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RIP Syndrome posted:Degrowth that doesn't kill everyone is technically possible with a carefully planned economy, but modern civilization is predicated on the idea that planning isn't possible this is just the ecological equivalent of ultraleftism imo
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Sep 26, 2021 19:41
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RIP Syndrome posted:Degrowth that doesn't kill everyone is technically possible with a carefully planned economy, but modern civilization is predicated on the idea that planning isn't possible and its all part of the plan....
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Sep 26, 2021 19:41
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IAMKOREA posted:Well my mom remembers a summer it was pretty dry when she was a kid so I'm sure that this is all just an over reaction and everything is fine.
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Sep 26, 2021 19:43
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#1 hilarious thing about climate change imo is those dumb coke polar bear ads in the 90s and there not being any ice caps 40 years later
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Sep 26, 2021 19:47
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mediaphage posted:and it's not even that having a fridge is impossible. if you make a chest freezer operate at fridge temperatures and only open it once or twice every time you cook a meal (and that's it), it would absolutely sip power in comparison to standard modern fridges. *sundanzer brand, if you want to check it out, though I think their website has been out of stock on everything for quite a while... 
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Sep 26, 2021 19:48
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Raqqa Flocka Flame posted:I watched both "Nature Abhors a Dome" and "Planet of the Humans" over the past couple days. And now it's really sinking in for me that some type of rapid and catastrophic degrowth in the near future is the best possible outcome to look forward too. edit: poo poo i hosed this up because i'm dumb but i was gonna post a meme about this post maybe i'll do it later
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Sep 26, 2021 19:48
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Bathtub Cheese posted:this is just the ecological equivalent of ultraleftism imo Is that good or bad? By "technically possible" I mean there's probably an achievable energy budget where we put very little CO2 into the atmosphere and where everyone's still fine but not nearly as comfy as the currently 10% comfiest people on Earth. However, we can't really get there with market-based incentives like increasing the cost of CO2 without ending up in the situation you described previously. With our current energy budget we could probably achieve v. good comfiness for everyone, but we're not doing that either.
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Sep 26, 2021 19:55
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Most of my spare time these days is spent outdoors. I ride my bike. I fish. I hunt. Today we went out to scout fields and I'm skipping a bike race (lol not racing bikes and risking a covid infection or a broken collarbone when friends have already been denied surgery for the same because covid is taking up too much healthcare resources) to go hunt this evening. Hunting this year is going to be good but there's a drought and persistently low water levels in the marshes this year so next year the hunting is going to kinda suck. I'll race bikes next year. It's sunny and 10c above normal for this time of year. It's beautiful. My wife, who works outside, doesn't understand why I feel such a need to spend as much time as possible outside, to the point of near exhaustion sometimes. I literally feel guilty when I waste a day. It's because I know none of this is going to last. As beautiful as it is right now, I know in the back of my head that I'm watching the world die.
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Sep 26, 2021 19:56
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SPARC is going to come online in 2025 and we'll all feel pretty silly about climate change Or it doesn't, and we'll be the last generation to enjoy the finer things in life. Pretty exciting, either way
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Sep 26, 2021 19:59
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Lol lmao
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Sep 26, 2021 19:59
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Justin Tyme posted:SPARC is going to come online in 2025 and we'll all feel pretty silly about climate change Comedy option: It works and fusion's finally reality! Hurray! Oh god damnit now we got to tackle the microplastics-in-all-of-the-species problem... lol. lmao.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:09
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RIP Syndrome posted:Degrowth that doesn't kill everyone is technically possible with a carefully planned economy, but modern civilization is predicated on the idea that planning isn't possible The problem with rapid degrowth is it just delays us.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:17
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EvilJoven posted:Most of my spare time these days is spent outdoors. I ride my bike. I fish. I hunt. Today we went out to scout fields and I'm skipping a bike race (lol not racing bikes and risking a covid infection or a broken collarbone when friends have already been denied surgery for the same because covid is taking up too much healthcare resources) to go hunt this evening. Hunting this year is going to be good but there's a drought and persistently low water levels in the marshes this year so next year the hunting is going to kinda suck. I'll race bikes next year. I do this too, I tried to explain to someone how the whole rocky mountain forest is dying and I want to experience it before it's gone and they got really mad at me so I try not to talk about it anymore 
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Sep 26, 2021 20:19
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I think the real problem with rapid degrowth is that it doesn't generate value for shareholders.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:20
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Rectal Death Adept posted:The problem with rapid degrowth is it just delays us. Compared to what?
