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i mean to me this crisis shows the total failure of individualism over collectivism, which is the main difference between libertarian socialism and communism. america is so hosed. 100,000s have died, tons of kids are going to have long term effects, and it seems like its just going to go on forever and get worse and worse. China when it came out did a hard lockdown for 3 months (harder than any america even tried) now when they have an outbreak, they have enough social control that they can just lock down blocks or apt complexs. if you've been reading foreign news, they make it seem like the restrictions are draconian, but they only apply to like .1% of the population. for 99.9% life is back to normal. its so depressing. this virus must be defeated, but everyone in the west has given up and is now making excuses for why it cant be. sad to see this poo poo attitude has infected leftists as well. I blame glenn (although I dont consider him a leftist)
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yeah people who already don't trust the govt often have a knee jerk reaction to anything it does, it also happened here. staunch leftists melting down over the right wing dumbass in charge trying to do lockdowns, and the more correctly he's doing it the madder they are. people should stay inside their counties? stupid, dumb and wrong, but eh, i can still go to the pub, this is fine. everyone should get quarantined properly? time to get the supreme court involved because are constitution! by now everyone just straight up ignores any mandates anyway. i.e. pubs/restaurants letting locals in through the back door while the front says closed https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/slovenia/ lol, lmao fake edit: oh they also tried to just stop testing too much to massage the numbers, not many people were all too angry about that but then EU of all things went "uhhh, no."
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New Zealand have used their covid restrictions to bring in new tougher rules on migrants generally which is the main thing people point to as the issue
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Mirello posted:max blumenthal literally will not stfu about how mask mandates are tyranny. this poo poo thinking is a real virus among leftists. how do you become this retarded? You get a shitload of clicks for it, that's how
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Truga posted:yeah people who already don't trust the govt often have a knee jerk reaction to anything it does, it also happened here. would you trust the american government?
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You have to forgive Americans for being retarded sometimes. Like, gradenko brings up the bit about the cops being necessary to enforce any kind of vaccine or mask mandate - but even setting aside the fact that the cops are racist & fascist, how do you rely on the cops to enforce a vaccine mandate when they themselves refuse to take the vaccine? The idea of any kind of lockdown or serious anti-covid measure is completely laughable.
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Max dunks on Chumpsky for trashing the USSR all the time, he's like 99% of the way there lol. it sucks he's being a lib on this issue but everything else he does is really good. i haven't read all of his bad lockdown takes, but the ones i saw were mostly about NZ and AUS, where they don't have a surplus of vaccines available like the US does. both of these countries have actual lockdowns unlike the US, and have for extended periods of time. all the bullshit the US anti-lockdown people complain about is actually affecting working class people there. anti-mask views are obviously bad takes, but i think there's legit criticism about the effects of a zero covid strategy for countries who have the means to obtain more vaccines but are loving up.
