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Huxley posted:You mean graveyard recursion or the "cast a bunch of little spells for a big payoff" decks? I mean, look, I get WHY people like it. It just is an itch that I 100% do not have bugging me to scratch and it's on the same tier as "casting Teferi 5" for me.
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Having the best thing to be doing in standard be a vehicle is kinda problematic because they are just not easy to interact with.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:25
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mcmagic posted:Having the best thing to be doing in standard be a vehicle is kinda problematic because they are just not easy to interact with. Eh, they're easier to interact with than an a regular artifact or enchantment. They just screw over wrath strategies.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:27
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mcmagic posted:The turns deck without creatures is way better. Got a list in particular you'd recommend?
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Sep 24, 2021 17:28
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ShaneB posted:I mean, look, I get WHY people like it. It just is an itch that I 100% do not have bugging me to scratch and it's on the same tier as "casting Teferi 5" for me. That's how I feel about midrange. There are people who can play midrange mirrors all day long and it just tickles them to no end. I want every game over by Turn 7. That means I'm mostly an aggro guy, but even when I queue up control, I want to have made some kind of move by T7 that guarantees the game is over. Absolutely no interest in the 15th card of my deck.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:33
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Chariot will get banned because any time anything cat-related is good in Magic it gets banned. I take it personally.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:36
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what was the last good cat card?
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Sep 24, 2021 17:42
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Lone Goat posted:what was the last good cat card? Brimaz. (maybe something after that but RIP king)
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Sep 24, 2021 17:43
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Lone Goat posted:what was the last good cat card? Felidar Guardian took a bullet because it was easily abused due to its timing but I don't think it's a good card.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:44
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goferchan posted:Got a list in particular you'd recommend? https://twitter.com/pironekogift/status/1441006279971905539
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Sep 24, 2021 17:45
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Yeah I got turbofucked by this deck playing R/G aggro, they just had a counter every turn and then all of a sudden they just won.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:48
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GonSmithe posted:Yeah I got turbofucked by this deck playing R/G aggro, they just had a counter every turn and then all of a sudden they just won. It's a T1 deck.
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Sep 24, 2021 17:51
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Lone Goat posted:what was the last good cat card? Lurrus
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AngryBooch posted:Felidar Guardian took a bullet because it was easily abused due to its timing but I don't think it's a good card. Wild Nacatl Cauldron Familiar Lukka (sort of, the deck it was playable in got banned) Felidar Guardian (Standard and then Pioneer I think?) Lurrus
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Sep 24, 2021 17:55
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There are more broken cats than I realized
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Sep 24, 2021 18:10
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If you want to see the future of Magic, imagine a Treefolk token staring down a Goldspan Dragon, forever.
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Sep 24, 2021 18:23
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That looks really annoying, I'll check it out. Surprised I haven't seem to run into it yet
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Sep 24, 2021 18:31
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I played against decks just like that twice yesterday. Irritating af
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Sep 24, 2021 18:34
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Y'all have been hugely spoiled if you think fuckin Chariot is worthy of a ban, lmao.
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Sep 24, 2021 18:34
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Like, give the format a few weeks to loving breathe until you start clamoring for bans, because i can guarantee that everyone will be sick to death of loving UB Delver decks once an optimal build shakes out, and chariot/wrenn won't be poo poo when your opponent is running 12+ counterspells and a bunch of good, cheap removal/bounce to get your poo poo out of the way
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Sep 24, 2021 18:48
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Pablo Nergigante posted:I played against decks just like that twice yesterday. Irritating af how can anyone tell what the cards in that deck are?
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Sep 24, 2021 18:50
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ShaneB posted:how can anyone tell what the cards in that deck are? You should get your eyes checked out. Also familiarity playing the format, but for real the names of the cards are legible in that picture.
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Sep 24, 2021 18:55
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ShaneB posted:how can anyone tell what the cards in that deck are? It's probably this list Deck 3 Fading Hope 1 Disdainful Stroke 4 Jwari Disruption 2 Negate 3 Cathartic Pyre 2 Cinderclasm 2 Galvanic Iteration 4 Divide by Zero 4 Memory Deluge 4 Expressive Iteration 4 Alrund's Epiphany 3 Battle of Frost and Fire 8 Island 8 Mountain 3 Hall of Storm Giants 1 Frostboil Snarl 4 Riverglide Pathway Sideboard 1 Suspicious Stowaway 2 Malevolent Hermit 3 Mind Flayer 1 Disdainful Stroke 2 Burning Hands 1 Cinderclasm 2 Environmental Sciences 1 Teachings of the Archaics 2 Mascot Exhibition
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Sep 24, 2021 18:56
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Very legible is overstating the case.
