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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
i wont pay it

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Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
From a few pages back, but

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Maybe this is just the autism talking, but it's absolutely maddening interacting with 90% of the world because I see these errors built on errors and I just want to take them apart and rebuild them properly from scratch, but then people get pissy because they're used to using it that way, i.e. wrong.

Our old IT person, before they were austeritied out of a job, was aghast that everyone begged them not to touch the slow and clunky software we used, because it was so much better than the previous system we had to work with. Her attitude was "it could be so much better" and ours was "it could be so much worse".

blunt posted:

Legacy support in js/css is a legit killer still. For example I can say from first hand experience that there's a large (hundreds of millions of £ turnover) UK web based retailer that still gets about 9% of their orders from devices running Internet Explorer 11, which is way to much revenue to give up on by not supporting.

We had one computer on Microsoft Access 2007 and IE9 long, long after support was dropped, because the company was too cheap update some business critical software to a version that could run off literally anything else. It was an embarrassment. We had to hide the computer from IT.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Spangly A posted:

Tony has repeatedly floated leadership bids and the last time he apparently needed to be strongly talked out of.going for it. At some point he'll try it

E; does nobody have the Adonis tweets about it

I know every so often we get a "tony blair suggests a return to politics" article and adonis obviously subsists entirely on warcrime PM bath water, but even if that were so I would be surprised if he would be trying to lead the labour party again, the smartest thing he did was leaving before his lovely leadership bore fruit, I suppose it's possible his brain has rotted since then but it would make more sense, I think, for him to go another route like Campbell. Far better to have influence but not actually have to take the heat for the results of your garbage decisions.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
More adventures in energy switching land:
so as SSE said I would have to phone to switch (I've had experience of SSE customer services before - no thanks).

So I just signed up with octopus. Got the quote, got the message saying all set up and ready to roll after the cooling off period then a message popped up saying 'something's gone wrong - phone up'. So I don't know if I have switched (subject to cooling off period) or not. At least theirs is a freephone number not an chargeable one unlike SSE.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Absolute scenes on Underground Twitter[1]:

https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/1440026757143220226

Apparently it didn't occur to anyone that naming a train station after something with station already in the name was going to cause problems.

[1] The cool one that talks about tiny trains, not the nerds who talk about like politics or music or poo poo

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Blair is best off letting his institute release statements to the press saying what should be done, and then letting whoever's in charge of Labour actially do it. He'll be able to pat himself on the back if they get it right and then bemoan how he would have gotten it right if he'd handled it himself.

The only real risk is that he indulges in the latter too much and starts to think it's time for tonty 2: 2 fast 2 torious.

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


Lady Demelza posted:

From a few pages back, but

Our old IT person, before they were austeritied out of a job, was aghast that everyone begged them not to touch the slow and clunky software we used, because it was so much better than the previous system we had to work with. Her attitude was "it could be so much better" and ours was "it could be so much worse".

We had one computer on Microsoft Access 2007 and IE9 long, long after support was dropped, because the company was too cheap update some business critical software to a version that could run off literally anything else. It was an embarrassment. We had to hide the computer from IT.

I work for a Fortune 500 engineering company now. Part of my daily
Routine is using Remote Desktop to login to a server running windows server 2003 in order to open an access 2007 database to do revision controls. Yes this as stupid as it sounds. The worst part? There are three other identical systems that have no reason to exist but also need filling in. This company is a mess and a joke and is very much coasting at this point. I genuinely don’t know how we make money.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Drone_Fragger posted:

I genuinely don’t know how we make money.

thats why your doing whatever all that stuff is you just said rather than running the company, doing important meetings. stuff like that.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Thames Valley Police are still using a DOS system designed for military inventory in the falklands. Or at least, they were, before someone in upper management decided to commission a new system by Microsoft. Which has given a bunch of people migraines and eye strain from tiny text that can't be changed, and has been cobbled together from premade modules, one of which my wife recognises from working at an opticians.

The main justification for the old system was that it was fast, and given that it was DOS based, drat near unhackable. The new system has taken almost a year and a half to implement and has a laundry list of faults the after purchase team are hopelessly unable to deal with.