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fart simpson posted:would you trust the american government? i don't trust my govt either, but when they completely accidentally do a good thing people still melt down in droves is what's funny
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You have to forgive Americans for being retarded sometimes. Like, gradenko brings up the bit about the cops being necessary to enforce any kind of vaccine or mask mandate - but even setting aside the fact that the cops are racist & fascist, how do you rely on the cops to enforce a vaccine mandate when they themselves refuse to take the vaccine? The idea of any kind of lockdown or serious anti-covid measure is completely laughable. It owns how many cops are dying from covid while doing this
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You have to forgive Americans for being retarded sometimes. Like, gradenko brings up the bit about the cops being necessary to enforce any kind of vaccine or mask mandate - but even setting aside the fact that the cops are racist & fascist, how do you rely on the cops to enforce a vaccine mandate when they themselves refuse to take the vaccine? The idea of any kind of lockdown or serious anti-covid measure is completely laughable. Even if we handled this pandemic correctly there are large chunks of this country who's medical infrastructure has been so hallowed out. Hospitals have been shut down and consolidated in the south, and if you were outside a major city it sounds like you had to travel 1-2 hours to even find a vaccine.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Even if we handled this pandemic correctly there are large chunks of this country who's medical infrastructure has been so hallowed out. Hospitals have been shut down and consolidated in the south, and if you were outside a major city it sounds like you had to travel 1-2 hours to even find a vaccine. yeah, my wife turned to me last night and said "they're paying people $someMoney$ to move to west virginia" and for like half a second i was like 'i like money' then i realized that there's no loving way it's nothing but a hollowed out, food-and-medicine desert of a town in the middle of bumfuck manchin county WV somewhere for drat sure. to the point of leftists against lockdowns, there is always going to be the stripe of person that gets mad when a government uses its authority to do anything. i believe the technical term for this specific stripe of smoothbrainery is known as 'anarchism', also, lol @ anarchists. i think most of them are well intentioned, if a little bit misguided. i typically only really find myself aligned with them on anti-war issues.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Even if we handled this pandemic correctly there are large chunks of this country who's medical infrastructure has been so hallowed out. Hospitals have been shut down and consolidated in the south, and if you were outside a major city it sounds like you had to travel 1-2 hours to even find a vaccine. Early on during vaccine availability I had to take my dad on a 2 hour drive to Oklahoma, because some podunk town with a wal-mart was the only place with an appointment for him. By the time I was eligible for the vaccine I could just go to my own local Wal-Mart though.
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mask vs no mask is whatever when you pack the kids in tightly and declare 3 feet distancing doesnt spread covid it's like a lot of furor and parried political energy over sorting bins or whether to have non-plastic straws to combat climate change
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the only reasonable critique is a systemic critique and comparisons to china faffing about mask mandates and how dare people not follow them or support them or whatever are mostly meaningless in the context of the overall system and are just scapegoating for the system
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I wanted to post something but didn't want to poo poo up the Greenwald or the Epstein threads (again). In the Philippines, we have a mandate to wear face shields in addition to face masks:  This has gotten a level of attention that I feel is disproportionate. The arguments usually range from "it doesn't do anything", "you shouldn't need it anymore if you're outdoors", "it doesn't protect from anything if you're already wearing a face mask anyway", "it actively makes things worse because of wind dynamics creating a vortex around the edges that sucks in more virus". Personally, I'd rather err on the side of caution, so besides mere compliance, I wear mine properly and stringently, but a lot of people take them off as soon as nobody's watching, or lift them up like a visor so it's not actually in front of their face anymore. It seems what people REALLY don't like about them is that they're another layer of material in front of one's eyes that can get dirty and occlude your sight, and blocking the wind from your face makes it hotter, and another thing to hang off your ears on top of a mask can be uncomfortable. It's inconvenient. I can understand that. There's also the political corruption scandal that allegedly there were some government contracts to purchase millions of face shields with a kickback, and the government implementing the mandate is simply a way to force people to buy these things so that the importer can turn a profit. The problem I'm having with this issue is that people keep petitioning the government to lift the face shield mandate, and it sucks all the oxygen out of getting the government to do anything else with regards to improving their pandemic response. Because the way I see it, if the face shields do nothing, then maintaining the mandate costs nothing. Maybe it doesn't prevent more cases, but lifting the mandate also would not prevent more cases, either! As opposed to, say, the government allowing in-door dining. Or the government not properly ventilating buses for public transportation. Or the government allowing call centers to work on-site throughout the entire pandemic. Or the government's contact tracing operations being wholly insufficient. Or any of the number of other similar failures of governance. All those other points would theoretically produce a more marked decrease in the number of cases of COVID in the country, and yet pretty much none of them are getting any air-time compared to demanding that the government stop asking people to wear face shields. I bring this up because I feel like a similar thing is happening with regards to vaccines in the West. Now, obviously vaccines have a far greater effect on cases (and hospitalizations, and deaths) than a face shield does, but my impression is that there's a similar effect on the public discourse, and on the actual governing at hand, that everything is focused on getting people vaccinated, and not on anything else that could be done to reduce cases (or hospitalizations, or deaths). And it's also unfortunate, because even if we begin from the premise that there's some segment of the population that is steadfastly never going to want to get vaccinated, as a result of ideological programming or what-have-you, then it suggests that you'd need to do something else in order to prevent them from getting sick, or to prevent others from getting sick as a result of their actions, and yet such things aren't being considered either, because all of the conversation revolves around "get vaccinated! get vaccinated!"
