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Ford has about the worst build quality I’ve seen on any non-Tesla brand with misaligned panel gaps and trim pieces all over, they’re less reliable and built shoddier than fuckin Hyundais, and every Ford rental I’ve driven or Ford I’ve ridden in—platinum trims included—has been a piece of poo poo experience compared to other mainstream manufacturers. And yet, having seen a couple driving around now, the Bronco looks so cool that I want one in spite of all the inevitable problems. Bronco has road presence the Wrangler can’t match, Ford’s gonna drink Jeep’s milkshake, drink it up.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Just buy a bidet and wash your b-hole instead and enjoy driving a fun car. I already have a bidet  Just missing the fun car part. Thanks for helping me get over the space concerns. Lets see how dealers work out locally if they get delivered any time soon.
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I make costco runs in my BRZ all the time. The trunk actually has more room than the golf (when the seats are up) unless I want to take out the parcel shelf and stack. It's hard to overstate the general value of the twins, even the old model. Aside from a small bad run of engines in one model year, there have been no glaring mechanical issues, it seats two people very well, it has great driving dynamics, the trunk is normal sized and also has a split 60/40 seats to get even more room and the gas mileage is also pretty decent. Cherries on top: Oil changes are dead nuts simple since there's no underbody plates to remove to get to the drain plug and the oil filter is front and center on the top of the engine (and it's a normal filter, not a canister type in a fragile plastic body.) Brakes are cheap Tires are cheap If you don't need to carry more than a single passenger or don't need massive amounts of storage space, it's hard to do better for the price if you want something fun to drive, that's reasonably practical, and cheap to maintain. Probably the mustang is the only other car that falls into this category in the pricerange. It's basically car distilled without being a stripped down race car. Only real issue I have is the ground clearance/approach angles. There are stores I can't go to in it because I would scrap badly going in and out of the parking lot. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 22:12
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So when is Drake or whoever bringing back gold emblems on cars?
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Sep 21, 2021 22:30
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bull3964 posted:I make costco runs in my BRZ all the time. The trunk actually has more room than the golf (when the seats are up) unless I want to take out the parcel shelf and stack. And also, the $36,000 question: Can I get all this with a Miata too
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Sep 21, 2021 22:35
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Have you tried approaching the ramps onto the lots from an angle? You can strap down anything in a convertible.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:58
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The full size bronco has serious road presence, I’ve seen a half dozen of them driving around the metro detroit area and you can spot them from far away, in a good way. Are they going to cut into wrangler sales? Yes. Are they going to hurt the wrangler? Nah. I can’t wait to see the 392 Wrangler vs Raptor Bronco comparisons!
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Sep 21, 2021 23:44
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Has the Mach-E Performance GT made it to any magazine or video reviews as of yet? Ive seen normal people posting that they received GTs, just wasnt sure if reviewers who said "the normal is pretty good,cant wait to try out the GT or performance GT" had gotten them yet?
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Franco Caution posted:Has the Mach-E Performance GT made it to any magazine or video reviews as of yet? No, Ford is hiding them from reviewers until they can figure out why it traps the same as a CX-5 turbo.
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Sep 22, 2021 01:16
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What does "traps" mean
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Fame Douglas posted:What does "traps" mean Final speed at the end of a quarter mile.
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Franco Caution posted:Has the Mach-E Performance GT made it to any magazine or video reviews as of yet? Ford literally still embargoing. Someone int he EV thread picked his up a week ago and..... it goes from a dig but roll acceleration is very very ordinary. Something aint right
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Sep 22, 2021 01:23
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Knowing Ford, they put the bigger motor and battery in it but the wires and voltage regulators are too small.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Have you tried approaching the ramps onto the lots from an angle? For $36,000 I like to look at C6 Corvettes too. Just 400lbs more weight, not horrible I guess. Plus the power to weight ratio improves.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Have you tried approaching the ramps onto the lots from an angle? What are these ramps you speak of? That's not the way terrain in southwestern pa rolls. Cliffs and drop-offs are how you transition into parking lots after 10 winters frost heave the parking lot 5 inches higher than it was originally built. I almost high centered it pulling out from an incline on to a road this summer. Made a terrible sound. I'm still scared to go under it and see what may have scraped.
