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Admiral Joeslop posted:What's the worst tag team to ever win a major tag title? Actual tag teams, not just two people thrown together on a whim. The Animal & Heidenreich version of Legion of Doom won the WWE Tag belts.
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forkboy84 posted:The Animal & Heidenreich version of Legion of Doom won the WWE Tag belts. Yeah, but unlike the Harris Twins, at least they're not literal loving nazi scum.
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Sep 29, 2021 00:29
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edogawa rando posted:Yeah, but unlike the Harris Twins, at least they're not literal loving nazi scum. Oh, if we're talking worst human beings rather than worst wrestlers then Brothers of Destruction
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Sep 29, 2021 00:37
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forkboy84 posted:Oh, if we're talking worst human beings rather than worst wrestlers then Brothers of Destruction At least they're not loving nazis... wait. At least one of them isn't a loving nazi.
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Sep 29, 2021 00:43
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The Gangstas. Think about New Jack's lovely working ability.... And then remind yourself that Mustafa was worse.
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Dawgstar posted:Maybe if you'd sent him to Memphis for a stretch which I understand had the rep of 'if you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere.' Between the loops forcing you to be adaptable and being just regular practice and working with some of the best people around you sort of had no choice to evolve. I was thinking about him staying in Japan, I hadn't even considered Memphis or the other holdout territories. What got me thinking about it is how AEW has handled Jade Cargill and about how Magee would be trained today.
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edogawa rando posted:Yeah, but unlike the Harris Twins, at least they're not literal loving nazi scum. wasn't heidenrich supposed to be a nazi that was frozen for decades?
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DEAR RICHARD posted:wasn't heidenrich supposed to be a nazi that was frozen for decades? the story is that was the original pitch for him and when vince heard it he just stood up and left the room
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DEAR RICHARD posted:wasn't heidenrich supposed to be a nazi that was frozen for decades? Yes, but that was a rejected pitch for a gimmick. By that logic, you might as well say that it's not Stone Cold, but rather, Chilly McFreeze Steve Austin that ushered in the Attitude Era at WrestleMania XIV.
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Alaois posted:the story is that was the original pitch for him and when vince heard it he just stood up and left the room People have always assumed that Vince walked out because the idea was too dumb, but isn't it more likely that he was just overawed by the idea?
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edogawa rando posted:Yes, but that was a rejected pitch for a gimmick. By that logic, you might as well say that it's not Stone Cold, but rather, Chilly McFreeze Steve Austin that ushered in the Attitude Era at WrestleMania XIV. steve "bearcat" austin
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edogawa rando posted:At least they're not loving nazis... wait. Which one is a nazi? I know Kane is a libertarian, but I don't think I've ever heard any nazi stuff.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What's the worst tag team to ever win a major tag title? Actual tag teams, not just two people thrown together on a whim. Men on a Mission won the WWF Tag Team Title; the story goes that Mabel couldn't get up from a cover quick enough so the ref had to count three
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Super Dan posted:Which one is a nazi? I know Kane is a libertarian, but I don't think I've ever heard any nazi stuff. Undertaker isn't an out and out Nazi (as opposed to the Harris Brothers with their SS rune tattoo) but he is a racist piece if poo poo
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Oh wow. Ever seen that before. Okay, yeah, nazi
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I'd seen that picture before but never read the text on the shirt under the bolts. What the gently caress?
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Something about fine art and Harley Davidsons? I know bikies love Nazi poo poo
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forkboy84 posted:People have always assumed that Vince walked out because the idea was too dumb, but isn't it more likely that he was just overawed by the idea? it was like marty playing guitar in back to the future, and the guy watching immediately picked up the phone to call people about it
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Seams posted:Something about fine art and Harley Davidsons? I know bikies love Nazi poo poo Blending Fine Art And Harley Davidson. I guess they're okay with some stuff mixing.
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If we're talking about just not very talented/over tag teams, late period WCW is not lacking in choices: in addition to the Harris Boys you also have KroniK, The Perfect Event, and the Natural Born Thrillers (teams like The Boogie Knights and Misfits in Action too, but Alex Wright and Chavo Guerrero were just stuck in bad gimmicks, not actively dogshit). WWF/E has plenty of contenders too: the Godwinns, the Headbangers, Right to Censor, La Resistance (FOUR TIME CHAMPS), The Spirit Squad, Deuce N Domino, The Corre, and the New Nexus all come to mind, though a few of those are more "awful gimmicks, decent workers" too. I don't even know who the hell half of these teams are, but post-WCW schism the NWA tag belts have been held by - The New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn & Bob Holly) - A team called xXx that doesn't involve Chris Daniels or Elix Skipper or Low Ki, - Team Extreme (not the Hardys) - The Heavenly Bodies (not featuring Pritchard, Lane, or del Ray) - The Shane Twins (aka The Gymini aka The Johnsons) Somehow that sort of "monmouth county's second greatest BON JOVI tribute band playing TONIGHT ON THE BOARDWALK!!!" version of tag teams annoys me more than like Deuce N Domino, who are poo poo all on their own
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Did the Nasty Boys ever have the belts? Can’t check at the moment.
