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So Alina Chan definitely has a dog in this fight, but she (re)posted a link to this leaked putative grant proposal from 2018 today: https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1440279120861024264 that — apparently, taken on face value, which, again, should be cautious, and as I read it as an inexpert layperson — seems to be a group of US + Chinese scientists approaching DARPA in 2018 to fund a program by which they would engineer a novel, highly-contagious coronavirus (as/or a spike protein that they would inject into other viruses) and infect wild bats in caves in Yunnan in the hopes of developing broad cross-immunity that would prevent more dangerous unknown coronaviruses from spilling over. None of this, of course, proves or even really suggests that cov-2 came from a lab; indeed, this is the kind of approach that would be implemented to prevent such a spillover. But it appears that DARPA turned it down for being too risky, and I have to say, it really did make my eyebrows go up as I read it, in terms of the kind of thing that would be seriously proposed within the vein of gain of function. It has already widely become seized on by the right as proof of the plandemic and bioweaponry, and again, I don't think it shows that. But, if true, it startled me on the kind of stuff that these groups were working on. e: looks like it originally was sourced from an Intercept FOIA, perhaps? https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ Petey fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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The root sourcing of this is Ebright, who is the same person with the medium rant that I dissected in the "how conspiracy theories operate" effortpost I linked earlier. I don't have time to dig in now, but it's probably going to be conflating different research programs and/or different definitions of gain of function.
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There's a lot of people with a lot of money and influence invested in different aspects of the bioweapon theory, so be skeptical of any source pushing it. A denied research grant is hardly evidence. Indeed, it shows that scientists were concerned about a coronavirus such as this long before Covid-19. Sometimes bad things happen by random chance and there's no grand conspiracy behind it.
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Bioweapons are a spook story from the cold war era, they honestly are poo poo and no country realistically looks into them in this day and age because the cost to benefit risks are to high, along with the fact that you need it to be able to spread rapidly, but not burn out faster then it can spread. While there was massive research programs on it in the 1960s-1980s the US and soviets all found that it was not beneficial and caused to many issues along with the threat of accidental release being almost impossible to stop. The majority of bioweapon tests also utilized the use of bacteria and not viruses, because viruses mutate way to easily and can easily change to a form that is neither as infectious or deadly in the long run (covid surprisingly has done this at times but other strains just are spreading faster in some cases, viral evolution is weird!) Bacteria that are infectious that bioweapons focused on tended to be spore bacteria like anthrax or botulism, stuff that you can grow and store (viruses tend to be difficult as poo poo to store long term especially in a form that can be used as a weapon). Smallpox would likely be something that bioweapons would focus on, or a genetically modified measles virus that bypasses the current vaccine. The reason for that is both are INSANELY infectious and spread by airborne spread, measles in particular is insane and spreads like wildfire much faster then covid does. Again though, this ties into the fact that doing so is a major risk because the ability to accidently be released is huge, and a level 5 biolab is needed for even testing some of this poo poo. Small pox in particular. Ideally smallpox would be what a true viral bioweapon would utilize, because you can spread it from the fluid from the lesions or dried blisters, and almost no living person has any immunity to it because its been eradicated. Covid isn't a bioweapon, its just morons on twitter spreading misinformation to make it seem like random viral evolution didn't play a part in this. Its also just dumb xenophobic garbage to say that china caused this and asians are the reason your loved one is dying. Stop spreading it. Twitter is a cancer and spreading this poo poo is just spreading right wing propaganda to justify that its all a ploy by the government to hurt people and blah blah blah insert loving alt right comments because thats all it is Like, chemical weapons are more realistic then bioweapons are, the efficiency is greater, the colleterial damage is much less and its easy to prevent accidental spread to allied forces. No country is realistically looking at bioweapons as a serious offensive power because the risk is to high for it backfiring. There are a number of solid books that detail the coldwar era bioweapon projects (both soviet EU and American that are declassified to some degree) that highlight alot of this. UCS Hellmaker fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Petey posted:So Alina Chan definitely has a dog in this fight, but she (re)posted a link to this leaked putative grant proposal from 2018 today: https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1440279120861024264 I think we should probably let this one simmer until there's more to it than just a bad source and paper older than even the last GoF controversy source. Also, pet tax people! 
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Speaking of liberal logic: What's the issue with this article? It describes the subreddit, makes the obvious point that it's sickly sweet with schadenfreude, says you can learn a lot about the actual disease, and also highlights that hey - maybe it's changing some minds - and maybe it's good thing to have around, actually. The concluding line: quote:It is an anti-persuasive venue, a place that dispenses with rational appeals for people to behave better in favor of something much more primal and horrifying. And who knows? Maybe it’s persuading people specifically because it’s not trying to. I mean, did you actually read it? Funny and good.
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Professor Beetus posted:Hey uh, I am pretty sure I know the answer, but those things people wear around their necks for "air filtration" are just stupid hokum right? The packaging literally sounds like snake oil. "Just clip this to your clothing or wear around your neck and you'll have a 4 ft shield around your person that will stop deadly viruses!"  Just don't use lasCOVID.
