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NihilCredo posted:we have that too, i just checked and our .gitlab-ci.template.yml file is 346 lines including whitespace and comments lol our respective equivalent is ~1500 lines for building a db snapshot with sensitive information censored, deploying full-scale clone of our production environment with your changes, and running some special snowflake integration tests and synthetic workloads in addition to the expected boilerplate engineering
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redleader posted:i would like to know more. loving up stashes is something i have done that's resulted in me losing work or to make a shell nightmare with some help from stack overflow: git log --no-walk=sorted --format='%H' --min-parents=3 --reverse $(git fsck | awk '/dangling commit/ { print $3}') | while read hash; do git log -1 --pretty=reference $hash; git stash show $hash; echo; done Dylan16807 fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 11:41
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turns out release crunch is not just a thing in the games industry, but even in embedded if the release is big enough that hundreds of millions are on the line by the end of this week I will have been working for 20 days straight, 10+hours on average
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Private Speech posted:turns out release crunch is not just a thing in the games industry, but even in embedded if the release is big enough that hundreds of millions are on the line why have you been doing this to yourself? Are you being fairly compensated for all this work?
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champagne posting posted:why have you been doing this to yourself? Are you being fairly compensated for all this work? yeah we'll get 1:1 time off, which isn't bad given it's not contractual and the answer to "why" is *gestures to the rest of the team and then the door*
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Sep 20, 2021 13:37
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Dylan16807 posted:git fsck, I think? did you just tell me to git fsck myself?
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Private Speech posted:yeah we'll get 1:1 time off, which isn't bad given it's not contractual the rest of your team left to form a union?
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champagne posting posted:the rest of your team left to form a union? hey this is software development we're talking about I was going more for put up or gently caress off, everyone has that choice e: to be fair even our manager was absolutely knackered by yesterday, we had to wake him up at 7:30PM to make some decisions as for labour laws in the UK, uhh, we can't be required to work more than 48 hours averaged over the year without signing it off, which was part of our contract anyway (and normal hours are 35 so there's plenty of leeway either way), overtime does not need to be compensated and the first two years of your contract you can be sacked for any non-protected reason (i.e. discrimination, maternity, whistleblowing, union activity if unionised) Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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even with paid time off after this crunch I'm still amazed you're putting up with it and not going "you suck at planning mr management, and now you must suffer for it. See you tomorrow"
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:did you just tell me to git fsck myself?
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Private Speech posted:e: to be fair even our manager was absolutely knackered by yesterday, we had to wake him up at 7:30PM to make some decisions how is stockholm syndrome working out for you so far
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Sep 20, 2021 14:16
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Sagacity posted:
i was worried at first but now i don't seem to want to leave
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Sagacity posted:how is this a good thing? so not only did they incompetently plan this whole thing but at this point in the project they're the only one to be able to decide some things? It's more the size of the company - a month ago our manager told us he said in a higher-up meeting there was no way we could be finished but that he was roundly ignored. There's like 6+ more layers of management above him that made that decision, the number of people doing crunch right now is definitely in three digits at least.
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Private Speech posted:It's more the size of the company - a month ago our manager told us he said there was no way we could be finished but that he was roundly ignored. i believe dante wrote something about this kind of management structure
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"Crunch is not a triumph of the workforce, it is a failure of management." - Jim Sterling
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Private Speech posted:It's more the size of the company - a month ago our manager told us he said in a higher-up meeting there was no way we could be finished but that he was roundly ignored. he told them it couldn't be done, and now you're all working yourself to the bone to prove upper management right? Talk about setting fire to yourself to keep others warm
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champagne posting posted:he told them it couldn't be done, and now you're all working yourself to the bone to prove upper management right? Talk about setting fire to yourself to keep others warm something something it's fine cartoon I honestly don't mind too much, but I feel sorry for the people with kids who can't even put them to bed at times, the conference calls get a bit weird some days
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Sep 20, 2021 14:29
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Private Speech posted:something something it's fine cartoon Workers of the world unite
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Private Speech posted:something something it's fine cartoon im sorry but people like you is why people with kids who want to keep their jobs end up not seeing them as much in those situations
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Sep 20, 2021 14:36
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cinci zoo sniper posted:im sorry but people like you is why people with kids who want to keep their jobs end up not seeing them as much in those situations but they aren't complaining either, in fact it's really only our manager who talks about how it's bad (but necessary) and apologising a lot like what's the play there, from what I can tell I can get fired (there -is- a lot of replacements) or not? and I like the job, we don't normally do any overtime even
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Private Speech posted:but they aren't complaining either, in fact it's really only our manager who talks about how it's bad (but necessary) and apologising a lot I think I found a correlation
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Private Speech posted:(there -is- a lot of replacements) Do you have any data supporting this claim? If my experience in the middle of europe is any indication, it is (and has basically always been) real hard to find any capable developers above junior grade because they're so very rare.
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I will also lay a chunk of blame on your direct manager. His job is to be your lightning rod so you can focus on your work and not have to worry about things above your paygrade like 'roadmaps'. If he's put it down in writing before that it couldn't be done, he should be actively blocking any attempts to time crunch. Also for his own sake, he's being actively undermined from above. If he didn't put it in writing and allowed himself to be scapegoated for his bosses' decisions, he's not a good manager. e: The third option of course is that he's lying his rear end out to you and was promised a nice fat bonus and / or promotion if he managed to get you to time crunch, and the 'disgruntled martyr weeping for his reports' toiling' is just an act. You seem to like him personally so I will not suggest this possibility.
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Ocean of Milk posted:Do you have any data supporting this claim? If my experience in the middle of europe is any indication, it is (and has basically always been) real hard to find any capable developers above junior grade because they're so very rare. We've had to double our team somewhat recently and we had something like 1:5 hire/applicant ratio for the second round of interviews and it only took a month. We've also hired 3 replacements in the last year. It's not perfect but the company does have relatively decent pay and benefits, and is generally a household name including a major presence in the US (that side of the company I'm told is significantly more ruthless to their devs). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Private Speech posted:It's more the size of the company - a month ago our manager told us he said in a higher-up meeting there was no way we could be finished but that he was roundly ignored. it's a dangerous precedent to set. when someone says there's no way you could finish on time, management ignores you and you all work to death to finish on time the message to the management is "yep, i was right, these people should be ignored when they complain", and maybe even "look at how great everyone's performance is when i really push their limits!". it's bullshit and if it gets reinforced it just gets worse and worse obviously, i'm not saying you should personally make a stand against this, clearly you're in an environment where everyone else is contributing to the problem and you trying to hold boundaries on your own isn't going to do anything besides draw lots of flack from everyone around you. just make sure you take care of yourself and don't burn out. it can really creep up on you, and if this becomes a pattern it's probably time to change jobs
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Frankly I think the number of segfaults we're seeing due to every team pushing barely-tested code in right now is probably enough of an issue for management. We're close to a press release and the thing is less stable (albeit more feature-rich) than I've ever seen. e: particularly fun one is compiler warnings going from -werror to "huh how does this even compile" within the span of two weeks though I think that's all for what I'm going to say, NDA and all that Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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You are actively making not only your own life worse but the lives of the workers around you. Reconsider.cinci zoo sniper posted:im sorry but people like you is why people with kids who want to keep their jobs end up not seeing them as much in those situations
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