I'm not sure what my point is here because the old system was probably a nightmare to deal with interacting with other systems, but if you're going to replace it with a new system, for fucks sake get one that works.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
guess who made DOS bobby?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Also this is the most Guardian-rear end opening I've ever seen:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/20/food-shortages-gas-prices-wake-me-up-when-its-all-over-please

Zoe Williams, Graun posted:

I tend not to worry about things until they have happened. This is somewhere between a policy and a habit – and has its ups and downs. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have fewer appalling surprises, but not often enough that I try to change.
YOU ARE A loving JOURNALIST IT IS LITERALLY YOUR JOB TO CARE ABOUT THIS

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean if you're reading the guardian it's not for serious analysis, it's entirely to validate your worldview and "urgh isn't it annoying we have to care about reality" is exactly what their readership wants validating.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Bobby Deluxe posted:


YOU ARE A loving JOURNALIST

shes actually a columnist so as long as she submits her words in such a way as they can be stacked underneath each other it doesnt much matter what they say. Whereas the rest of us writing our words sideways are constrained by the need to be meaningful.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

NotJustANumber99 posted:

shes actually a columnist so as long as she submits her words in such a way as they can be stacked underneath each other it doesnt much matter what they say. Whereas the rest of us writing our words sideways are constrained by the need to be meaningful.
The rest of us aren't paid a couple of hundred grand to whine that we can't be arsed to keep up with current events.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Realising that the collapse is real and just getting tired and sighing. Just journalism things.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Spangly A posted:

everything beyond the pre-musk roadsters jockey each other for "literally the worst cars ever made" and it's not close



I'm sorry everywhere else you look is wrong

I hate musk as much as anyone but isn’t there only a single Tesla car on that chart?

Rabelais D
Dec 11, 2012

ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door

Jakabite posted:

I hate musk as much as anyone but isn’t there only a single Tesla car on that chart?

I think the key is in the final three columns for the Tesla car.

People in Hong Kong love Teslas, I feel like you have about a one in eight chance of getting a Tesla whenever you call an Uber. I hate the stupid doorhandles, that's all I know about them.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

buffeh posted:

Hi all,

Anyone got any advice / experience dealing with joint / sports injuries on the NHS or privately?

Unfortunately I think I have knackered my shoulder doing weightlifting about a month ago. I went too low on a weighted dip and something went twang. For a few days after that I had a nasty burning sensation in the front of my shoulder, painful enough to take my breath away at times, which came and went depending on what I was doing (just moving my arm walking or washing up was enough to make it burn)

I rested it for 10 days and the burning pain had basically gone in under a week, once it was feeling better I tried a few sets of bench press and that caused it to flare up again, although nowhere near as painfully as after the initial injury. Unfortunately I think I may have done some real damage, as since the injury the joint pops and clicks and grinds when I move around, in ways it never used to. It also feels somewhat weakened. I do seem to have full motion in the joint though, and it doesn't really hurt if I don't do things that irritate it.

I've read about rotator cuff tears and labrum tears and am now quite worried. I have been doing recommended shoulder rehab exercises such as band pull aparts, dislocates, rotations and dead hangs but I have no form of medical diagnosis so am flying completely blind!

US centric advice on the internet seems to be "Go to a doctor ASAP, the shoulder is complicated so you will need an imaging scan such as Ultrasound or MRI to see what's wrong, followed by an appropriate treatment plan such as sports physio or as a last resort surgery. Treatment such as physio should be started sooner rather than later or scar tissue build up can be a problem"

That's great but I don't think I'm going to get that on the NHS ASAP or possibly I won't get it on the NHS at all! If I go to my GP and tell them "it hurts when I do this" they might just tell me "don't do that", if I insist that I want it examined as not being able to lift weights is affecting my mental health (true, I've found it very good for my mental health), then I suspect they will give me an orthopaedic referral but surely it's going to be a wait of many, many months which is no good if early treatment can avoid problems later on. I've also read that NHS physiotherapists aren't really the best choice for sports injuries - sports physio would be better

I could maybe go private but I'd probably have to take out a loan / crack into a credit card to afford it, also I have no idea how to go about it or even if that's the best choice, having never pursued private healthcare before. Would I just contact a Nuffield orthopaedic consultant or something and pay to see them? Then I'd also have to pay for imaging, follow up appointments, etc etc. Or could I just pay for a private MRI or something then take the MRI results to a sports physio, thus skipping a bunch of the costs for consultant appointments and follow ups?

