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Turns out that Noelle gets a class change after you give her the thorn ring Well, that's dark
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Pulsarcat posted:I wanna mention something I really liked About Kris' and Noelles' friendship over the course of chapter 2 i certainly didn't!
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Sep 22, 2021 06:13
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Amppelix posted:gently caress this is such good characterisation and like 98% of players will never see this because everyone playing these games is conditioned to never ever pick anything that isn't the nicest option possible I was trying to be nice, but I screwed up the mouse puzzles a few times and got lost a lot and I noticed that she never used her upset face, she was always smiling when I spooked her.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:21
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Amppelix posted:gently caress this is such good characterisation and like 98% of players will never see this because everyone playing these games is conditioned to never ever pick anything that isn't the nicest option possible i didn't pick the bullying options and i don't have any regrets  Although I did zap her with an energy beam that one time but in my defense she was being constantly horny all the time.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:23
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staplegun posted:i didn't pick the bullying options and i don't have any regrets Notice how the one bullying option that doesn't get that amused reaction is telling Susie that she's an enemy. Meanwhile, nearly shocking Noelle gets her turning the beam back on you and giggling about it. Both are pretty dangerous circumstances, but while she takes it in stride around Kris she's super nervous when with other people.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:30
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that immune to mice message is no joke. Noelle can 1 turn 100% them for free afterwards. I do think you have to dodge all the cheese and backtrack after the immunity puzzle to see that, though.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:32
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Amppelix posted:gently caress this is such good characterisation and like 98% of players will never see this because everyone playing these games is conditioned to never ever pick anything that isn't the nicest option possible
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Sep 22, 2021 06:37
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Something I've been mulling over, but haven't come to any conclusion about yet: We the player can't see Kris emote or hear them talk while we're controlling them. We can only get the broadest of gestures as they move, fight, and ACT; our only perception of Kris is filtered through the game mechanics. They're obviously talking, but we can't hear them, all we can hear is how other people respond. Even when Kris has a meltdown we don't get to see any of it. So, how much of Heartless Kris are we unable to perceive? Are they saying anything? Are they making any gestures other than the puppet-jerking from position to position?
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Sep 22, 2021 06:50
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How did I miss Berdly saying "I have chosen the Susan route in the VN of life."!? He's hilarious.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:51
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MonsieurChoc posted:How did I miss Berdly saying "I have chosen the Susan route in the VN of life."!? Berdly is both awful and hilarious.
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Sep 22, 2021 07:06
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Amppelix posted:gently caress this is such good characterisation and like 98% of players will never see this because everyone playing these games is conditioned to never ever pick anything that isn't the nicest option possible 
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Sep 22, 2021 07:15
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Dr Pepper posted:Berdly is both awful and hilarious. on the alternate route only a kiss from a beautiful gamer girl can save him now........
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Sep 22, 2021 07:54
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So this is what it takes huh (spoilers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXI87dR74iI
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Sep 22, 2021 07:56
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Regallion posted:So this is what it takes huh (spoilers) holy shiiiit the sheer volume of little details in this game
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Sep 22, 2021 07:58
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Regallion posted:So this is what it takes huh (spoilers) "Ralsei, I had Noelle kill a dude with this thing."
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Sep 22, 2021 07:58
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No that's her starting ring.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:01
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SyntheticPolygon posted:No that's her starting ring. "Ralsei, I had Noelle kill a dude to replace this with a better ring"
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Sep 22, 2021 08:03
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Regallion posted:So this is what it takes huh (spoilers) This is wild as hell
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Sep 22, 2021 08:05
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All characters have lines for when you try to make them equip things they can’t (or won’t) equip. Susie refuses to equip any of the hair ribbon armors, and gets increasingly frustrated as you get access to girlier ones and try to put those on her.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:10
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Hey, crackpot theory time. What if Kris didn't make any of the first three Dark Worlds? What if the one in his house is the first one they made? Queen just told the party how to make them, after all... Anyone could've made the closet and classroom worlds since they were closed off. There was a closet in the computer room someone could've hid in waiting until Noelle and Berdley came in.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:15
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McFrugal posted:Hey, crackpot theory time. Then how did they (we still don't know what sex they are, don't we?) have the/a specific knife to make the fountain? Didn't the lore state that a specific type of knife was needed?
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Sep 22, 2021 08:23
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Also don’t forget Kris, not us, had a save file in the dark world that we overwrite at the start. Doesn’t mean they created it, but it suggests they’ve been there before.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:27
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Samovar posted:Then how did they (we still don't know what sex they are, don't we?) have the/a specific knife to make the fountain? Didn't the lore state that a specific type of knife was needed? Absolutely not, Berdly is about to do it with his Halberd. The Knight used a Knife, but you don't need one I'd guess.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:33
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Samovar posted:Then how did they (we still don't know what sex they are, don't we?) have the/a specific knife to make the fountain? Didn't the lore state that a specific type of knife was needed? Queen tells Noelle to use the pin she gave her earlier, so I assume any particularly sharp and/or pointy implement will do
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Sep 22, 2021 08:34
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El Burbo posted:Also don’t forget Kris, not us, had a save file in the dark world that we overwrite at the start. Doesn’t mean they created it, but it suggests they’ve been there before. I've felt significantly less guilty about overwriting it following the end of Chapter 2 than I did at the end of Chapter 1.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:35
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nine-gear crow posted:I've felt significantly less guilty about overwriting it following the end of Chapter 2 than I did at the end of Chapter 1. Why? I think this chapter goes into quite a bit more detail about why Kris's situation is kinda messed up than Chapter 1 did. E: Like, it's got all those Spamton puppet metaphors that freak them out.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:37
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It seems any pointy thing can. Queen tells Noelle to do it with a pin. Might not work but it doesn't seem like the knife is special. I've also been wondering if it really is Kris that has opened all the fountains. They could've, but when did they make the one in the library? And Kris doesn't seem to move that fast without the soul so shambling across town seems like a bad idea. Save editing your health is really easy by the way. I am too lazy to learn Jeevils patterns. Your saves are in your %appdata% local folder. You can open them in any notepad program and there will be 2 lines per character that will show you their current and max health (you're at full health if you saved). You can find the line numbers on Reddit or whatever pretty easily but there's not that much going on in the save files so you don't ready need it.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:41
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Why? I think this chapter goes into quite a bit more detail about why Kris's situation is kinda messed up than Chapter 1 did. They're also actively, knowingly, putting the whole world in jeopardy for the sake of their escapism, at least it appears that way in the absence of any exculpatory evidence at the moment. As of the end of Chapter 2 Kris under their own power is now the closest thing that this game has to an overarching villain, with the player being the villain of the Weird Route.
