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 Some coot in Denmark found a sixth century horde of gold, Roman coins and bracetates. https://www.livescience.com/gold-hoard-sixth-century-denmark
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Did the vikings really shave the sides/back of their heads like the main character of every recent viking show does? They look so loving goofy.
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Sep 23, 2021 11:48
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I've seen this haircut used as a more realistic example: The viking period covered several centuries and a large area. There would have been a lot of variation, but I feel like the modern idea is mostly fantasy.
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Sep 23, 2021 14:11
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Probably inspired by the Normans on the Bayeux tapestry.
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Sep 23, 2021 22:51
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The thing that always aggravates me about those shows is the multiple overlapping layers of armor, none of which would work well.
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Sep 23, 2021 22:59
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https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/fossil-footprints-show-humans-north-america-21000-years-ago-rcna2169quote:Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago
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That's pretty drat cool. Glad to see the date keep getting pushed back.
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Sep 24, 2021 00:39
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Double post.
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Sep 24, 2021 00:40
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Telsa Cola posted:That's pretty drat cool. Glad to see the date keep getting pushed back. Agreed. I think prehistoric humans were far wider spread than we know.
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Sep 24, 2021 12:22
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I hypothesize a "random start location" development pattern. After all, that's how Civ games work, the most accurate simulator extant
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Sep 24, 2021 13:12
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Sweevo posted:I've seen this haircut used as a more realistic example:
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Sep 24, 2021 15:09
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Sweevo posted:I've seen this haircut used as a more realistic example: This is the absolute worst haircut I've ever seen holy gently caress.
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when I see historical haircuts like that I often wonder if they were just purely functional - like could it be cut that way because of how hair interacts with helms/helmets/gorgets/maille or something?
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CommonShore posted:when I see historical haircuts like that I often wonder if they were just purely functional - like could it be cut that way because of how hair interacts with helms/helmets/gorgets/maille or something? Probably part of the reason, pure fashion trends also arise from these practical considerations too, see small awkward mustaches 1919-1945.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:48
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Easy to spot all your bros in battle if you got the same stupid haircut your enemies are most likely not going to have.
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Sep 24, 2021 19:15
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People wear helmets in battle
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Sep 24, 2021 19:19
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Gaius Marius posted:People wear helmets in battle Not the protagonists of the battle!
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Sep 24, 2021 19:30
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Helmets are just for tumbling dramatically to the ground when the wearer dies
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Sep 24, 2021 19:42
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Gaius Marius posted:People wear helmets in battle Pffft sure if you can afford them. They just don’t grow on trees.
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Sep 25, 2021 00:23
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If it were a choice of a helmet or armor for my body? Sure as hell taking the helmet given most of my body will be protected by a shield more likely then not I am way more likely to survive an injury there than in the head. Sadly this will prevent cool battle scars so the tradeoff is up to you
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Crab Dad posted:Pffft sure if you can afford them. They just don’t grow on trees. Explain this then 
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ChaseSP posted:If it were a choice of a helmet or armor for my body? Sure as hell taking the helmet given most of my body will be protected by a shield more likely then not I am way more likely to survive an injury there than in the head. Sadly this will prevent cool battle scars so the tradeoff is up to you Not before modern concepts of infection and such are not. Whatever hits your shield might slide off and slice you pretty good.
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Sep 25, 2021 02:45
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Hoplites gradually eliminated armor until they were just carrying an aspis and wearing a helmet. The speed was evidently more useful than the protection. Armor didn't return until the Macedonian style phalanx.
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Sep 25, 2021 02:56
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As far as I am aware, the people in ancient armies tended to acquire armour in this priority order: Shield > Helmet > Legs > Chest > Arms
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Sep 25, 2021 03:44
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CoolCab posted:imagining some period captain screaming at his crew "that rigging better last a thousand years!" More like a lazy Roman sailor railing against a pedantic captain: "It's not like anyone is going to see these knots a thousand years from now. Gosh." Speaking of practical hairdos, I'd heard that the mullet was great for keeping your neck warm and protecting it from the sun, while keeping hair out of your eyes. So business at the back and party at the front, in opposition to modern scholarship.
