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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

learnincurve posted:

I never not once got to go to a NE Derbyshire Labour meeting because the 6 old twats who organise everything deliberately hold them in some nice little Tory village on the edge of loving nowhere with no bus service to deliberately exclude the tens of thousands of council house labour voters in the area.

Yeah Southeast Cambs was about the same. I mean its a rural constituency but I can't justify 2 hours on the bus each way to go to a meeting. Car havers only p much.

Edit: 1982 - The book A Very British Coup comes out. It reflects the views of a lot of posters itt regarding the potential chances of success for parliamentary socialism.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Sep 27, 2021

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Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

I mean it’s pretty simple, if you consider trans men to be men then yes men can have a cervix. It shouldn’t be a struggle to put it in plain terms like that.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I know it probably means I'm just irretrievably jokerfied but gently caress if this doesn't give me energy

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Noxville posted:

I mean it’s pretty simple, if you consider trans men to be men then yes men can have a cervix. It shouldn’t be a struggle to put it in plain terms like that.

Wouldn't the obvious comeback by TERFs be that they're not men, just confused lesbians or some other stupid nonsense like that?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Yeah it seems to be an easy one, not all women have cervixes including trans women and intersex women, I'm not even sure it's correct to day all cis women have cervixes

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
Labour are so loving useless they didn't consider that the person they sent on the media rounds might actually get asked a question that was asked of the party leader the day before, and so didn't give them a prepared answer consisting of something more than a string of plosives

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Miftan posted:

Wouldn't the obvious comeback by TERFs be that they're not men, just confused lesbians or some other stupid nonsense like that?

We’ll yeah, but putting it in explicit terms makes the transphobia explicit

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Noxville posted:

We’ll yeah, but putting it in explicit terms makes the transphobia explicit

I think you're being very optimistic about them caring that the transphobia is explicit.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Communist Thoughts posted:

Yeah it seems to be an easy one, not all women have cervixes including trans women and intersex women, I'm not even sure it's correct to day all cis women have cervixes
There seems to be some stupid gotcha going around about trans women demanding cervical smear tests that is either based on something that happened once ever or just transphobic fever dreams.

The correct answer is that, yes, people with cervixes should have cervical smear tests and people without should not, and whether someone has one or not should be between them and whatever medical records their gynecologist accesses.

There's nothing more to it than that. Yes it might be a waste of time doing a cervical exam on a trans woman, in the same way that it would almost certainly be a waste of time doing one on a cis woman with CAIS, but that is a medical matter and only a medical matter. Anything more than that implies that there's some social situation where the person going down this path of debate would be comfortable asking someone if they have a cervix. Maybe that's what Nick Ferrari does in his spare time, but that isn't 'putting people on the spot' it's being a weirdo.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Communist Thoughts posted:

Yeah it seems to be an easy one, not all women have cervixes including trans women and intersex women, I'm not even sure it's correct to day all cis women have cervixes

I don't think that the cervix is removed in a hysterectomy. That may be why it's become the bigot's body part of choice to define a woman, after it was pointed out that women who had had double mastectomies or their uterus removed were still women.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Miftan posted:

Wouldn't the obvious comeback by TERFs be that they're not men, just confused lesbians or some other stupid nonsense like that?

Yes, but the correct response to that is to just say they are wrong.

But given that she apparently thinks trans women and women are diametrically opposed categories, I think the reason she would not say that is because she agrees with the terfs.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Miftan posted:

I think you're being very optimistic about them caring that the transphobia is explicit.

I guess I’m thinking not of the TERFs but if anyone listening to the interview who hasn’t really thought about it much. Most people are broadly supportive of trans right but probably aren't deeply enough into the discourse to know why a statement of ‘not everyone with a cervix is a woman’ is reasonable, or the viewpoints of the people arguing it. Helps to clearly point out the angle that people arguing against it are coming from

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Jedit posted:

I don't think that the cervix is removed in a hysterectomy. That may be why it's become the bigot's body part of choice to define a woman, after it was pointed out that women who had had double mastectomies or their uterus removed were still women.

nah it comes out

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Jel Shaker posted:

nah it comes out

Not always, but yeah.

