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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Imagined posted:

In Windows 10? You just hit the ⊞ Win key and start typing? No mouse required.

I don't have a Win key.

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CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
More like a Lose key

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I don't have a Win key.

you can get them dead cheap on SA mart :v:

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I don't have a Win key.

Ctrl+Esc performs the same function then. :science:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Nocheez posted:

I regularly remote into, or use directly, win 98 and winXP interfaces. If you say you prefer those, you either have rose-colored glasses or terrible taste.

Win 10 has faults, but it is so much better than every previous version. I skipped over 8 so that may be why I like it.

Industrial automation or scientific instruments? :v:

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Wibla posted:

Industrial automation or scientific instruments? :v:

Industrial automation-ish. Serial ports made with a USB-converter box, that sort of thing.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Imagined posted:

In Windows 10? You just hit the ⊞ Win key and start typing? No mouse required.

Got to be honest I'm looking forward to Windows 11's native ability to run Android apps. I'm not sure exactly what I'll use it for but I'm pretty sure I'll find some cool way to use it, and if for no other reason it ought to increase the availability of Android ports.

What the gently caress this poo poo is getting crazy

Can you run Linux. Is the Linux desktop finally arrived lmao

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
It's true: https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-gets-android-subsystem-in-latest-developer-build/

Unfortunately they're partnering with the lovely Amazon app store instead of the slightly-less-lovely Google Play store, but we'll see.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Hirayuki posted:

That's strange; my Galaxy S9 running stock Android 10 searches my apps, local files, and the Galaxy store, then offers a "Search Google" option at the very bottom. Maybe it's a software difference or a rogue setting somewhere.

Same, but that's a Samsung launcher thing - it may well be different elsewhere.

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I don't have a Win key.

For as much as I like old keyboards, having another dedicated meta key to use for OS-level shortcuts is genuinely useful.

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ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


3D Megadoodoo posted:

I don't have a Win key.

Use the 田 key instead, then. It has no function, but it looks extremely similar!

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Computer viking posted:

Same, but that's a Samsung launcher thing - it may well be different elsewhere.

For as much as I like old keyboards, having another dedicated meta key to use for OS-level shortcuts is genuinely useful.

Thing is, a decent-but-not-great modern keyboard costs like 90€. IBM Model Ms were 2€ at the recycling centre.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ReidRansom posted:

Use the 田 key instead, then. It has no function, but it looks extremely similar!

Mongolian uses an alphabet. But I guess all Asians look the same to you.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Thing is, a decent-but-not-great modern keyboard costs like 90€. IBM Model Ms were 2€ at the recycling centre.

If that's still true, you can make a mint flipping those straight to ebay. Wouldn't even need to fix the broken ones, those still go for 50-100 USD.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Powered Descent posted:

If that's still true, you can make a mint flipping those straight to ebay. Wouldn't even need to fix the broken ones, those still go for 50-100 USD.

The thought of letting an American get their hands on anything valuable makes me disgusted.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
The trackpad on the laptop for my new job is enormous, and barely works. The settings are a festival of options, but it cannot reliably deliver a goddamn left click. Maybe when the trackpad has grown to take over the entire surface of the machine that will help.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Is it one of those awful pieces of poo poo with no physical mouse buttons?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
The entire Start Menu concept is absolutely broken and stupid and has been from day one.

You don’t open a menu by pushing a button and having it slide out from the button.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Thing is, a decent-but-not-great modern keyboard costs like 90€. IBM Model Ms were 2€ at the recycling centre.

Where are these 2EUR model Ms? I will take as many as you can get

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Mantle posted:

Where are these 2EUR model Ms?

In my home?

legooolas
Jul 30, 2004

SniperWoreConverse posted:

What the gently caress this poo poo is getting crazy

Can you run Linux. Is the Linux desktop finally arrived lmao

WSL has let you run Linux VMs on Windows 10 for a while, in a way that makes them seem native-ish.

Also I've been running Linux desktops since about 1996, so what do you mean finally arrived? :D

I'm hoping they say that Windows runs Android apps better than Android, in the same way that IBM marketed OS/2 running Windows 3.1 apps better than Windows...