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Sep 24, 2021 18:57
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Yeah it's hard to read but I couldn't find anything better lol.
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Lone Goat posted:what was the last good cat card?
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Gramps posted:It's probably this list It's this. Just for the love of god don't play the Snarl.
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Sep 24, 2021 18:58
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Gramps posted:It's probably this list Whats the wincon of this deck, just beating people to death with the birds from Alrund's Epiphany when you get a bunch of turns?
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Sep 24, 2021 19:17
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Mike N Eich posted:Whats the wincon of this deck, just beating people to death with the birds from Alrund's Epiphany when you get a bunch of turns? manland beats with Hall of Storm Giants mostly. It's SUPER loving frustrating to play against cause they just counter/bounce/nuke your threats and durdle forever.
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Sep 24, 2021 19:20
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Mike N Eich posted:Whats the wincon of this deck, just beating people to death with the birds from Alrund's Epiphany when you get a bunch of turns? and the blue creature land yeah, there's the Flashback copy spell that lets you crank out lots of turns
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Sep 24, 2021 19:20
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It's funny because my only experience with this standard is watching my friend play the Chariot deck and he said the thing that was disgusting in that deck was the interaction between W7 and Felidar Retreat. He actually didn't get a chance to copy W7's token in the matches I saw, and really I feel like if the opponent can answer either W7 or Chariot it's not the particular combination between them that actually breaks anything. Retreat + W7 is what makes it so you start a turn with 2 creatures and end a turn with 45 power on board.
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Sep 24, 2021 19:22
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Mike N Eich posted:Whats the wincon of this deck, just beating people to death with the birds from Alrund's Epiphany when you get a bunch of turns? You end up just taking all the turns by casting epiphany and copying it with Galvanic Iteration so the actual wincon is trivial. It's either birds or Hall of Storm Giants.
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Played a few games with it now and it's pretty fun. After never seeing the deck before now I ran into the mirror on like my third go lol. It was honestly pretty intense because a lot of your plays are pretty counter-spell resistant, between making copies of stuff and Galvanic Iteration itself having flashback.
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What, historically, has been the strategic approach to counter or deal with or beat blue decks that just counter everything you do, draw shitloads of cards, and eventually win by not letting you play?
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Go first and go under them, cast more than 2 spells a turn or pack a threat that's uncounterable like shifting ceratops or a man land, or a threat that's instant speed so you can force them to spend mana on their turn and then play unopposed on yours. How good those types of strategies are tend to be based on how effective those things are at actually applying pressure back at them. This is a little different than something like mono U tempo which wants to protect a creature with a curiosity effect so it's not quite as easy to deny with instant speed removal since this deck basically just wants to stall until you can't take another turn.
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Leperflesh posted:What, historically, has been the strategic approach to counter or deal with or beat blue decks that just counter everything you do, draw shitloads of cards, and eventually win by not letting you play? Get off to a real fast start and mudhole stomp em, put out more threats than they can answer
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Leperflesh posted:What, historically, has been the strategic approach to counter or deal with or beat blue decks that just counter everything you do, draw shitloads of cards, and eventually win by not letting you play? Counter spell costs 2 and a 2/1 costs 1. Some creatures can come back from the GY. Leyline of Lifeforce if you're desperate.
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I want to try that UR turns deck with a Poppet guy in it.
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fadam posted:I want to try that UR turns deck with a Poppet guy in it. I bought a prerelease kit and built a sealed deck with it for playing at home, and Poppet is really fun. Probably not good enough for any constructed format because it needs to survive a whole turn, but in UB tokens in limited, they priced decayed tokens so cheap that it's easy to get a lethal amount of 3/3s.
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LifeLynx posted:I bought a prerelease kit and built a sealed deck with it for playing at home, and Poppet is really fun. Probably not good enough for any constructed format because it needs to survive a whole turn, but in UB tokens in limited, they priced decayed tokens so cheap that it's easy to get a lethal amount of 3/3s. Yeah, I'm not sure. My gut says that getting at minimum 3x 3/3s on your Epiphany turn(s) (something like six if you're copying it, right? Two from the casts, four from the Epiphany) is pure win-more, but that does basically just close any game out instantly. It also gives you enough punching power that you can turn a Hall into an Island. I'll probably do a fun or two of even if it's strictly worse than what I took out to fit them in. I think long term even if it does lose me a game here or there the equity from not having PTSD flashbacks of winning Nexus games by swinging with a 1/1 army token over and over will work out. EDIT: 3 toughness on the stitcher does let it block a lot of annoying early game poo poo... fadam fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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