TERFs won't necessarily know that though, it's just the continual ceding of ground as their nonsense is pointed out, while they busily open up new ideological fronts of nonsense elsewhere

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Guavanaut posted:

There seems to be some stupid gotcha going around about trans women demanding cervical smear tests that is either based on something that happened once ever or just transphobic fever dreams.

The correct answer is that, yes, people with cervixes should have cervical smear tests and people without should not, and whether someone has one or not should be between them and whatever medical records their gynecologist accesses.

There's nothing more to it than that. Yes it might be a waste of time doing a cervical exam on a trans woman, in the same way that it would almost certainly be a waste of time doing one on a cis woman with CAIS, but that is a medical matter and only a medical matter. Anything more than that implies that there's some social situation where the person going down this path of debate would be comfortable asking someone if they have a cervix. Maybe that's what Nick Ferrari does in his spare time, but that isn't 'putting people on the spot' it's being a weirdo.

I think it's as simple as all women of a certain age on a GP's list gets sent smear test reminders. That includes trans women. The problem arises that trans men no longer receive the reminders as an automatic thing.

Jedit posted:

I don't think that the cervix is removed in a hysterectomy. That may be why it's become the bigot's body part of choice to define a woman, after it was pointed out that women who had had double mastectomies or their uterus removed were still women.

There are 4 different types of hysterectomy, and the most common kind does remove the cervix:

total hysterectomy – the womb and cervix (neck of the womb) are removed; this is the most commonly performed operation
subtotal hysterectomy – the main body of the womb is removed, leaving the cervix in place
total hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy – the womb, cervix, fallopian tubes (salpingectomy) and ovaries (oophorectomy) are removed
radical hysterectomy – the womb and surrounding tissues are removed, including the fallopian tubes, part of the vagina, ovaries, lymph glands and fatty tissue

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

And they are worth different amounts of points in tony hawk pro skater.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
graham linehan pro stater.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Post something funny from Labour conference please, I've had a miserable morning painting two doors and it's taking forever and the paint goes and gets stuck loving everywhere (especially when you put your hand on the bit you just painted while leaning like a loving moron. And so have to take your gloves off. And then you do it again and now the paint is on your hands)

And today should've been a glorious day of playing Lost Judgement but probably going to only get a couple hours in. And same again tomorrow

So yes, I need something funny like Kieth pissing himself

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Not from the conference, but peep the last column

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1442048881165017091

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I had a lovely weekend painting, me. TFW you get the good frogtape that peels off jussssst right and leaves a nice smooth border hnnng

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Failed Imagineer posted:

I had a lovely weekend painting, me. TFW you get the good frogtape that peels off jussssst right and leaves a nice smooth border hnnng

Enjoying decorating is frankly unhinged and I hope you get the help you need before you do something dangerous.

(It could be that I'm the weirdo here. People keep saying "isn't it satisfying when you're done?" and no, not especially, I just have a mild sense of relief and sadness at time that wasn't spent procrastinating)

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Failed Imagineer posted:

I had a lovely weekend painting, me. TFW you get the good frogtape that peels off jussssst right and leaves a nice smooth border hnnng

I had a lovely weekend painting, newly skimmed plaster flaking off as i rollered over it.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



forkboy84 posted:

Enjoying decorating is frankly unhinged and I hope you get the help you need before you do something dangerous.

(It could be that I'm the weirdo here. People keep saying "isn't it satisfying when you're done?" and no, not especially, I just have a mild sense of relief and sadness at time that wasn't spent procrastinating)

Decorating can go gently caress itself but a weekend spent building IKEA furniture is incredibly satisfying.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I just put up a radiator cover using nano tape and ignored the painting that still needs doing.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

stev posted:

Decorating can go gently caress itself but a weekend spent building IKEA furniture is incredibly satisfying.