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Sep 26, 2021 20:21
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i mean rapid degrowth is coming no matter what sooo
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Sep 26, 2021 20:26
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EvilJoven posted:Most of my spare time these days is spent outdoors. I ride my bike. I fish. I hunt. Today we went out to scout fields and I'm skipping a bike race (lol not racing bikes and risking a covid infection or a broken collarbone when friends have already been denied surgery for the same because covid is taking up too much healthcare resources) to go hunt this evening. Hunting this year is going to be good but there's a drought and persistently low water levels in the marshes this year so next year the hunting is going to kinda suck. I'll race bikes next year. Just gotta kill a few more animals before they're all gone. They're so beautiful *sniff* BOOM. *Reloads* i love them so much *BOOM*
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Sep 26, 2021 20:27
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 it would be Malthusian to suggest that number shouldn't go up
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Sep 26, 2021 20:28
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RIP Syndrome posted:Compared to what? If a solar EMP wiped out all power generation worldwide we still have the cities plumbed and wired and the rear end in a top hat desire to pollute put off a few decades. If a solar storm causes an extreme geomagnetic reaction that causes all industry to short circuit and burst into flame taking the entire concept of technology and anything integrated with it out in fire then that stalls us a few decades more. If we nuke ourselves and cool the atmosphere we will have pockets of industry waiting for us to adapt to the new radioactive environment assuming we don't make earth entirely uninhabitable. If yellowstone goes and takes out the worst offenders it buys a little more time with an extreme check on the global temperatures rising. If you are talking about some situation where humanity becomes benevolent and agrees to do this in an enlightened way to optimize our resources to save the most lives this mythical people still live here. Dead is dead. The Protagonist posted:i mean ^
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Sep 26, 2021 20:29
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splifyphus posted:I just did a bunch of acid and crack-pinged to a whole new dimension. cool
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Sep 26, 2021 20:30
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*pulls a wild trout out of the river* All you guys are gonna be gone soon, you know that? So glad we got to share this moment together... *Humanely smashes it's brains out with a mallet* *Sniff* so sad but so tasty. Hun do we still have cornmeal or did we use it all in last week's fry up?
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Sep 26, 2021 20:34
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I feel absolutely awful, just sick to my stomach, if I go a single day without killing a wild animal. What a waste.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:36
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i'm all about not harming nature but gently caress deer and geese and the ocean in general
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Sep 26, 2021 20:40
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Climate change means I won't be able to kill animals as easily anymore, and that makes me sad!
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Sep 26, 2021 20:42
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Rectal Death Adept posted:If a solar EMP wiped out all power generation worldwide we still have the cities plumbed and wired and the rear end in a top hat desire to pollute put off a few decades. Oh, well, I'm not gonna argue against that. What I am arguing, I guess, is that there is a hypothetical state where humans exist and have some form of industry without destroying their ecological niche in the extreme near term. Sure it could still be something like the 100,000 year term, but, well. The sun has enough energy for a good long time, and the Earth's mantle has both vast amounts of energy and more than enough minerals. There are animals, even social animals that practice agriculture, that exist without exceeding the carrying capacity of the land. I think there's no reason why humans (maybe a somewhat different kind of human than we're used to, but still human) could not do the same. So this state exists, hypothetically. But if you view history as a kind of decision graph, there's no clear path from here to there for human society. Makes the impending doom all the more bittersweet.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:52
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Trabisnikof posted:again if they rebuild the pipeline, blowing it up is worse than just leaving it be for the environment. I dunno, given the increasingly obvious catastrophe going on with the supply chain right now I'm thinking that the capitalist portrayal of the easily replaceable nature of physical infrastructure might be a bit overstated...
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Sep 26, 2021 20:52
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RIP Syndrome posted:Oh, well, I'm not gonna argue against that. What I am arguing, I guess, is that there is a hypothetical state where humans exist and have some form of industry without destroying their ecological niche in the extreme near term. Sure it could still be something like the 100,000 year term, but, well. The sun has enough energy for a good long time, and the Earth's mantle has both vast amounts of energy and more than enough minerals. There are animals, even social animals that practice agriculture, that exist without exceeding the carrying capacity of the land. I think there's no reason why humans (maybe a somewhat different kind of human than we're used to, but still human) could do the same. I get what you mean. That is totally possible. People might spit at the concept out of bitterness that it won't happen for us but there are a ton of common sense things a society that didn't prioritize currency could do even with our level of technology.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:54
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RIP Syndrome posted:I think there's no reason why humans (maybe a somewhat different kind of human than we're used to, but still human) could do the same. so like Crakers
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Sep 26, 2021 20:55
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It's all about the natural cycle of life. To hunt is to show supreme respect for the untamed nature of earth. Two souls intertwine. *aims at last of the white rhinos with a railgun mounted to a helicopter while shedding a tear* thank you.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:56
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I fight anything smaller than a bear bare handed. Bears I will afford myself the luxury of a small stone knife.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:02
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Let he who hasn't shorn an elephant's tail off cast the first stone. Right at the elephant's big dumb head. Hit it real hard so it falls over and we can cut it's tail off!
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Sep 26, 2021 21:02
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Here is a pic of me enjoying some of the last of nature. Gonna be so sad when this is all gone.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:05
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breathing out a sigh of relief after harpooning the last sperm whale, "the great work is finally done"
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Sep 26, 2021 21:07
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"I sure owned that guy." *bites into a chicken sandwich made from birds raised in basically a concentration camp for birds*
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Sep 26, 2021 21:13
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the best way to take down any animal is to target their chakras
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Sep 26, 2021 21:15
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Cold on a Cob posted:so like Crakers we prefer the term Biscuit e.g. Totalitarian Biscuit
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Sep 26, 2021 21:18
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Sequoias on fire off the shoulder of Morro Rock. I watched tendies glittering in the freezer near the stuffed crust pizza. All these moments will be lost in time. Like... beaches... in the rain. Time to lol
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Sep 26, 2021 21:23
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EvilJoven posted:"I sure owned that guy." Concentration camps? That's a ban+30 if I've ever seen one.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:40
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EvilJoven posted:"I sure owned that guy." We view the world as being focused on and about us but really we're just the method that God has created to punish sinful animals. Like how the point of hell isn't to provide a place for demons and devils to live it's to gently caress up human souls. Now I don't pretend to know what cows and chickens did in the real world to deserve this poo poo but it must have been pretty loving bad.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:45
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