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Paper Lion posted:singh this election: 2,887,108 Can't believe Jagmeet's strategy of appealing to underage Tiktokers and small business owners didn't pay off. Oh well, better luck next time. The important thing is that no one learns anything.
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Ego-bot posted:Can't believe Jagmeet's strategy of appealing to underage Tiktokers and small business owners didn't pay off. Oh well, better luck next time. The important thing is that no one learns anything. Gotta get em while they're young.
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https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1440753942346952709 https://twitter.com/C_Somos/status/1440796753419137027 https://twitter.com/AhmarSKhan/status/1440786273057206276 A journalist will get killed at this rate.
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ZeeBoi posted:https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1440753942346952709 loving class act, that Bernier
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Sep 23, 2021 02:09
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Y'all can and should report that tweet for targeted harassment.
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Sep 23, 2021 02:10
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While I agree that leftists aren't ruthless enough, I wonder if it requires a certain amount of mental weirdness to remain that ruthless and politically savvy while also being incorruptible. Look at Lenin, Mao, Che, and Fidel for examples. These guys were all oddballs to significant degrees.
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Hamelekim posted:I think to some degree it is media consolidation and a swing rightward that has had an impact on NDP support. Maybe that's not true, but it certainly feels that way. They all pushed brutal austerity in the 90s that killed off public support and pitched themselves against their core constituency in the Unions. When you look at the record of NDP governments in Western Canada, they follow the same slow slide into neoliberalism found in other social democratic parties in the world such as Labour, and the SPD. That's especially true when you consider that for the daily lives of most people, the provincial government is much more important than the federal ones. If I'd describe one thing that makes the NDP unique compared to other social democratic parties throughout the world, it's that they seem to be particularly in love with themselves and their history, and this masks their rightward drift. Jack Layton in particular loved to invoke Tommy Douglass while his main policy proposal in 2011 was a tax cut to small businesses. ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Sep 23, 2021 02:23
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ToxicAcne posted:While I agree that leftists aren't ruthless enough, I wonder if it requires a certain amount of mental weirdness to remain that ruthless and politically savvy while also being incorruptible. Look at Lenin, Mao, Che, and Fidel for examples. These guys were all oddballs to significant degrees. The ruthlessness in most of those individuals lended itself to the brutal authoritarianism many political stripes of dictator have come from.
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Sep 23, 2021 02:28
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Pleads posted:Y'all can and should report that tweet for targeted harassment. Agreed, anything we can do to de-platform these ghouls is effort well spent. We should nip this movement in the bud as much as possible.
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Sep 23, 2021 03:12
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ToxicAcne posted:While I agree that leftists aren't ruthless enough, I wonder if it requires a certain amount of mental weirdness to remain that ruthless and politically savvy while also being incorruptible. Look at Lenin, Mao, Che, and Fidel for examples. These guys were all oddballs to significant degrees. Capri Sunrise posted:The ruthlessness in most of those individuals lended itself to the brutal authoritarianism many political stripes of dictator have come from. It's not so surprising. Musing about politics to the degree that you've developed a strategy to stage a revolution requires you to be so interested in topics that don't normally occupy a person's time. While your average prole is probably busy knocking back beers at a pub, thinking about who he's gonna gently caress next and how to get his next paycheck, you're sitting there contemplating global revolution and how to overthrow the govt. I think politically oriented people are either wealthy, dynastic opportunists and intellectuals or they're just straight up "nerds" before there were computers and other stuff nerds were typically known for. These guys were outsiders who envisioned a different world and found ways to mobilize large swaths of people to follow their vision and then became top dogs. In capitalism people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon musk did the same. At times I wonder if the communism was simply the most easily accessible tool for grabbing power, the way money and capitalism is today. Most of these revolutionaries studied the Paris Commune and reviewed every little decision they made to draw inspiration for their own revolutions. Understand that Adolph Thiers wanted every single communard dead. It was a straight up war crime what the 3rd Republic did to the commune. They killed kids, women and anyone suspected of having taken up arms in the name of the commune. They killed so many people there was hardly anyone left to work the mills and other industries in Paris after the republic retook the city. This is by no means an excuse for authoritarian communism but I can see how communist revolutionaries would look at previous failed revolutions and realized that only by being a fanatically militarist dictator with extreme paranoia and a strong state security apparatus could you possibly resist a counterrevolution. The world is so hostile to genuine leftist movements that I think it's inevitable that you either A) Become a hardcore Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist or B) You spend all your time in debating every little thing in democratic proletarian councils while the jackboots are beating down your gates and ready to kill you and everyone who supports you. I may be a little biased here but out of all the 20th century socialist dictators, Josip Broz Tito was the best and in terms of quality of life and general outcomes for average people you could say Yugoslavia was at least equal to or better than some western countries in some respects. Even Yugoslavia was unsustainable because in my opinion their entire existence depended on Tito smartly playing the Soviets and Americans against each other while benefitting from both while riding the fence. The moment the USSR collapsed, there was no reason to prop up the Yugoslav government with cheap loans and capital swept in, broke the place up along ethnic lines and colonized the Balkans. I think that the moment you become a left wing revolutionary, you're