Or maybe I should just try the NHS and they'll be better than I think! Or maybe it'll just get better on its own! I really don't know the best way to proceed, so I'd really appreciate any advice or personal experiences with this sort of thing, thank you everyone :)

My experience is from 5-8 years ago but very very relevant. I had a wrist injury and getting it sorted was an absolute class-A pain in the arse. I hurt it doing gymnastics, felt something go twang. Went to the NHS doc, they referred me somewhere else who referred me somewhere else. I got to see occupational health or something who just gave me some exercises to do. Did those, didn't help. Went back and they said there was nothing more they could do for me - no suggestions for further treatment or anything. Went back to my doctor and they sent me to a proper physio who again just had a look at it and gave me some exercises, and also that I could try accupuncture (what the gently caress?!).
I hadn't had an actual diagnosis at any point of what the problem was, just "Oh your wrist hurts, we'll do X and Y half measures.

About 2 years of being bounced around and fobbed off I finally said gently caress it and went private (also helps that I had gotten health insurance through my wife's work at that point). Saw a hand and wrist specialist who looked at it and came up with a couple of guesses as to what it could be, but said that I needed an MRI, and that I could go and see my doctor, request to get referred to him (the same wrist surgeon guy) specifically on the NHS instead of privately, and then he would get me an MRI on the NHS. So I did that, got the MRI and they found the issue immediately, very obvious what it was. It was some damage to my tendon sheath, causing a tiny lump that was pressing on a nerve. Required surgery to fix. I got the surgery done privately on my insurance - had to wait about 2 weeks to get it done and had pretty good aftercare etc.

So basically my advice would be to, you can go with the NHS, but be ready to push really hard for an MRI or other imaging and get a proper diagnosis, and don't take no for an answer til you have one. If you still can't get anywhere, it really can be best to bite the bullet and pay the private costs out of pocket for a doc visit and referral to specialist. They may then be able to direct you back through the NHS path (you may even be able to see the exact same doc or at least take your imaging to them) though there'll likely be a much longer wait time (mine was gonna be 8 months on the NHS). Basically once I'd resigned myself to having to go private it was all sorted within about 2 months, after 2+ years of loving about with the NHS.

I'm still bitter about it all frankly. And also about the time I had 2-3 years of eye problems before again seeing a private ophthalmologist who sorted it. You really do need to be ready to kick off and assert yourself to get proper treatment through the NHS, it seems.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Just amazing that the country's wobbling ever-closer to collapse and we have a government confident of winning the next election and an opposition entirely fixated on factional infighting.



Actually, it's not amaxing, it's poo poo, isn't it.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
starting to get a little nervous at people having to go private because there's not a chance in hell of me affording it

i thought we'd get to 2025 before it became obvious that i'm doomed and going to die of something treatable

edit: i just looked into a bupa plan just out of morbid curiosity and i'm hosed anyway because they won't cover pre-existing conditions (coincidentally, also an old shoulder injury that's flaring up), ughhhh i'm literally never getting this fixed

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Sep 21, 2021

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

not sure if it’s a bit late but moneysavingexpert let’s you compare energy tarifs and if you join their “club” you can change your provider with fixed rates , sometimes with a few tenners of cashback thrown in

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
the best thing that happened for my current medical treatment was lucking into a decent gp who not only put in some obvious time learning about my condition/medical history/treatment but also chased down what was happening with my referrals to specialists when nothing was happening with them and I had pretty much no means of finding out what was going on on



teslas are the ideal rich person car for looking flashy and costing a lot of money for bragging rights. When you actually get right up close and see the horrific panel gaps, the lovely paintwork, to push on bits of the interior and hear them creak etc you realise that people are paying out for the kind of build quality found in a 1983 vauxhall nova currently at the bottom of a manchester canal

then again the autopilot in them has sometimes decided acab and attacked police cars so maybe it's not all bad

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

NotJustANumber99 posted:

guess who made DOS bobby?
Bofa.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Also this is the most Guardian-rear end opening I've ever seen:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/20/food-shortages-gas-prices-wake-me-up-when-its-all-over-please

YOU ARE A loving JOURNALIST IT IS LITERALLY YOUR JOB TO CARE ABOUT THIS
I suppose it's better than having a dozen contingency plans and not being able to afford to implement any of them properly, if you enjoy :tif:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I dunno, if I was a rich person and I was going to waste money on an over-priced car I'd just buy a Porsche 911 to at least fulfil a childhood fantasy.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Re. Old IT we have processes re:payments that our operations team run by hand every hour because they're flaky enough and important enough that they need human oversight. Same with the End and start of day processes.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

forkboy84 posted:

I dunno, if I was a rich person and I was going to waste money on an over-priced car I'd just buy a Porsche 911 to at least fulfil a childhood fantasy.