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My company just announced anyone not vaccinated by Nov will be fired for cause (barring limited exemptions). That means no severance, losing all unvestedbenefits, and no unemployment. Curious to see what they'll accept as exemptions, but they seemed pretty serious about reviewing them.
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I was very pleasantly surprised that my employer required vaccinations starting August 1st. Before we could sign our annual contract we had to submit proof of vaccination to HR. The reservation is only 30% fully vaccinated which is very concerning because of many factors: remote location, lack of healthcare availability, underlying conditions (obesity, diabetes, smoking), many multigenerational households etc. Thankfully my employer is taking the pandemic very seriously.
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Sep 23, 2021 00:44
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Alright all, COVID SIMULATOR v3 IS LIVE! This update focuses on improving the systems/realism to spreading Covid you can get it free at https://coldrice.itch.io/covid-simulator patch notes: https://coldrice.itch.io/covid-simulator/devlog/296832/version-3-is-live
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Coldrice posted:Alright all, COVID SIMULATOR v3 IS LIVE! This update focuses on improving the systems/realism to spreading Covid Hey, would you like to supply me with a perma link to whatever the latest version is? That way I can link it directly to the OP and anyone who clicks can get the latest version on demand. Thanks!
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Sep 23, 2021 01:32
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That Itch.io link is the project page so it should always have the latest version! E: or do you mean a direct download link? Stickman fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Stickman posted:That Itch.io link is the project page so it should always have the latest version! Oh no, as long as that's the up to date product page, that works for me. Thanks again for sharing here.
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Professor Beetus posted:This makes me feel pretty conflicted. On one hand, it seems kinda lovely that people who chose to spit (cough?) in the face of public health shouldn't get priority, but otoh if the treatments are largely unnecessary for most vaccinated people and still being prioritized for immunocompromised vaccinated people, this does seem fairly ethical? The issue is that we are again going out of our way to accommodate those who haven't lifted a finger to contribute to helping solve the problem and in most cases have put energy forward to make things worse. I'm pretty fash on this topic though, mostly out of anger. If it were upto me the willingly unvaxxed would automatically be ineligible to any medical care aside from a complimentary body bag.
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Yeah losing family members and loved ones literally because of a bunch of obese red faced fucks can't take a 5 minute visit to Walgreens and wear something over their loving noses during it. Bar is practically rolling on the ground and they can't even reach it.
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cr0y posted:The issue is that we are again going out of our way to accommodate those who haven't lifted a finger to contribute to helping solve the problem and in most cases have put energy forward to make things worse. I can understand why you feel that way and you are welcome to have your opinion, but I think bolded crosses a line and I'd like you to please consider at least not going that far in this thread, there's all kinds of people who have struggled to get friends and family vaccinated and may have lost someone along the way. I have one single family member left who refuses to get vaccinated, and we press her on it as much as we can in the hopes it will eventually change her mind. I am not willing to say that human beings should be denied basic human rights, because they've had 30 years of Murdoch media pumping worms into their brain and 60 years of the federal government being stripped for parts in every facet except war funding. This pandemic wasn't made this way because of individual choices but rather a pretty apparent societal failure. Venting is what it is and I am not here to tone police, but if you need to scream into the void in here, please pair it with a pet pic or something. This is not the thread for spiraling into outright nihilism.
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Yeah the game page always has the most recent download link. That’s the nice thing about it itch.io makes it wayyy easier to have an easy base of operations
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So with the announcement that boosters have been approved for people with jobs that put them at high risk of exposure that include grocery workers, teachers, and healthcare workers, does that mean basically anyone can claim they have a high-risk job?
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Sep 23, 2021 05:40
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It’ll probably work out to be an honor system, more of less.
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To be fair, that's a fuckton of people who mostly don't have any choice but to put themselves in harm's way, and would have described me if I was still employed, instead of getting high and playing Sea of Thieves. Definitely seems like a good time to look into it if you are in that job category, depending on your circumstances. Fairly significant news from an extremely vanilla source.
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Professor Beetus posted:To be fair, that's a fuckton of people who mostly don't have any choice but to put themselves in harm's way, and would have described me if I was still employed, instead of getting high and playing Sea of Thieves. Definitely seems like a good time to look into it if you are in that job category, depending on your circumstances. Here's the direct, full FDA announcement linked in the above article. FDA Authorizes Booster Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for Certain Populations quote:Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration amended the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to allow for use of a single booster dose, to be administered at least six months after completion of the primary series in:
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Fritz the Horse posted:I was very pleasantly surprised that my employer required vaccinations starting August 1st. Before we could sign our annual contract we had to submit proof of vaccination to HR. That's surprising. I know some reservations were fully vaccinated very quickly. Do you know why the rate is so low at yours?
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So we went from "not even sure it helps people under 65" to "18 year olds should get one if they work in public"?
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Petey posted:That's surprising. I know some reservations were fully vaccinated very quickly. Do you know why the rate is so low at yours? Not Fritz, but I'm gonna guess because South(?) Dakota. The rezzes up north are SUPER rural.