literally putting yourself against the inertia and momentum of global politics. You're basically swimming against a very powerful river current that wants to sweep you away into irrelevance. The French Revolution really serves as good education here because you can see that it started "innocently" enough. Like Robespierre appeared to be a totally reasonable, decent and logical example of enlightenment era ideology. He didn't even want a republic! He was strictly pushing for things like a reformed constitutional monarchy with a democratically elected national assembly. But sure enough as the entirety of the world's super powers puts you in their crosshairs and your own internal counterrevolutionary elements want to destroy your movement you start to get violent/authoritarian. The struggle for survival of a regime that is contradictory to established political and economic orthodoxy of the times requires you to do radical, morally questionable and often authoritarian things just to survive. The left has constantly had that battle within themselves. Do we attack? Do we arrest and kill anyone who opposes our regime before eventually setting up free and fair elections? This is the crux of the issue. Your leftist movement can't survive unless it can make fast decisions to mobilize a military and security apparatus capable of rooting out infiltrators and external threats. The moment you give yourself and your inner circle that kind of power it starts to corrupt you and make it very difficult to go back to the original, more benign goals of a democratic society ruled equitably by working class people. There will always be some threat or perceived emergency that makes you want to postpone elections or try to rig them so your party rules. This is true for both capitalist and communist societies and any other place that requires fast moving central control to address the immediate threats at their gates. Finally leftist leaders are weirdos because when you finally obtain unlimited power, the entire country becomes your personal playground. Everyone is too scared to gently caress with you so any kind of proclivity, habit or desire of yours suddenly becomes catered to by sycophants and others. I strongly believe that if you dig into the lives of people like Elon Musk, Mike Bloomberg or Donald Trump you'll find similar weirdness on their side too. America's wealthy do all kinds of weird rear end poo poo. They fly food in from random restaurants all around the country and then throw it out to eat McDonalds instead- just as an example. I won't get into the weird fetishes, the mistresses, the strange hooker appointments and all the other stuff that takes place. I'm not one to kink shame, but having unlimited resources and power lets you go down some deep rabbit holes of weirdness and fuckery. TL;DR: Regardless of your political stripes and ideology, I think most people are weird but their lifestyles prevent them from fully exploring that weirdness to their extremes. All people who have power are weird in their own rights, whether they're billionaires, communists, fascists, Bonapartists, nationalists, 1848 revolutionaries etc etc... Inevitably a lot of things come to the surface when you reach the top of the social hierarchy and are the ones making the rules. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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It would be so nice if next election, national CBC coverage shifted west as the night goes on instead of a bunch of Toronto people complaining about how late it is and not what is currently still happening in the 3rd most populous province in the country.
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Did something interesting happen in Alberta?
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Orthanc6 posted:Agreed, anything we can do to de-platform these ghouls is effort well spent. We should nip this movement in the bud as much as possible.  a tweet so nice they banned it twice flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Sep 23, 2021 05:26
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flakeloaf posted:
 Feels good to do some successful proto-fash punchin' Unfortunately it looks like Anjali lost to the home-flipper Liberal here in Vancouver Granville. I really hope she sticks around, she built enough momentum to get to a photo-finish during a snap election with comparatively little previous name-recognition. That's the kind of pull that's real hard to come by, if the Libs slip up even a little over the next 2-4 years this riding is probably a good bet for the NDP.
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Orthanc6 posted:
Still apparently 55% of special ballots left to count. So she's not totally out of it, even if it is a long shot at this point Here's the link to completed ridings: https://www.elections.ca/enr/help/help_sta_e.htm
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Do you think so? I'm in this riding and I voted for her but I can't say I felt any push from the NDP. The only contact I had from the NDP (and really the only presence I saw) was a mailer for Jagmeet. I saw people out and about for the CPC and LPC candidates though.
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Goosed it. posted:Do you think so? I'm in this riding and I voted for her but I can't say I felt any push from the NDP. The only contact I had from the NDP (and really the only presence I saw) was a mailer for Jagmeet. I saw people out and about for the CPC and LPC candidates though. Going in I was also concerned; I wasn't seeing much movement, knew there was zero prep time and that it would be an uphill battle. But the results tell me something else happened. Maybe it's because people that voted Jody in 2019 preferred to go NDP than back to Liberals, but that would honestly surprise me more than if it really was Anjali running a good game here and I just didn't happen to see it from my end. I canvassed for the previous NDP candidate here in 2019, who worked her butt off for months and got basically nothing back for it. Something changed.
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Sep 23, 2021 13:52
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The only unbelievable part is that Grande Prairie didnt do it first
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Sep 23, 2021 13:54
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At this point I hope they all die.
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Sep 23, 2021 13:59
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Bill them for the cost of their care.
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Vintersorg posted:At this point I hope they all die.
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Vintersorg posted:At this point I hope they all die.
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here are my Edson stories It's basically an oilfield work camp with like a 3:1 M:F ratio. The hotels probably hold more people than the houses. Their walmart has half the lights you would expect a big box store to have and bare concrete floors. it's somehow three times as depressing as a normal walmart. I only know this because it's the only thing open past 5pm.