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Dick Trauma posted:

The trackpad on the laptop for my new job is enormous, and barely works. The settings are a festival of options, but it cannot reliably deliver a goddamn left click. Maybe when the trackpad has grown to take over the entire surface of the machine that will help.

That's a tablet

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Tunicate posted:

That's a tablet

I've never had a tablet that could left-click on the touch-screen, so he's still probably outta luck.

(Actually the Surface Pro 3 might have had a button on the mouse that acted like a left click? God that was a dire machine... you'd think when Microsoft is producing both the hardware and software, they could keep the video drivers from crashing, but evidence suggested otherwise)

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Dick Trauma posted:

The trackpad on the laptop for my new job is enormous, and barely works. The settings are a festival of options, but it cannot reliably deliver a goddamn left click. Maybe when the trackpad has grown to take over the entire surface of the machine that will help.

I was really sad when my new work laptop only had a trackpad and no nub. Nubs are my favorite and too good for this world. Took way too long to figure out how to right click without tap to click enabled on this trackpad.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Sweevo posted:

Minidisc failed because it was full of DRM bullshit and because it didn't include a way to use them for data. It could have cleaned up in the post-floppy era when CD-R drives were still expensive (and prone to making coasters) and people were trying things like ZIP, Jazz, and LS120 drives to fill the gap. If there had been a standard way of storing a few hundred MB on a minidisc then they could have eaten into the early USB stick market, and been used instead of CDs to play MP3s from.

is it weird that I loving love the form factor of MiniDiscs? They're the perfect goddamn size.

Kwyndig posted:

My first encounter with piracy was a crack disk I got from somewhere to remove the DRM on software I already owned, like the original Wing Commander, such a hassle to dig out the manual every time.

Mine was Qcrack, pulled off of a local BBS, which unlocked the entire Id library hidden on the Quake shareware CD

SniperWoreConverse posted:

What the gently caress this poo poo is getting crazy

Can you run Linux. Is the Linux desktop finally arrived lmao

Yep. Running Windows 11 on my laptop and you can install and run GUI apps with no issues that I've encountered.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Thing is, a decent-but-not-great modern keyboard costs like 90€. IBM Model Ms were 2€ at the recycling centre.

Try to remap a key you rarely use. Dunno if it was this thread or some other one I found this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/keyboard-manager

Or, maybe you can find some piece of crap keyboard and hammer it into shape. Like those joke keyboards that have only ctrl, c, & v. Rig up a one button keyboard to give you the super key.


legooolas posted:

WSL has let you run Linux VMs on Windows 10 for a while, in a way that makes them seem native-ish.

Also I've been running Linux desktops since about 1996, so what do you mean finally arrived? :D

I'm hoping they say that Windows runs Android apps better than Android, in the same way that IBM marketed OS/2 running Windows 3.1 apps better than Windows...

I remember a lot of "this is the year of the Linux desktop you guys finally micro $haft will get what's coming to them!" And it never happened. Linux never took off as a mainstream thing. It'd be pretty funny if it became mainstream by simply getting eaten by Windows like this.

In fact now that I think about it the desktop applications i used to use already have a windows fork, so in a way it's been over. I can't think of any programs that are desktop based.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Rev. Bleech_ posted:

is it weird that I loving love the form factor of MiniDiscs? They're the perfect goddamn size.

Mine was Qcrack, pulled off of a local BBS, which unlocked the entire Id library hidden on the Quake shareware CD

Yep. Running Windows 11 on my laptop and you can install and run GUI apps with no issues that I've encountered.

I used to have a LOT of fun with this:



It's where we discovered Sub7.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Linux is/has been ready, there's just no money in trying to take on Microsoft for that market so (smartly) no one tries.

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.

Fantastic Foreskin posted:

Linux is/has been ready, there's just no money in trying to take on Microsoft for that market so (smartly) no one tries.

I wouldn't call 20 ugly as poo poo desktop environments that are constantly varying degrees of broken "ready".

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
The life cycle of open source software seems to be that the likelihood of the dev team splitting into competing forks approaches 1 at the same pace as said software's version number, meaning every single thing is doomed to be almost, but not quite done forever.