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Sep 22, 2021 08:41
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Why? I think this chapter goes into quite a bit more detail about why Kris's situation is kinda messed up than Chapter 1 did.  like, I've seen some folks say that they hate Kris but I feel like we must've played different games or they really misread the game
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Sep 22, 2021 08:42
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nine-gear crow posted:They're also actively, knowingly, putting the whole world in jeopardy for the sake of their escapism, at least it appears that way in the absence of any exculpatory evidence at the moment. As of the end of Chapter 2 Kris under their own power is now the closest thing that this game has to an overarching villain, with the player being the villain of the Weird Route. Yeah and it's sick. I support my pal Kris in their endeavors. Like, I don't really feel guilty or anything but I also don't think Kris being the knight really negatively impacts my opinion on them. Sure they could destroy the world or whatever but I don't think that's the goal and they're also handling it with their friends (and me). Mostly the biggest problem they've caused is slashing some tires to get Susie to have a sleep over and hell, I forgive them. I agree that Kris is going to be a major antagonist but I dunno the more we learn about them the more I like them. They're a cool kid imo.
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Sep 22, 2021 09:00
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Troubled boys be lashing out. Rock on little buddy
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Sep 22, 2021 09:18
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Electric Phantasm posted:God drat it I missed out on this because I had Kris Act and and the 4th party member spare to finish the fight in one turn. Do they not get an ACTion option if you don't? Procrastine posted:But what about your fourth party member? Shouldn't they get more powerful too? They're already able to do the same new thing as Ralsei and Susie by that point so I don't think they're underpowered or anything. But there's always room to grow for everyone. Really annoyed that after clearing my watch history YouTube persists in remembering that I watched a Deltarune video and showing me spoilers.
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Sep 22, 2021 09:26
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Kris might let us in on their plans more if we play nice. Had the game told me to slash the tires I would've. We also don't know how much control Kris had over us controlling them. Where did the soul come from and why are we attached to it? Also I've missed teaching Noelle about combat twice and she still has N-act.
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Sep 22, 2021 09:26
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Nina posted:Troubled boys be lashing out. Rock on little buddy even their own mom and friends uses they/them, this isn't really a blank slate like Undertale
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Sep 22, 2021 09:32
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*Troubled little buddies be lashing out I really like Kris. I keep feeling like their relationship to the player is almost adult-child like, and their mid-teens dramatic showmanship of acting out is very cute because of it. Like it's put on exaggerated display just to show you up for messing with their groove
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Sep 22, 2021 09:46
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Brandfarlig posted:We also don't know how much control Kris had over us controlling them. Where did the soul come from and why are we attached to it? I think the soul is Kris's and we're attached to it because they summoned us. Kris's interest in the occult is brought up a few times in Chapter 2 but the biggest thing that stands out is the response you get for acting to click on the popup enemy quote:* You unconsciously clicked on a popup about demon summoning classes for teens. Chara stands in front of a black background and refers to themself as the demon that comes when you call their name and the one time we definitely take complete control over Kris for a brief moment (even pressing right to move them while text is happening) is when Noelle is thinking to herself while the screen is a black background. The player as a summoned entity that can help or hurt Kris makes a lot of sense when you consider that Kris is a lonely, alienated teenager from a broken home that's been distant from their only non-Asriel friend for years and has recently lost all means of contact with Asriel who's established as someone that Kris would talk to online for several hours every night. Making a deal with a presence that you cede nearly all control to in return for hopefully making your life better when you go on fun adventures with new friends is a good trade for someone in Kris's situation zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Your Computer posted:gonna be that person and point out again that Kris has explicitly and consistently not been gendered, by the game itself and Toby outside of the game I would also wish to emphasis the point made in this post. Also, whoops - you lot were right and I had simply forgot re. the formation of fountains . Dah-hoy.
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Sep 22, 2021 10:03
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zetamind2000 posted:I think the soul is Kris's and we're attached to it because they summoned us. Kris's interest in the occult is brought up a few times in Chapter 2 but the biggest thing that stands out is the response you get for acting to click on the popup enemy This is probably correct. It's interesting that they were that successful though. And it doesn't seem like the other goth nerds know about it. Then again Kris is the only human and it does seem like we're on UT logic where monsters don't have separate souls like humans do.
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Sep 22, 2021 10:03
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It's a bit unclear how much we're still following the Undertale rules for how monsters work. On top of dust and stuff, we've seen Susie can easily physically overpower Kris and hold her own fighting him and Ralsei, and Undyne is capable of bench pressing an automobile like it's nothing, which is pretty different from UT establishing they're far weaker than humans.
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Monsters were never depicted as physically weak; even in Undertale Undyne would suplex boulders just because she can. The reason monsters lose to humans is that they are extremely susceptible to emotions. It's not Frisk's knife that kills them, it's our hostility and malice.
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