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kingturnip posted:Well, Keith won the vote on leadership candidates needing the backing of 20% of MPs to be formally accepted. lol at being someone who thinks there's any reason to stay in Labour after this.
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forkboy84 posted:lol at being someone who thinks there's any reason to stay in Labour after this. at this point it's only acceptable to be in the party if you're a councillor or have some kind of seat or influence, any leftist who is just a member should absolutely get out and should have already tbh. I'm disgusted with the party
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Where's the best place on SA for me to post up about some large size women's shoes I have to give away? Or can I post ITT?
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kingturnip posted:Jess Phillips will claim she can, but that there's a legitimate medical reason that she'd rather not disclose that means she can't.
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kingturnip posted:Jess Phillips will claim she can, but that there's a legitimate medical reason that she'd rather not disclose that means she can't. To be fair its hard to see where you're going with your head so far up your own arse.
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Ofgem is moving over 550000 Avro customers to Octopus. I guess that means they think Octopus is safe (a relief as I'm just in the middle of switching to them!) ed: corrected number Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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CGI Stardust posted:on the bright side, under the new rules liz kendall wouldn't have got on the ballot either but then we wouldn't have gotten Liz Kendall At Her Computer
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ofgem is moving over 550000 Avro customers to Octopus. I guess that means they think Octopus is safe (a relief as I'm just in the middle of switching to them!)
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i just want the things in my house to go on when i press the buttons why do i need a gcse in choosing?
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Just saw this quote in a comment in the Graun:quote:"First of all, I should like to mention a slight inaccuracy on the part of Comrade McLaine, which cannot be agreed to. He called the Labour Party the political organisation of the trade union movement, and later repeated the statement when he said that the Labour Party is the political expression of the workers organised in trade unions. I have met the same view several times in the paper of the British Socialist Party. It is erroneous, and is partly the cause of the opposition, fully justified in some measure, coming from the British revolutionary workers. Indeed, the concepts political department of the trade unions or political expression of the trade union movement, are erroneous. Of course, most of the Labour Party's members are workingmen.
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Stanlow refinery which supplies 1/6th of the country's road fuel is apparently on the point of collapse. (I think it's a bit scaremongery actually as they seem to have repaid a big chunk) https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/stanlow-oil-refinery-on-brink-21681102 quote:
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This is 100% the Ruia brothers not wanting to pay the 200 million because of the Asda petrol station thing.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Just saw this quote in a comment in the Graun: lol, is it any wonder they preferred to teach us about the tudor’s despite this stuff having greater influence over our lives
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Personally can't wait for the labour right to have kier starmer whacked by the sun/daily mail/times/telegraph goon sqaud for losing an election by 200 seats and then replacing him under the new rules even less qualified or electable with even less policies. Tony benn was right.
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Might be of interest to a few folks ITT; archive.org have a set of old Subterranea Britannica zines available to read online: https://archive.org/details/subterranea quote:Subterranea Britannica is a UK-based society for all those interested in man-made and man-used underground structures and space. Founded in 1974, the society (often known simply as Sub Brit) has grown to over a thousand members. Our interests cover all manner of underground sites, from Neolithic flint mines to nuclear bunkers. Some can be easily visited, others require more specialist training or equipment; some, sadly, no longer exist
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forkboy84 posted:lol at being someone who thinks there's any reason to stay in Labour after this. This probably wouldn’t have passed if 150,000 lefties hadn’t left the party.
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Comrade Fakename posted:This probably wouldn’t have passed if 150,000 lefties hadn’t left the party. They would've just found more reasons to suspend people.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ofgem is moving over 550000 Avro customers to Octopus. I guess that means they think Octopus is safe (a relief as I'm just in the middle of switching to them!) I’m genuinely interested to see how much direct financial support Octopus are going to get for taking on Avro. The supplier of last resort levy that a supplier can claim on for excess costs doesn’t pay out for 18 months, and they’re going to have to buy over £500 million of power and gas over the next few days to supply all these new customers over winter.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:i just want the things in my house to go on when i press the buttons why do i need a gcse in choosing? iirc and afaik (lol) the things in your house will always work when you push the button. it's literally all the same energy, some people just want to charge you more or less for it. when I worked for an energy company I never once saw an instance of somebody's gas or electric being turned off - they just had loving massive bills to pay. I have a vague memory of it being illegal to deprive a household of energy if they're on a constant supply - might not be true idk. I never saw it. I did see a lot of people with pay as you go meters who couldn't afford to buy gas or electric and that was loving poo poo. I've also lived on PAYG electric and even though it wasn't a financial problem it was still loving annoying
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So wait (I'm an American) it's hard to tell from the coverage, did they change the overall leadership election from mass membership vote to electoral college, or just the nomination process from 15% to 20% recommendations?
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Comrade Fakename posted:This probably wouldn’t have passed if 150,000 lefties hadn’t left the party. They don't get a say, nobody has ever asked me to vote for conference delegates and they just suspend however many delegates it takes to win anyway, conference is a joke.