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It's not like they invite zero covid people on TV around here. It's always between people defending the government's covid measures and commercial interests screaming bloody murder. In that sense it's probably better to have a dumb culture war over face shields than over masks like we have here.
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genericnick posted:It's not like they invite zero covid people on TV around here. It's always between people defending the government's covid measures and commercial interests screaming bloody murder. In that sense it's probably better to have a dumb culture war over face shields than over empiricism like we have here.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1438669884720881666 Aaron asks a important question. I also wanted to know about the dastardly Russian interference.
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Dastardly Russian hackers were trying to running ads trying to swing West Virginia for Trump while ignoring swing states
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this is the article that started it https://www.damemagazine.com/2021/09/15/i-outlived-them-all-reflections-on-survival/ quote:On a scorching day in mid-August, I drove to Leskovets, Bulgaria, a small mountain village 50 miles from Sofia, to meet with 93-year-old Tsvetana Dzhermanova, the last woman survivor of the brutal and (officially nonexistent) forced-labor camps of the 1940s and 1950s. We spoke in her childhood home—the same spot where more than 70 years earlier, she was dragged away by police for having anarchist literature. So this whole fight is about an anarchist prisoner. Tana seems like a dumb anti-communist because you don't have to argue about the ethics of over throwing the Nazi collaborationists for this story to still work. You can say the communists betrayed the rest of the anti-fascists later. She went all the way to Bulgaria to interview an anarchist prisoner and is now getting into fights online about how the dictator King who persecuted Jews was actually a great guy. What a waste of time and energy. https://twitter.com/TanaGaneva/status/1438518142288809984?s=20 Furthermore, I can't believe anyones cites that hack Anne Applebaum. I also hate how the author implicitly praises her own sense of nuance. quote:A 2013 survey found that most students think “Gulag” is a search engine like Google. The Toronto-based historian Lilia Topouzova, who helped connect me with Dhzermanova, has written about how a transition to a capitalist democracy in the early 1990s was accompanied by the erasure of the camps and other abuses of the regime. I like how the current capitalist government is apparently covering up the crimes. How does that make sense. And of course the Canadians are tied up in this This is from the journal of the woman interviewed. I disagree with her political beliefs but I respect her far more than the hack she is giving in the interview too. I guess being a lifelong anarchist means you don't learn when you are being used by imperial propagandists quote:I was arrested on December 16, 1948, during a joint operation against anarchists throughout the country, a few days before the opening of the 5th Congress of the Bulgarian Communist Party. At exactly 6:00 in the morning, the DS authorities, like their Gestapo colleagues, raided our homes, searched us, confiscated literature and arrested us. yeah this is the main political division between anarchists and communists. it's a pretty big assertion. It's literally led to the collapse of socialists projects before quote:The strangers jumped up and asked in one voice, “What are you like?” “Anarchist” – Maria and I replied, and you—”Trotskyist”—followed by their answer and laughter announced the room. We hugged and walked together for three and a half years. The two strangers were Trotskyists from Plovdiv—Dr. Maria Gacheva and lawyer Penka Radeva. They were older than us, but from the moment we saw each other, they accepted us as equal companions in the life that lay ahead. omg bulgarians trots in the 40s were the same as the ones today. and in fairness i'm including the last bit of the memoir quotes quote:We answered. The anarchists did not say anything to us, but the Trotskyists warned that if they behaved like their accomplice Liliana Pirinchieva, they would not wait for liberation and their lives would end in the camp. From our first meeting with Kostov, I realized that this is a bad, cruel person and I was not mistaken in my judgment. On my own back I experienced these obligatory qualities of the Bolshevik policeman. After instructions and threats, we left for Bosna. We were guarded by two policemen. We traveled on foot. So this woman spent three years in a prison camp. I think she is saying the women were sexually assaulted, but I could be misreading. Like, this seems rough, and I'm glad this woman lived the rest of her life peacefully with friends and family. I don't understand why this story was is apparently interesting to Ganeva. I don't know why a US criminal justice reporter operating in good faith would focus on this story specifically, it's not a pressing concern. There's no mass movement for gulag survivors in Bulgaria. Rikers has worse stuff going on right now, and there were Attica Rebellion anniversaries inside and outside prisons across the US last week. edit: after a solid 20 minutes of research there seems to be a whole little modern industry of the US trying to get people to care about Bulgarian gulags, and can post more if people are interested. Paul Feig got his start directing doing a movie about one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_David_(film) Atrocious Joe has issued a correction as of 07:56 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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you have tokeep writing articles on gulags and poo poo because if you didn't the people might start thinking about thos means
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Communism claims one more victim, you hate to see it.
