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Wow China must have coincidently come across some exonerating evidence in their cases.
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Sep 25, 2021 02:59
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Mr. Apollo posted:Wow the United States must have coincidently come across some exonerating evidence in their case.
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Sep 25, 2021 03:08
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It took them what, months to come up with a charge for two guys they seized before going "Uhhhh, espionage?", then immediately dropping everything when their privileged billionaire tycoon gets to leave the country. Hmmm . . . https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441571942721593345
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Sep 25, 2021 03:21
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Arc Hammer posted:I doubt Kovrig and Spavor are getting reparations for arbitrary detainment. Well one of them was convicted and sentenced so that couldn't possibly be arbitrary.
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Sep 25, 2021 03:23
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eXXon posted:Well one of them was convicted and sentenced so that couldn't possibly be arbitrary. On an espionage charge that has seemingly been dropped almost as if it was completely made up as justification for detaining him in retaliation. Funny that.
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Sep 25, 2021 03:33
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I’m glad the hostage exchange worked out well for all parties.
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Sep 25, 2021 03:43
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We should do this more often.
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Sep 25, 2021 03:46
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I bet the Conservatives are mad Trudeau didn’t do this during the election so they could accuse him of doing this just for votes.
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Sep 25, 2021 04:08
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Arc Hammer posted:On an espionage charge that has seemingly been dropped almost as if it was completely made up as justification for detaining him in retaliation. We already knew Michaels and frame jobs went together well.
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Sep 25, 2021 04:48
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Crow Buddy posted:I assume that the Chinese government has assets (perhaps not though) in Canada. hahahahha
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Sep 25, 2021 05:25
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Evis posted:I think Australia are a much closer ally to the US than Canada and have been for some time. I mean they couped them once, I imagine the US government still wields a very large outsized influence on Aussie politics
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Sep 25, 2021 05:26
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 Peace offering from CSPAM
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Sep 25, 2021 05:27
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Arc Hammer posted:On an espionage charge that has seemingly been dropped almost as if it was completely made up as justification for detaining him in retaliation. rofl are you people serious? Canada abducted the daughter of a CEO on request from the US, the most lawless nation in international relations ever. Of course it was a retaliation, but their targets weren't random, the Michaels are valuable, connected intelligence assets.
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Sep 25, 2021 05:30
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:rofl are you people serious? I wonder if China’s counterintelligence knows who all the five eyes agents are in their country and just feed them bullshit until it’s politically convenient to arrest them the way they did the two Mike’s. These guys obviously work for CSIS and while I’m glad to see them back Im starting to think the Chinese are kicking all of our asses at the espionage game.
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Sep 25, 2021 05:35
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lmao. Welcome to the cold war. Maybe in 30 years we'll have some more good spy movies.
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Sep 25, 2021 05:41
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:rofl are you people serious?
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Sep 25, 2021 05:42
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CSIS DAILY MEETING AGENDA ========================= 1.) Devise codename for agents that is not "Michael" CSIS DAILY MEETING SUMMARY ========================== - MICHAEL R ASKS "can't their codename be different from their real name?" ----- MICHAEL R IS SHOT DEAD BY MICHAEL Z, FOUND BROWN GUY TO BLAME AND IMPRISON FOR 14 YEARS - AGENDA INCOMPLETE - TASK DEEMED IMPOSSIBLE
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Sep 25, 2021 05:46
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Maigou
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Sep 25, 2021 06:14
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:rofl are you people serious? Honest question and not challenging anything, but is there any good sources about the case against the Michaels? Searching online brings up absolutely nothing, just news articles that basically assume from the start that the charges are BS. I'm open to the idea that they were assets, but I honestly haven't heard anyone argue that anywhere other than here, and it's just sort of taken as a given anytime it's brought up here or in C-SPAM.
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Sep 25, 2021 08:47
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enki42 posted:Honest question and not challenging anything, but is there any good sources about the case against the Michaels? Searching online brings up absolutely nothing, just news articles that basically assume from the start that the charges are BS. I'm open to the idea that they were assets, but I honestly haven't heard anyone argue that anywhere other than here, and it's just sort of taken as a given anytime it's brought up here or in C-SPAM. There are no good sources because the trials in China and all associated evidence were done behind closed doors. Not even Canadian diplomats were allowed in. Spavor is the one involved in North Korea (and formally convicted in China). There are Westerners that live and work North Korea, and all of them must be spies. You can safely ignore C-SPAM, they're the type to call random Israelis Mossad (and this is a very common form of antisemitic harassment). My Canadian friend was involved with a documentary on ice hockey in North Korea: https://www.closingthegaphockey.com/ They're all spies.