I mean they cost way more, Tesla's are for kinda rich people to pretend they're really flash

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

I think
your hair
looks much
better
pushed
over to
one side

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just amazing that the country's wobbling ever-closer to collapse and we have a government confident of winning the next election and an opposition entirely fixated on factional infighting.



Actually, it's not amaxing, it's poo poo, isn't it.

it genuinely feels like Starmer and his pals don't actually want to win a general election. Just endlessly purging the left to own... themselves

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Purging the left and losing general elections to fulfil the prophecy "better things are not possible."

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Paperhouse posted:

it genuinely feels like Starmer and his pals don't actually want to win a general election. Just endlessly purging the left to enrich themselves

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Self enrichment requires the kind of animal cunning of possessed by cats, toddlers, and Johnsons. To be this authentically bad requires a project.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Failed Imagineer posted:

I mean they cost way more, Tesla's are for kinda rich people to pretend they're really flash

I dunno, Model S is £73k, a Carrera is "just" £12k more.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

NotJustANumber99 posted:

guess who made DOS bobby?

Seatle computer products :actually:
86-DOS was the first dos, Microsoft bought the licence for this and then made MS-DOS.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
It's doubly astonishing, 'cos there's such a clear path to an election victory for Labour. Stop purging the left of the party and bring them into the cabinet instead and present the existing left wing alternatives to the way we're doing things now as 'common sense' policies that will sort this mess out. Nationalise rail and utilities: common sense compared to the horrible mess we have right now. Promote public transport so people can get to where they need to be. Resolve staffing shortages with a generous minimum wage and large scale vocational training in collaboration with industry. And so on and so on. It's all right there and it couldn't be more obvious that this is something the current leadership has no interest in whatsoever.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just amazing that the country's wobbling ever-closer to collapse and we have a government confident of winning the next election and an opposition entirely fixated on factional infighting.



Actually, it's not amaxing, it's poo poo, isn't it.

This guy is a twat, but it's seems notable that even he's asking wtf Labour are doing

https://twitter.com/StigAbell/status/1440199286159917056?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yes but as tony blair famously said, he would rather lose on a right wing platform than win on a left wing one. Yes a left wing political effort with institutional support could storm the country, but the entire point is that the institutions do not support it.

Really the thing that gets on my wick is that the people responsible won't suffer for it, all those idiots who voted for starmer, all the arseholes who run the party, I would be a lot happier if I thought they were having the worst time of their lives.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
"Once everyone else is dead, my platform wins by default." – Lorenzo de Tonti Blair

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
well centrists still want to win. They're just too stupid to realise their policies lead to stagnation and a slide into reactionary politics. So even they can only cognitive dissonance labours current performance away so much. i think mid way through the pandemic the tories basically 'strongly advised' labour not to play politics at such a time and the stupid bastards actually listened to them. Keith's adviser is literally telling him that the people don't want to see the government criticized for anything right now, like some kind of poundshop Grimer Wormtongue.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I really genuinely don't think they do, I'm sure they would like to win but in much the same way that I would prefer to see good ideas represented even if it does not lead to immediate electoral success, they care far more about seeing... basically the most miserable and lovely ideas and people in charge and would happily throw everyone else into a woodchipper to see it happen.

Just the most dogged, grinding committment to the most utterly poo poo and boring ideas. I would say I assume they are just constantly cumming at the thought of business rate tax holiday extensions but I don't even think they can muster that kind of enthusiasm, just having loving middle manager meetings where they thumbs up at each other in a circle about it, maybe get everyone to write a word on the board describing a positive feeling they have about the idea.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Centrist MPs don't care about winning or losing, or even that much about holding power. Being a parliamentarian is such a cushy, safe, and highly paid job that you can basically live high on the hog making one half decent speech about an issue that most people agree with once every decade or so. The rest of the time you can just pocket brown envelope bribes from lobbyists and run your mouth on twitter about some fabricated outrage be it anti-semitism, or too many genders.

After 20 or so years you get a peerage and can then rake in the big bucks doing some 4 hrs per week job as a board member for private/public org and collect your £300 per day for turning up to parliament and getting a cheap lunch.

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Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Lady Demelza posted:

We had to hide the computer from IT.



e:

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Which has given a bunch of people migraines and eye strain from tiny text that can't be changed, and has been cobbled together from premade modules, one of which my wife recognises from working at an opticians.

:classiclol:

Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Sep 21, 2021

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