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Mirello posted:i mean to me this crisis shows the total failure of individualism over collectivism, which is the main difference between libertarian socialism and communism. america is so hosed. 100,000s have died, tons of kids are going to have long term effects, and it seems like its just going to go on forever and get worse and worse. China when it came out did a hard lockdown for 3 months (harder than any america even tried) now when they have an outbreak, they have enough social control that they can just lock down blocks or apt complexs. if you've been reading foreign news, they make it seem like the restrictions are draconian, but they only apply to like .1% of the population. for 99.9% life is back to normal.
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yellowcar posted:https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1439008816406794244 Every time lmfao
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https://twitter.com/declassifiedUK/status/1439848723262152712 Grayzone adjacent news, the founder was on an early episode of moderate rebels as well.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/declassifiedUK/status/1439848723262152712 The one book of Mark Curtis I read was pretty good.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:yeah. the U.S. government buys vaccines from private pharma companies, too, so people suspect that everything that is happening is a plot to enrich those companies, which means the virus is fake, while those who believe the virus is real (and it is real) cast blame on individuals instead of the system. "resistance" takes the form of refusing to wear a mask, refusing to get a vaccine, to spite the corrupt "authority," which is in the hands of private capital, not the public. these same people talk about using regeneron with awe, let alone high-margin generics like azithromycin et al. I don’t think it’s quite as simple as misguided resistance to capital
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This has been ongoing for a while now. I haven't read the article yet but on several occasions the gates foundation has forced the African Union to go with certain types of seeds for crops. They're also the biggest landowner in the US. Citations needed did a good 2 parter about him, the 2nd part was about Africa. https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-46-the-not-so-benevolent-billionaire-part-ii-bill-gates-in-africa
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Jose posted:New Zealand have used their covid restrictions to bring in new tougher rules on migrants generally which is the main thing people point to as the issue We have a housing crisis so it's being used to reduce pressure there. The average house cost increased 25% in the last year. E: Mirello posted:i mean to me this crisis shows the total failure of individualism over collectivism, which is the main difference between libertarian socialism and communism. america is so hosed. 100,000s have died, tons of kids are going to have long term effects, and it seems like its just going to go on forever and get worse and worse. China when it came out did a hard lockdown for 3 months (harder than any america even tried) now when they have an outbreak, they have enough social control that they can just lock down blocks or apt complexs. if you've been reading foreign news, they make it seem like the restrictions are draconian, but they only apply to like .1% of the population. for 99.9% life is back to normal. Ahem. I think NZ and to a lesser extent Australia disprove this idea. Weka has issued a correction as of 04:42 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Weka posted:Ahem. in what way? they’re using collectivist policies to reduce or eliminate the spread of covid from communities. just cause they’re liberal democracies doesn’t mean they’re incapable of suppressing individualism in emergency situations
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