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Orthanc6 posted:Going in I was also concerned; I wasn't seeing much movement, knew there was zero prep time and that it would be an uphill battle. But the results tell me something else happened. Maybe it's because people that voted Jody in 2019 preferred to go NDP than back to Liberals, but that would honestly surprise me more than if it really was Anjali running a good game here and I just didn't happen to see it from my end. Anjali's campaign had over 200 volunteers but the NDP's data management is loving abysmal and honestly probably costs the party multiple seats every election. Like, I worked on the 2019 campaign in VanGran (so we probably met irl) and we were calling people who told us they asked to be removed from the NDP list in like 2012 and every election since. For some reason the party created bespoke tools to manage voter information but they're incredible cumbersome and unintuitive so the most successful campaigns (imo) use proven platforms like NationBuilder or whatever and then the data they collect never gets integrated with the NDP database because 1) the systems are totally different and 2) once the campaign is over all the staff go back to their normal lives and nobody cares. That isn't what you were posting about at all but I just had to rant about how loving incompetent the NDP is.
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Powershift posted:here are my Edson stories Sounds like the Walmart in Dauphin, MB. Went to Riding Mountain National Park in the Summer and we needed some quick supplies. It was such a depressing store to walk into - like something from the mid-90s. Just forgotten and lovely.
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Hey, do election sign laws apply after the election is over? Not a single PPC sign has been taken down and my fat swastika marker hasn't had any good use in a while.
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thehoodie posted:Anjali's campaign had over 200 volunteers but the NDP's data management is loving abysmal and honestly probably costs the party multiple seats every election. Like, I worked on the 2019 campaign in VanGran (so we probably met irl) and we were calling people who told us they asked to be removed from the NDP list in like 2012 and every election since. For some reason the party created bespoke tools to manage voter information but they're incredible cumbersome and unintuitive so the most successful campaigns (imo) use proven platforms like NationBuilder or whatever and then the data they collect never gets integrated with the NDP database because 1) the systems are totally different and 2) once the campaign is over all the staff go back to their normal lives and nobody cares. Oh yeah we must have met irl! I remember talking to some friends who were only learning about politics this election because of covid, they assumed that the parties had complex systems gathering and assessing all the info from voters automatically. I informed them "no... we ran around with sheets of paper with addresses, you'd be lucky if there were any notes from the last time canvassers talked to anyone, and we pretty much just penciled in good , bad or not-home"
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If I get another email or call from the NDP using my dead name after multiple calls to 1. Change my name on file 2. Change my loving address I swear to god I’m going to lose it on some poor staffer. Knowing their system is trash is making it less likely I get angry at least.
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Orthanc6 posted:Oh yeah we must have met irl! I remember talking to some friends who were only learning about politics this election because of covid, they assumed that the parties had complex systems gathering and assessing all the info from voters automatically. I informed them "no... we ran around with sheets of paper with addresses, you'd be lucky if there were any notes from the last time canvassers talked to anyone, and we pretty much just penciled in good , bad or not-home" i will fully admit to being part of the problem as I have in my storage unit a large bin of canvass walksheets from the 2019 election that this rant has made me now remember... oops! ^^^i am sorry that is happening to you but lol good luck. your best bet is probably to get in touch with somebody from your constituency association as they actually have updated membership lists. but also good luck finding out who is on your local ndp constituency association or getting in contact with them
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To paraphrase Bill Hicks, "I don't think we lost a cancer cure here."
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Cocaine Bear posted:Hey, do election sign laws apply after the election is over? Not a single PPC sign has been taken down and my fat swastika marker hasn't had any good use in a while. Shorter road to success would be to call the city and have the candidate's office fined for leaving them up
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Weird BIAS posted:If I get another email or call from the NDP using my dead name after multiple calls to 1. Change my name on file 2. Change my loving address I swear to god I’m going to lose it on some poor staffer. Knowing their system is trash is making it less likely I get angry at least. One other thing to check is that your voter registration info with Elections Canada is up to date, since the candidates all get a list of electors from them. Cocaine Bear posted:Hey, do election sign laws apply after the election is over? Not a single PPC sign has been taken down and my fat swastika marker hasn't had any good use in a while. Yeah most municipal bylaws on election signage includes a short take down period (three days here last time I did elections seriously) and fines for not taking them down, so notify your local bylaw authorities.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Max got his Twitter account suspended
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HappyHippo posted:Max got his Twitter account suspended Should be banned but I'll take it
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Still up for me, just his stupid tweets deleted.
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Posting this anywhere BC goons might see it: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/paidsickleave/ Legislation is coming to BC effective Jan 2022 for mandatory paid sick leave. There’s a survey on this page for whether it should be a minimum of 3, 5, or 10 days (see “Options Paper”) along with some interesting stats about what’s currently available in the province (only about 40% of employers offer any paid sick leave at all, but a small percentage of employers cover most employees in the province, so despite that about 30% of employees already have more than 10 paid sick days).
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