Especially if you’re drinking IKEA dark lager while you do it, it’s actually quite nice.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

stev posted:

Decorating can go gently caress itself but a weekend spent building IKEA furniture is incredibly satisfying.

Over the weekend I built banquette seating out of a bunch of KALLAX shelves, painted a hall and stairs in 2 colours as well as an ensuite bathroom, while finishing off The Stand on audiobook. Honestly good times

Lord Ludikrous posted:

Especially if you’re drinking IKEA dark lager while you do it, it’s actually quite nice.

Yeah it's really nice. The key to not getting into a massive argument with the missus in the middle of IKEA is to have a big slice of Daim cheesecake and a beer as soon as you get in the door, then totter around with a slight buzz on and get a taxi home. I pity the fools who go in dry

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Lord Ludikrous posted:

IKEA dark lager
Does it come like Wilko dark stout?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I like building random Chinese furniture, you end up with lots of clever and unexpected ways of doing things.
Plus a lot of chinese stuff is actually pretty dang good nowadays and a lot of expensive western stuff is... not

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



forkboy84 posted:

Post something funny from Labour conference please, I've had a miserable morning painting two doors and it's taking forever and the paint goes and gets stuck loving everywhere (especially when you put your hand on the bit you just painted while leaning like a loving moron. And so have to take your gloves off. And then you do it again and now the paint is on your hands)

And today should've been a glorious day of playing Lost Judgement but probably going to only get a couple hours in. And same again tomorrow

So yes, I need something funny like Kieth pissing himself

I really can find anything funny about Labour rn.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Trickjaw posted:

I really can find anything funny about Labour rn.

Polling numbers are pretty funny

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Failed Imagineer posted:

Over the weekend I built banquette seating out of a bunch of KALLAX shelves, painted a hall and stairs in 2 colours as well as an ensuite bathroom, while finishing off The Stand on audiobook. Honestly good times

I looked up the meaning of banquette after reading an article about Boris Johnson. Really makes you think.

IKEA furniture is the best.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I went to a place called the Aland islands in the southwestern finnish archipelago.



Seriously beatiful place. It's made up of one large island, several larger ones and then thousands of others.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The last chinese import thing I built they didn't put in four tubes so I was one shelf short, therefore I demand that we start a nuclear war with china as revenge for this injustice.

(on the plus side I was able to stick both kits together to make a slightly less than double height shelf unit because they used the same parts all the way up)

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Someone's gonna immolate themself in their kitchen before this is done.

https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1442241766300655620?s=20

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
I make a lot of my own furniture because I find the process of it just so satisfying. Love when a shelf fits perfectly into a dado in a bookcase, or a dovetail goes together first time. One of lifes exquisite pleasures.

peanut- posted:

Someone's gonna immolate themself in their kitchen before this is done.

https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1442241766300655620?s=20

This is explicitly illegal as well right?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
By the end of October we should have enough material for a FailArmy compilation video of people tripping and setting their local petrol station on fire

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Noxville posted:

I mean it’s pretty simple, if you consider trans men to be men then yes men can have a cervix. It shouldn’t be a struggle to put it in plain terms like that.
It's even more simple than that. All the stuff about cervixes and chromesomes and genitals is absolutely nobody's business except you, your doctor and your partner.

In all other areas of life, you treat people as the gender presentation they give you.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

peanut- posted:

Someone's gonna immolate themself in their kitchen before this is done.

https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1442241766300655620?s=20

If he starts collecting glass bottles, sugar & rags..... he MAY be a problem.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Just Another Lurker posted:

If he starts collecting glass bottles, sugar & rags..... he MAY be an problem. ally

FTFY

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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

serious gaylord posted:

I make a lot of my own furniture because I find the process of it just so satisfying. Love when a shelf fits perfectly into a dado in a bookcase, or a dovetail goes together first time. One of lifes exquisite pleasures.

This is explicitly illegal as well right?

No but yes. You definitely can't store it at home like that but its (i think) not technically illegal to transport it like that unless the police deem it unsafe which they surely would.

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