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Sep 25, 2021 04:41
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Halloween Jack posted:The thing that always aggravates me about those shows is the multiple overlapping layers of armor, none of which would work well. Could you give an example please? GISing for Vikings or game of thrones armour isn't giving me anything like what you're describing.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Did the vikings really shave the sides/back of their heads like the main character of every recent viking show does? I'm a (professional) viking reenactor, and all signs point to: no, definitely not. As Ola points out, this is a norman thing, but sources from the late Danelaw also seems to point more in the direction of.. wait for it.. mullets, and huge porn star moustaches. How much of this is infiltrated by local styles is more or less impossible to say, though. The early viking age/late iron age continental Sveber peoples had longer hair, and, according to Germania, wore it in a bound knot (the so-called 'sveber knot' ) to demonstrate that they were 'free men'. E: it's not certain what Tacitus meant by Sveber in that particular sentence, though, and could have talked about anyone from jutes to sitonians wearing the knot. Tias fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 08:35
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The Suebian knot is a hairstyle with some good historical evidence, since we have a surviving examples of it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osterby_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bog_bodies#D%C3%A4tgen_Man This is 75-130 CE though. Ola fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 10:19
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Grand Fromage posted:Hoplites gradually eliminated armor until they were just carrying an aspis and wearing a helmet. The speed was evidently more useful than the protection. Armor didn't return until the Macedonian style phalanx. Which, of course, mostly dispensed with the shield...
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feedmegin posted:Which, of course, mostly dispensed with the shield... Yep. Shield was useful but too small to make up for armor. The more I've read about this the more the Romans seem to have been unusual in keeping both fairly heavy armor and a huge, body-covering shield. Since we don't really know how Roman formations worked it makes me think they may have been looser than we tend to imagine, so individual legionaries needed more protection.
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Crab Dad posted:Easy to spot all your bros in battle if you got the same stupid haircut your enemies are most likely not going to have. I was asking about vikings, not the USMC
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. Shield was useful but too small to make up for armor. The more I've read about this the more the Romans seem to have been unusual in keeping both fairly heavy armor and a huge, body-covering shield. Since we don't really know how Roman formations worked it makes me think they may have been looser than we tend to imagine, so individual legionaries needed more protection. It’s possible that the Romans compensated for having both big shields and big armor by having their weapons be teeny. Pretty much every other army in history that had to weigh shields vs armor carried a polearm or some big whacking tool like those giant anime swords that one tribe used against Rome.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I was asking about vikings, not the USMC History repeats itself.
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https://twitter.com/b_hawk/status/1441836088738254854
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CoolCab posted:imagining some period captain screaming at his crew "that rigging better last a thousand years!" Theseus wasn't an easy man to serve under.
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Could the down-armouring of hoplites have been driven by cost instead, since they're volunteers with their own equipment? A choice between 1,000 fully armoured cream of the crop aristocrats, verseus 2,000 guys with spear, shield and helmet (but who probably can't even trace their ancestry back to Theseus and I hear some have slaves who make things  )
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Probably not. The Spartans also shed their armor and they were never adding more Spartiates, the number continuously shrank over time. If it were just a cost issue you'd expect the Spartiates at least to keep their armor, as well as other limited number groups like the Sacred Band. It's more likely they decided the advantages of being unarmored outweighed the risks. Ancient Greek armor wasn't as easy to move in as medieval plate or even lorica segmentata, it was really heavy and the weight wasn't distributed well.
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Sep 25, 2021 22:25
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Cool that makes sense! I suppose you'd also expect the rich to still be armoured head to toe for as long as they could afford it, if it was just a question of some soldiers not having the money.
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Yeah, it's easy to think that of course if you were in battle you'd want to be covered in armor, but there certainly seem to be plenty of situations where it's not helpful. Or, at least, being more mobile is more helpful. Medieval plate was very technologically advanced, it wasn't easy to make armor that protected you that well and also didn't restrict your mobility.
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Armor tends to gently caress with spellcasting too
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