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Petey posted:So Alina Chan definitely has a dog in this fight, but she (re)posted a link to this leaked putative grant proposal from 2018 today: https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1440279120861024264 I support the administration of research on coronaviruses in parrots and small mammals that dates back to the 1980s. None of this is new or remotely radical.
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Coldrice posted:Alright all, COVID SIMULATOR v3 IS LIVE! This update focuses on improving the systems/realism to spreading Covid would you be interested in keeping track of R0 in the current playthrough?
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Fallom posted:So we went from "not even sure it helps people under 65" to "18 year olds should get one if they work in public"? We didn’t go anywhere; it’s the same as recommended by the expert committee.
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So can I book an appointment for Pfizer booster? I qualify. Second shot was March 23. edit - and apologies for sparse content, I would just prefer to ask a knowledgeable group of folks who pay attention to this vs Googling through that sea of data
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I'm not sure how many of you care about this but apparently a bunch of players in the NFL have fake vaccine cards which would explain all the "breakthrough cases" NFL players are loving stupid, pretending they aren't has never worked out for me. quote:Based on what that agent learned from his conversation with this player and others similarly shut down as close contacts in 2021, he estimates that 10–15 percent of players have a fake vaccine card. “I think it is a lot more common than people realize,” he said. “Look, you’re talking about the NFL. These guys do anything they can to fudge a weed test or a PED test.” https://defector.com/fake-vaccine-cards-are-a-real-problem-for-the-nfl/
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Omnikin posted:So can I book an appointment for Pfizer booster? I qualify. Second shot was March 23. Yeah, if you’re part of the groups that should get it, do it. Some areas might be slow to update their systems to follow the recommendation, so don’t be surprised if you call a local drug store and get a, “oh we don’t know about that, we will have to ask corporate.”
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Just to put my MOD HAT on for just a moment, I'd like to reiterate that there are currently no active threadbans for posters in this new thread, as elaborated upon in the OP. Sorry for not emphasizing this further and any confusion some people may have had jumping in recently. As for actual content, Coldrice you need to start applying for NIH grants for the project lol
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Epic High Five posted:Just to put my MOD HAT on for just a moment, I'd like to reiterate that there are currently no active threadbans for posters in this new thread, as elaborated upon in the OP. Sorry for not emphasizing this further and any confusion some people may have had jumping in recently. Oh my sweet summer child. You will regret this soon enough. Epic High Five posted:
Feigl-Ding been tweetin' about it, I hope he's getting lots of money from people paying what they feel for it. poo poo owns
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empty whippet box posted:Oh my sweet summer child. You will regret this soon enough. It seems to be working out well enough so far, it's been an interesting experiment considering how much has changed over how much time since the old thread Hope somebody managed to get the updated version to the Feigl-Ding and the others that have been tinkering with it, it's nuts how much it's changed since it was just differently colored pixels lol
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HelloSailorSign posted:Yeah, if you’re part of the groups that should get it, do it. "Over 18 with frequent occupational exposure to covid" is a mighty big bucket if pharmacists don't try to restrict it to people working in social services or Healthcare. I'll be looking into it as an office worker/non-homer.
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My teacher wife was double vaxxed with Pfizer back in February and caught covid at the end of last month. Wonder if she should still get a third shot or not
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Petey posted:That's surprising. I know some reservations were fully vaccinated very quickly. Do you know why the rate is so low at yours? Fighting Trousers posted:Not Fritz, but I'm gonna guess because South(?) Dakota. The rezzes up north are SUPER rural. IHS did a great job rolling out vaccinations--I got my first dose in early February and was fully vaxxed by March. They did free-for-all walk-in mass vaccination clinics every Sunday and then by appointment during the week and also had mobile vaccination setups going out to the communities. Yes it's very rural but so is the Navajo Nation afaik. That's an issue but it doesn't explain the low vaccination rate and tbh I don't know why it's so low. All the tribes around here have been enforcing mask mandates and other measures since March 2020 even when the GOP state governments were full open 'er up. Part of it is the tremendous amount of mis/disinformation on Facebook which is a primary means of communication around here. I think part of it is also age demographics--life expectancy is quite short and birth rate is high so the population is fairly young overall and they might have a hard time convincing younger folks of the need to be vaccinated. There's a deep-seated distrust of the federal government which goes back more than a century and is very justified. Someone told me (can't recall if it was on the forums or elsewhere) that the Navajo Nation was both hit very hard early on in the pandemic and had an excellent PR/advertising push which got them to >90% rapidly.
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fuckin' get 50 vaccine doses who cares any more vax cards folding out of my wallet like grandkid pictures
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Dumb question, but does the recommendation for the Pfizer booster dose only apply to people who had their primary vaccines from Pfizer, or is the recommendation that anyone who is in those high risk categories get the Pfizer booster dose (even if they received their primary vaccines from Moderna or Johnson and Johnson)?
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brugroffil posted:My teacher wife was double vaxxed with Pfizer back in February and caught covid at the end of last month. Wonder if she should still get a third shot or not There's not going to be data on this, but catching it and recovering likely functioned as well as a 3rd shot for long term immunity.
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