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Sep 25, 2021 09:02
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Hey remember that time Canada arrested a foreign national at the request of the Trump government in the middle of new NAFTA negotiations and everyone acted shocked when China retaliated, lol International politics is loving pathetic
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Sep 25, 2021 11:55
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enki42 posted:Honest question and not challenging anything, but is there any good sources about the case against the Michaels? Searching online brings up absolutely nothing, just news articles that basically assume from the start that the charges are BS. I'm open to the idea that they were assets, but I honestly haven't heard anyone argue that anywhere other than here, and it's just sort of taken as a given anytime it's brought up here or in C-SPAM. Just their general profile, work at the embassy, careers, and the response from government frankly, everything about them screams 'I work work in intelligence'. Likely they hadn't actually done anything that directly broke any law directly (or done anything in particular that would make them more 'guilty' than dozens of other people there), but that's what espionage laws are for, it's a vague charge to begin with. But Meng hadn't broken any law the warranted her arrest either, especially one Canada should've been agreeable to enforce. This was a cold war hostage taking, with the US acting somewhat unilaterally under Trump and likely being caught off guard by the response. The last few years has been a lot of US actions being met with resistance or responses they don't expect, they aren't adjusting well to no longer being the only big player. e: like, there's more than just 2 Canadian nationals in China right now, they didn't just start looking at who was Canadian and pick 2 people at random. In fact the Michaels are probably at some level go betweens, people the Chinese intelligence apparatus deals with on the reg to communicate with Canada unofficially. Despite competition and animosity, its very common for powers not in direct open war to be talking to each other so neither trips up and causes something incidents that balloon into a confrontation neither side really wants. Like say, kidnapping a CFO. Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 12:49
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i fly airplanes posted:There are no good sources because the trials in China and all associated evidence were done behind closed doors. Not even Canadian diplomats were allowed in. Incredible that you somehow brought up antisemitism here
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Sep 25, 2021 12:52
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China!!!
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Sep 25, 2021 13:41
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Just their general profile, work at the embassy, careers, and the response from government frankly, everything about them screams 'I work work in intelligence'. Don’t you mean a daughter of a CEO?
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Sep 25, 2021 14:51
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Why do people care so much about a billionaire CFO that they need to come into this thread every time there's news about her? If Elena Ford, Chief Customer Experience Officer at Ford Motor Company, were arrested in Mongolia or Vietnam, at China's request would any of us give a poo poo? I wouldn't. I also don't give a poo poo about the spies. All the people involved in this suck and all of their luxurious suffering is still too good for them. Countries should be arresting more CEOs and CFOs, not less, and if the path to do that is countries arresting each other's business leaders then that's all good by me.
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Sep 25, 2021 14:58
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:rofl are you people serious? are you serious
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Sep 25, 2021 15:01
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infernal machines posted:We should do this more often.
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Sep 25, 2021 15:13
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The same people who made fun of Chinese Canadians bringing gifts to Meng Wanzhou's home will donate to a go fund me for the Michaels as soon as they can
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Sep 25, 2021 15:20
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We should be arresting more CFOs, not less imo
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Sep 25, 2021 15:39
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Alctel posted:We should be arresting more CFOs, not less imo Start with the lovely Canadian ones then. Loblaw and any oil company.
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Sep 25, 2021 15:42
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Why do people care so much about a billionaire CFO that they need to come into this thread every time there's news about her? I'm a temporarily embarrassed billionaire CFO and I'm worried about the same thing happening to me one day.
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Sep 25, 2021 15:46
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I've never cared about any of this but it's always in the loving news
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Sep 25, 2021 16:00
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Wistful of Dollars posted:are you serious yes? Arresting Meng was loving insane! The reasoning for it was ludicrous, it was transparently a hostage taking for the US
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Sep 25, 2021 16:02
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Why do people care so much about a billionaire CFO that they need to come into this thread every time there's news about her? If Elena Ford, Chief Customer Experience Officer at Ford Motor Company, were arrested in Mongolia or Vietnam, at China's request would any of us give a poo poo? I wouldn't. I also don't give a poo poo about the spies. All the people involved in this suck and all of their luxurious suffering is still too good for them. Countries should be arresting more CEOs and CFOs, not less, and if the path to do that is countries arresting each other's business leaders then that's all good by me. this is because you think business and government are seperate spheres. they really aren't, especially with transnationals or major firms. This Fiasco was a major incident at high levels between US and China with Canada as the proxy. It doesn't matter at all to the everyday lives of people on the ground but in the halls of power this was an extremely important event.
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Sep 25, 2021 16:05
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:this is because you think business and government are seperate spheres. they really aren't, especially with transnationals or major firms. This Fiasco was a major incident at high levels between US and China with Canada as the proxy. It doesn't matter at all to the everyday lives of people on the ground but in the halls of power this was an extremely important event. This is a shocking piece of information I would never have realized before this incident! My eyes have been opened! I know drat well why the governments involved have gone through this whole charade. I'm asking why I should give a poo poo and why you, as a human being who I presume is neither a transnational executive nor a government mover and shaker nor a spy, gives a poo poo?
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Sep 25, 2021 16:12
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lot of angry words to say you don't care
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Sep 25, 2021 16:14
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Oh wow, really? Rich people care about other rich people and are uncomfortable when one rich person gets arrested because it makes the world one tiny drop less safe for them? Rich people in the US are tightly connected with those who pull the levers of power, just as the rich people in China are connected with those in the Chinese government? oh, well, no reason. Like you, personally, yeah don't worry about it. It's international politics directly involving Canada so I'm interested due to my brain defect that makes me follow all this crap even as it is totally irrelevant to my life. If you have this brain problem its quite engaging and fun to watch. e: which I guess I just assumed us why we are all here
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Sep 25, 2021 16:18
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Canada never should have arrested Meng Wanzhou and we shouldn't be participating in the American belligerence against China and Iran anyway.
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Sep 25, 2021 16:40
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sleep with the vicious posted:Canada never should have arrested Meng Wanzhou and we shouldn't be participating in the American belligerence against China and Iran anyway. Ideally but what would happen if we hadn't The cusma was signed literally the day before she was arrested lol
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Sep 25, 2021 16:47
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