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Sep 22, 2021 02:56
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Time for rallycross tires and a slight lift sounds like.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Ford literally still embargoing. Someone int he EV thread picked his up a week ago and..... it goes from a dig but roll acceleration is very very ordinary. Something aint right Saw something similar in the Dual Motor ID4 video Redline did. The numbers are there for instant torque and it should be pretty quick, but they did something to make it start off slow or on a delay. I'm wondering if this stuff is more play it safe, or we don't know what the gently caress we are doing? Thats hilarious if the $68k mach-E's trap is anywhere near the Cx-5 turbo.
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It's gotta be for drivetrain preservation, right? They figure if they release all the e-ponies at once they're going to be lunching transmissions and rear ends faster than they can manufacture replacements. Rather than release the fury and prepare for recalls they just turn the wick down. Gotta be that.
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Franco Caution posted:Saw something similar in the Dual Motor ID4 video Redline did. The numbers are there for instant torque and it should be pretty quick, but they did something to make it start off slow or on a delay. The Mach-E GT is very quick from a dig and generally about as fast as you’d expect until around 60mph and then falls off pretty rapidly. It traps about 100mph at around 12.5s.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:It's gotta be for drivetrain preservation, right? They figure if they release all the e-ponies at once they're going to be lunching transmissions and rear ends faster than they can manufacture replacements. Rather than release the fury and prepare for recalls they just turn the wick down. What transmission? It’s a single speed with a motor on each axle.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:It's gotta be for drivetrain preservation, right? They figure if they release all the e-ponies at once they're going to be lunching transmissions and rear ends faster than they can manufacture replacements. Rather than release the fury and prepare for recalls they just turn the wick down. Apart from there's no transmission to protect, all the stress is on the launch mostly so the way the Mach-E GT drops off a cliff after 100kph doesnt make a lot of sense unless there is a software / power management issue. Something that can do 0 100 kph in 3.5 sec should be closer to 180-190kph trap, not 160kph.
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It makes sense because the faster ICE engines go they more efficient they get but the faster electric motors go, the less efficient they get. The motors probably drop off a cliff or the power delivery can't handle it or something.
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drat so if you get the Performance Edition over the GT you get: -Range loss of 15 miles -extra 34ft-lbs torque -0-60 in 3.5 vs the extremely slow 3.8 seconds -wallet becomes $5000 lighter If they bog after its initial 0-60, I wonder how each finishes and what the Performance spec traps?
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KillHour posted:It makes sense because the faster ICE engines go they more efficient they get but the faster electric motors go, the less efficient they get. The motors probably drop off a cliff or the power delivery can't handle it or something. This becomes less of an issue once someone develops reliable gearboxes for electric motors but we're not there yet...
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YOLOsubmarine posted:What transmission? It’s a single speed with a motor on each axle. There's still a reduction with gears, input/output shafts and bearings, and a diff.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qWBmz-j2k Still, should be a lot more robust since there are no synchros or collars or teeth to engage, but maybe they chepead out somewhere and used plastic gears or something. More likely though it's just the motor or electronics running out of steam at higher speeds/rpm
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I'm going to guess high speeds means motor gets hot means more resistance in coils means more power draw means more heat means...
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dont electric motors mat max torque from 0RPM but torque decreases as RPMs go up? engineering explained talked about it a year or two ago i think.
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Say what you want about Tesla’s lackadaisical attitude towards safety and reliability, or Musk’s Billy Mays pitchman personality, it leads to some fast electric cars.
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Elon is a 12 year old boy doodling dream cars in his notebook except he can afford an army of engineers to make them happen.
