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girl dick energy posted:This is the man who insisted for years that there was no demand for OOTS PDFs and that it'd just cut into the bottom line on the physical books (despite some or all of the books often being out of stock). Then the PDFs went up on Gumroad and he was completely flabbergasted at how much came in. After the hell that was the Kickstarter, I think he has a Thing about digital sales income, etc., and Patreon would be a part of that. I remember when he posted something about this, and at the time I thought it was relatively well-reasoned. He said he liked to have his stuff in physical print because it felt more real to him, which, ok, sure, and he talked about how he had to make sure they'd be able to sell a certain amount of print copies or they wouldn't be able to afford to print them at all. And niche books like OotS have a limited potential market and they didn't think that PDF copies would expand their total sales very much, but if enough people opted for the PDF instead of the physical book then it could make the physical books not worth printing at all. It all seemed to make sense, so it's kinda hilarious to find out that no, he was just being a dipshit about business stuff as usual and way more people want to buy his stuff if he just makes it available.
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I don't think that's being a dipshit, he just really underestimated how popular it would be and didn't have faith in a new fangled technology based distribution method and businesses that could say, print shirts on demand like they do for Roosterteeth now didn't exist then.
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If he wanted personal physical copies that's what vanity presses are for. Otherwise it's strange he was holding out so he could sell physical copies to Pete that he'd never see again.
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Sep 24, 2021 02:45
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Vanity presses huh? Outfits that exist for making very small print runs, is that it? I might have use for something like that.
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SuperKlaus posted:Vanity presses huh? Outfits that exist for making very small print runs, is that it? I might have use for something like that. A vanity press can be small print runs, but the defining characteristic is that they aren't a publisher, just a printer. You pay them to print your books, they hand you your box of books and say goodbye. You can sell them, try to find a distributer, or do whatever you want with them. You start out paying money and may or may not be able to make that money back by selling your books yourself. With a traditional publisher they agree to print and distribute your books, then send you royalties based on how well the books sell. You may or may not make any money, but you should never end up with negative money.
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Facebook Aunt posted:A vanity press can be small print runs, but the defining characteristic is that they aren't a publisher, just a printer. You pay them to print your books, they hand you your box of books and say goodbye. You can sell them, try to find a distributer, or do whatever you want with them. You start out paying money and may or may not be able to make that money back by selling your books yourself. Vanity presses are also set up as cons. They're acting as a printer, but you can get a printer who won't lie to you about marketing your work for you or tell you that your submission had been accepted after their extensive screening. Vanity presses are inherently dishonest and try to extract as much money out of their victims as possible. A printer will just take what you give them and turn it into a book.
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Random Stranger posted:Vanity presses are also set up as cons. They're acting as a printer, but you can get a printer who won't lie to you about marketing your work for you or tell you that your submission had been accepted after their extensive screening. Vanity presses are inherently dishonest and try to extract as much money out of their victims as possible. A printer will just take what you give them and turn it into a book. There have in the past been vanity presses that deliberately misled new authors into thinking that they will become rich and famous if they just pay a small initial fee. Most, however, are honest about the fact that they print your book and nothing more.
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Gynovore posted:There have in the past been vanity presses that deliberately misled new authors into thinking that they will become rich and famous if they just pay a small initial fee. Most, however, are honest about the fact that they print your book and nothing more. The latter type are just called printers.
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I thought the whole point of calling it a "vanity press" was because you're just printing copies for your own pleasure, not to get rich.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I thought the whole point of calling it a "vanity press" was because you're just printing copies for your own pleasure, not to get rich. I think the idea is that you pay to have 500 copies printed, then walk down to the local bookstores and convince the owners to buy 25 copies each, then word of mouth gets out and you become rich and famous.
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This is literally what a goon friend did and now he's got an agent and a publishing contract, it's p rad. There was a lot of effort in between, mind.
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sebmojo posted:This is literally what a goon friend did and now he's got an agent and a publishing contract, it's p rad.  that's amazing!quote:There was a lot of effort in between, mind. Well this just sucks...
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Me sowing: Well this loving sucks, what the gently caress Me reaping: Hahahaha YES!
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I thought the whole point of calling it a "vanity press" was because you're just printing copies for your own pleasure, not to get rich. Yeah that would be my interest in it.
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A vanity press is a type of publisher and usually requires you to sign rights over to them and poo poo. Like the other goon said, you're better off finding a printshop that does custom orders or small batches and self publishing.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Me sowing: Well this loving sucks, what the gently caress indie work.txt
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Me sowing: Well this loving sucks, what the gently caress Or on the flip-side sometimes: Me Sowing: YOLO!!!! Me Reaping: Must murder whoever invented mornings...
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GlyphGryph posted:A vanity press is a type of publisher and usually requires you to sign rights over to them and poo poo. Like the other goon said, you're better off finding a printshop that does custom orders or small batches and self publishing. Publisher: you give them a portion of the rights to your book. They have copies printed, distribute them to bookstores, and do publicity. They take the money from sales and give you a percentage. Honest vanity press: you give them money, they print out copies of your book and send them to you. That's it. Dishonest vanity press: they trick you into thinking that they will make you rich and famous, but all they do is take your money and print the book.
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Gynovore posted:Honest vanity press: you give them money, they print out copies of your book and send them to you. That's it. That's the point. Those aren't called "vanity presses", they're called printers. Vanity presses don't call themselves vanity presses, the term "vanity press" is explicitly a fake publisher that cons people.
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Sep 26, 2021 00:34
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They're called vanity presses because paying to print your own book is considered vain.
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Sep 26, 2021 00:55
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It's exactly the same concept as a vanity domain but applied to printing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_domain Maybe you've had bad experiences with them but that doesn't mean the term is exclusively used by sociopaths and scammers, don't be weird.
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Yeah these days self-publishing is the preferred term to distinguish from the kind of scams that flourished (and no doubt still do) in the vanity press market but it's the same basic idea.
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Self publishing has been around a lot longer than vanity presses and the term vanity press was not invented to describe self publishing or printers, but specifically to describe a subset of publishers.
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It appears that different people use the words "vanity press” to mean different things and you're getting mad about that.
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Sep 26, 2021 18:26
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This derail has me all vanity pressed up.
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Sep 26, 2021 18:41
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Its got me vanity depressed
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Sep 26, 2021 19:57
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You can tell they're vanity presses because they probably think this post is about them.
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Don't you? Don't you?
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I thought vanity pressing was having sex on a makeup table.
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Sep 28, 2021 01:31
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no, that's make-up sex
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girl dick energy posted:I thought vanity pressing was having sex on a makeup table. No, its having sex on an ironing board.
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a computing pun posted:no, that's make-up sex I thought that was when you miss an earlier opportunity for sex and have to arrange for it to happen later
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Sep 28, 2021 03:14
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I sure hope Rich is ironing his shirts OK.
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Sep 28, 2021 03:28
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I vainly hope that Rich isn't pressed.
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New strip: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1245.html
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Idea that she is specifically acting to piss off the Order on an individual basis gaining steam.
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Even Belkar is getting in on the non-aggression dealio they have going. Unfortunately it's not looking like Serini's gonna appreciate it.
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I'm with Belkar on this one. Potpourri sachets are terrible and I give them a wide berth.
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I really don't like Serini. She's just as full of herself as the rest of her group. Only a rogue's trickery can keep the gate safe!
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