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icantfindaname posted:So wait (I'm an American) it's hard to tell from the coverage, did they change the overall leadership election from mass membership vote to electoral college, or just the nomination process from 15% to 20% recommendations? Candidates will now have to receive the backing of 20% of Labour MPs (up from 10%). I believe that the actual vote on the leader will still be in the hands of the party members according to this anyway https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmers-proposed-leadership-rule-changes-have-been-passed-12419211 it also has this loving putrid quote  yep, problem solved lads. jeremys out, lefts are out, problem solved. sort of interesting that he thinks this is a major step forward in the effort to win the next general election. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to that unless he isn't the leader that goes into that election
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Where did the whole 'the left is anti-sematic and the real racists' come from anyway? They tried it during the US primaries a bit as well against Bernie, but it failed cos he's Jewish
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I feel like they'd tried almost everything and that was the one that stuck. It's easy to hurl at the left because 'there is a small cadre of elites who control all the money and we should stop them' is a message easily taken in bad faith to be classically anti-Semitic. Not that there isn't any anti-Semitism on the left but I don't think there's more than there is anywhere else.
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Alctel posted:Where did the whole 'the left is anti-sematic and the real racists' come from anyway? They tried it during the US primaries a bit as well against Bernie, but it failed cos he's Jewish Cold War anticommunist liberals vs the USSR
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icantfindaname posted:Cold War anticommunist liberals vs the USSR indeed; many of the specific issues today (e.g., is Zionist ethnonationalism uniquely illegitimate?) remain inherited from Soviet focuses from the 1960s there's a universe where the West sees through Egypt's dam, Israel remains Soviet-aligned post-Suez, and "the only democratic socialist state in the Middle East" remains a left-wing talking point (as it was Harold Wilson's) my favourite example of this geopolitics of convenience is Indonesia, which annexed West Papua in 1962 (then as a communist-aligned state) and then annexed East Timor in 1975 (as a West-aligned state), but only one of these is remembered depending on the speaker ronya fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Sep 27, 2021 |
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This is pretty cool: https://twitter.com/karishma4va/status/1442282169859133440?s=20 Apparently it's a non-binding referendum, but still cool. Can't ever imagine anything like this gaining traction in the UK.
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Absolute refusal to learn a single thing https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1442164127703646208?s=21
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No he should, it'd be hilarious.ronya posted:indeed; many of the specific issues today (e.g., is Zionist ethnonationalism uniquely illegitimate?) remain inherited from Soviet focuses from the 1960s I only know two people who go on about Israel/Palestine as much as certain elements in the press believe the entire left does; one of them went there with Birthright and was deeply unimpressed with the whole project, and the other is one of Salem Hanna Khamis' grandchildren, so it isn't surprising, and I don't think anyone in the Observer has any right to silence either. It's one geopolitical situation among many, but (other than Afghanistan) the sale of arms to Mohammed bin Salman seems to be the only other that gets much airtime (and even then the renting out of air force crew and materiel at his pleasure is ignored). Ethiopia/Tigray, the Burmese army in Chinland, the partial collapse of talks between FARC and the recognized government of Colombia, Mexican talks with northern poppy growers after the pandemic interrupted fentanyl production in Wuhan, etc. are all things of concern to people active in left world politics, but you wouldn't believe it if you only read the papers. On top of that, there's a lot more weight on such prosaic matters as where food and heating are coming from for the winter domestically. Maybe that makes us a bunch of Nietzche's last men, concerned mainly with food and shelter rather than the loftier goals of writing volumes full of bollocks before dying of neurosyphilis, but I think that's a large part of human politics anywhere, and I think that more than anything is a big part of centrist obsession with I/P, so that they can go "look at these detached lefties, obsessed with being antisemitic rather than the domestic issues that we like to pretend we care about but don't, which is why we ignore them on domestic issues."
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Guavanaut posted:There's also the matter of whether anyone cares about this as much as the people making the opposite case need them to care in order to make their own case sound legitimate. I mean, you say that, and then Conference is a sea of Palestinian flags. Momentum cynically using I/P to push Brexit off the priority motion list wasn't that long ago!
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OwlFancier posted:They don't get a say, nobody has ever asked me to vote for conference delegates and they just suspend however many delegates it takes to win anyway, conference is a joke. I can tell you from direct experience that the reason we had fewer left delegates this year is that many CLPs moved to the right in their AGMs this year, and so selected more right wing delegates for conference. The reason so many CLPs moved to the right is because so many left-wing members had left, a story we saw time and again. 150,000 left members left the party, and this is the result. This is also exactly what the Labour right wanted to happen.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I can tell you from direct experience that the reason we had fewer left delegates this year is that many CLPs moved to the right in their AGMs this year, and so selected more right wing delegates for conference. The reason so many CLPs moved to the right is because so many left-wing members had left, a story we saw time and again. Good, let them rule over their burning trash fire of a party
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ronya posted:I mean, you say that, and then Conference is a sea of Palestinian flags. Momentum cynically using I/P to push Brexit off the priority motion list wasn't that long ago!
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Comrade Fakename posted:I can tell you from direct experience that the reason we had fewer left delegates this year is that many CLPs moved to the right in their AGMs this year, and so selected more right wing delegates for conference. The reason so many CLPs moved to the right is because so many left-wing members had left, a story we saw time and again. Which really just illustrates that the party structurally favours the right at every step, gently caress them, I'm sick of it.
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WhatEvil posted:This is pretty cool: Looks like the centre-left / green parties just edged out the German elections too. Does anyone know if that has any chance of making real progress?
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