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got off on a technicality posted:I'm not an engineer but I believe there's lots of intricate details at high RPMs re: heat management and managing mechanical stresses. It could be less of an efficiency issue and more of a reliability one - i.e. the cheaper Ford motors are held back at high RPM so they don't break The motor on both axles in the GT is the same as the motor on the rear axle in the AWD Premium which actually traps a little higher despite being a second and a half slower to 60. It’s likely related something to do with the battery and not the motors, like throttling the current to prevent heat buildup or damage. It’s possible it can be fixed through software if that’s the case, but nobody really knows since Ford isn’t talking.
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KillHour posted:Elon is a 12 year old boy doodling dream cars in his notebook except he can afford an army of engineers to make them happen. No poo poo I believe his tremendous popularity among certain demographics is largely driven by the fact that his entire existence is a validation for stunted manchildren everywhere. Also Ford performance products tend to deliver so I’m inclined to believe they’re just hosed up somehow and not actually performing as intended. Wheeee fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Wheeee posted:Say what you want about Tesla’s lackadaisical attitude towards safety and reliability, or Musk’s Billy Mays pitchman personality, it leads to some fast electric cars. A world-class drivetrain surrounded by a pile of poo poo is just american_cars.txt.
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Godzilla07 posted:A world-class drivetrain surrounded by a pile of poo poo is just american_cars.txt. The Tesla LDU will be the new Chevy 350 v8 of engine (now motor) swaps. Edit: Case in point https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28215254/teslonda-tesla-powered-honda-drive-interview/
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Godzilla07 posted:A world-class drivetrain surrounded by a pile of poo poo is just american_cars.txt. LOTS of cars have been "we're going to make (objectively stupid thing) because it's cool." But Elon is the first person to bring a Jobs-like cult of personality along for the ride and it's weird and creepy. It's like he refuses to be in on his own joke. The dude honestly believes he's automotive Jesus.
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McTinkerson posted:The Tesla LDU will be the new Chevy 350 v8 of engine (now motor) swaps. Tesla would be really cool if they would just sell the motors, controllers, and some batteries. But this is Tesla and they won't even sell you parts to fix your car unless Daddy Elon approves. Meanwhile Chevy there for a minute was selling an electric crate motor that would bolt up to a Turbo 400 trans. https://insideevs.com/news/340975/chevy-camaro-ecopo-and-electric-crate-motor-detailed-in-interview/
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Godzilla07 posted:A world-class drivetrain surrounded by a pile of poo poo is just american_cars.txt. Is the Mitsubishi Evo a joke to you?
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My fire alarm in my apartment complex went off around 4am last Saturday because a Tesla caught on fire while it was charging in the garage and proceeded to take out like 3-4 other cars around it. I honestly didn’t even know that was possible and now I park my car far the gently caress away from charging stations
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got off on a technicality posted:I'm not an engineer but I believe there's lots of intricate details at high RPMs re: heat management and managing mechanical stresses. It could be less of an efficiency issue and more of a reliability one - i.e. the cheaper Ford motors are held back at high RPM so they don't break The Taycan and E-Tron GT have a 2 speed ZF transmission that probably explains why they seem to overshoot their expected MPGs in the real world. Musk says that transmissions are bullshit and only idiots would use one in an electric car.
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Its just drives me crazy to see all the other manufacturers talking about needing to bring it, and match and beat Tesla. Then they bring it, and not only does it not beat, but it also doesnt match Tesla. Hopefully Ford gets it worked out and its just a software thing they can adjust.
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Franco Caution posted:Its just drives me crazy to see all the other manufacturers talking about needing to bring it, and match and beat Tesla. Lucid might be able to do it but they're costly and the trunk sucks. Still if the on paper claims turn out to be true I would very much prefer a Lucid over a Telsa if the build quality turns out to be good. https://www.lucidmotors.com/
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