The last time I hosed with trying to have a Linux desktop I would inevitably run into a situation where I had to add some non-standard repo to fulfill some program I found necessary's (usually something proprietary / closed-source) dependencies, which would inevitably lead at some point to having two or more programs that couldn't update because they had dependencies which clashed with each other. Despite Windows' many flaws, I've never been unable to install an update to one program because it's using a slightly different version of a shared library that another program uses.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

chglcu posted:

I wouldn't call 20 ugly as poo poo desktop environments that are constantly varying degrees of broken "ready".

It's like 90% Gnome and has been for years. Everything else is "I have actively chosen a less common distro/variant, or installed it myself".

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

Mine was Qcrack, pulled off of a local BBS, which unlocked the entire Id library hidden on the Quake shareware CD


Qcrack was a defining moment of my childhood.

So many of the best games, just... all right there

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

chglcu posted:

I wouldn't call 20 ugly as poo poo desktop environments that are constantly varying degrees of broken "ready".

I don't think that's been true for a while. I'd argue there are a few DE now that look better and behave more consistent than windows 10 with its mix of the same settings in new and old modules, various settings hidden in old menus you have have to hunt for etc, windows 10 is a real mess. Microsoft plan on fixing this for Windows 11 however although my concern is they will just drop these additional settings altogether.


Imagined posted:

The last time I hosed with trying to have a Linux desktop I would inevitably run into a situation where I had to add some non-standard repo to fulfill some program I found necessary's (usually something proprietary / closed-source) dependencies, which would inevitably lead at some point to having two or more programs that couldn't update because they had dependencies which clashed with each other. Despite Windows' many flaws, I've never been unable to install an update to one program because it's using a slightly different version of a shared library that another program uses.

This however is very true for most people and the biggest blocker for anyone picking up Linux. Either you stick with something out of the box with the default repos and then it's pretty great, but you tinker even slightly and you need to know what you're doing, there is no middle ground, so it's just not suitable for most people.
However the https://flatpak.org/ system might go a long way to solve this, at least with the issue of competing shared libraries.

Speaking as a software developer however, I work professionally on Windows and personally on Linux and the latter is miles better for that, having control over your environment reduces so many headaches with conflicting sdks etc. Docker however has come along and reduced this pain somewhat (although it's a bit behind on windows still)

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His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Imagined posted:

It's true: https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-gets-android-subsystem-in-latest-developer-build/

Unfortunately they're partnering with the lovely Amazon app store instead of the slightly-less-lovely Google Play store, but we'll see.

Windows 10 is already giving me the creeps with all the hidden communication stuff it does, I can only think win 11 will be worse in this respect.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
absolutely, but it applies to a ton of stuff. I went through my new phone and started denying permissions to apps and it was like 100x "woah oh poo poo bud are u sure it might not work right if you do this!" and tl;dr it in fact works normally. There are an insane poo poo ton of apps that are absolutely irrelevant or don't need the permissions they're "supposed" to have, even after going through during setup and not installing anything beyond absolute bare bones options.

There are a TON of apps that try and pull as much info as possible and get access to your mic and all kinds of poo poo. I was shocked that phones even allow you to change permissions at all tbh.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Install as few apps as possible, use a browser with ad blocking instead if you can.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


And also get a VPN with good filtering of unwanted crap and you're mostly good to go.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
My mother in law is currently falling for some crypto scam where they buy some weird new crypto currency that totally is gonna be the next bitcoin!!! and she bought some for us as an "investement". She wanted us to install the wallet app so we can check our balance and i though "yeah ok i'll have a look at it" and the moment you start it it wants full access to your phone storage, contacts and the ability to make phonecalls.
Doesn't explain why it would need any of that, doesn't work if you deny any of it. Guess i'll never get to see my balance!

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Security through obstufication, get your PC botted by every botnet possible so it's impossible to tell what's legitimate traffic

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Something I do know is that on older versions of Android, like 5 or earlier, the "make calls" permission is tied up with the only way to uniquely identify the device for some reason. Or something else insane like that.

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barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Dabir posted:

Something I do know is that on older versions of Android, like 5 or earlier, the "make calls" permission is tied up with the only way to uniquely identify the device for some reason. Or something else insane like that.

It's a wonder that Android ever made it out of the dark times. Back then that poo poo was so hideously bad when compared to iOS or Windows Phone.

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