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KroniK ruled. But I will concede they were awesomely bad.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Did the Nasty Boys ever have the belts? Can’t check at the moment. Like 4 or 5 times altogether Edit: 3 WCW, 1 WWE
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Zombie Lemur posted:I was thinking about him staying in Japan, I hadn't even considered Memphis or the other holdout territories. I feel like when Magee could have used it Memphis was still thriving enough to give him more than enough of an education, but somebody should feel free to correct me. I was thinking specifically of the story of how Rick Rude was bouncing around and just didn't Get It but working with the guys in Memphis and the nearly constant house shows were where Rude finally clued in. Like he was so stiff somebody (Dutch Mantell? One of the Fantastics?) told him to tease taking off his robe basically so it lessened the time he would get potato'd by Rude. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Dawgstar posted:I feel like when Magee could have used it Memphis was still thriving enough to give him more than enough of an education, but somebody should feel free to correct me. I was thinking specifically of the story of how Rick Rude was bouncing around and just didn't Get It but working with the guys in Memphis and the nearly constant house shows were where Rude finally clued in. Like he was so stiff somebody (Dutch Mantell? One of the Fantastics?) told him to tease taking off his robe basically so it lessened the time he would get potato'd by Rude. I know Mick Foley said he learned a ton in Memphis during the late 80's, if Magee had gone he would've been there around the same time or even earlier.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Did the Nasty Boys ever have the belts? Can’t check at the moment. I hate to be put in a situation to defend the Nasty Boys, but if you put them in a situation where they could brawl all over the building, they could be entertaining as hell. They had really fun matches with Cactus Jack/Maxx Payne and Public Enemy on WCW shows in the 90s. If WWE embraced that sort of match 8 or 9 years earlier, I'd be they'd be remembered more fondly.
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Zombie Lemur posted:On the topic of Tom Magee, could he have been salvaged? Dawgstar posted:Famously Ted DiBiase got a slightly better match out of him for the simple reason of instead of doing strikes that Magee no-sold because he didn't know how to sell, he just started punching Magee for real. NikkolasKing posted:So far as I know, The Hardyz most famous tag matches were all stipulation affairs. They brought the Ladders to TLC, after all.
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Given his leaping ability I wonder if he might have been better off being trained in a Lucha style
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I don't know all that much about non North American wrestling, just got back into it after awhile when AEW came out. I loved the focus on tag team wrestling, and I kind of expected a cool women's tag team division from the start. Is there a reason that never happened? Is it more important to establish the singles division first? Also, are there periods of time from around the globe that had like a serious women's tag team division full of fun teams? I would like to check those out. Tag teams are the best Edit: I am aware of the tournament and the recent match, and I loved all that poo poo. I'm just more curious why there hasn't been a focus on that stuff at all Sex Farm fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Poasty posted:I don't know all that much about non North American wrestling, just got back into it after awhile when AEW came out. I loved the focus on tag team wrestling, and I kind of expected a cool women's tag team division from the start. Is there a reason that never happened? Is it more important to establish the singles division first? Until quite recently I'd say that they had too shallow of a talent pool on the women's side to get a proper tag division going alongside the singles one. There's also the perennial AEW problem of having too many extremely cool and good talents who deserve to be on TV but too little time to feature them all.
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Poasty posted:I don't know all that much about non North American wrestling, just got back into it after awhile when AEW came out. I loved the focus on tag team wrestling, and I kind of expected a cool women's tag team division from the start. Is there a reason that never happened? Is it more important to establish the singles division first? I've heard good things about Impact's womens tag division from their thread, but never watched it so can't really comment. In terms of Joshi promotions, SEAdLINNNG in particular has a consistently incredible tag division and I'm a big fan of TJPW's as well
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Poasty posted:I don't know all that much about non North American wrestling, just got back into it after awhile when AEW came out. I loved the focus on tag team wrestling, and I kind of expected a cool women's tag team division from the start. Is there a reason that never happened? Is it more important to establish the singles division first? Please watch every SEAdLINNNG tag team championship match from the last year or so. I posted most of them in the match of the year thread.
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Poasty posted:Is there a reason that never happened? Just a very small talent pool to choose from. The original idea was that it was going to be a showcase for Joshi wrestling like the WCW Cruiserweight matches were a Lucha/Liger showcase. Local talent supporting a rotating cast of international workers. COVID put the kibosh on it. Women's wrestling never truly managed to get further than a side show attraction or sexual titillation in the west after Moolah and Billy Wolfe slowly destroyed all of Mildred Burke's hard work until Shimmer, NXT, and the Women's Revolution (which current WWE is trying to reverse). So there's only about one generation deep of true talent and dedicated trainers at the moment and most of them either in Impact or WWE. Britt Baker, for example, was trained by Candice LeRae and Johnny Gargano. Most of the best women wrestlers in AEW were seasoned by trips to Japan. See Thunder Rosa being absolutely hopeless in Lucha Underground before she trained in MMA and went to TJPW. This lack of talent in the west is compounded by the fact that women's wrestling in Japan basically died in 00s, despite some valorous attempts to save it, very slowly recovered over 10s, and even now when promotions have stopped shuttering left and right, exists in a fallen state. The Joshi dark ages were a large enough interruption that it's arguable whether the best of today reach the heights of prime All Japan Womens and its competitors in the 80s and 90s (some people love the 70s as well). Much of it available here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnFZKoc1UcDgdF6pDLevx3Q and here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC32X24xrKsOcSs8v1SErk8g/videos That's not to say there's no hope, particularly since AEW came around and values high level women's wrestling for its own sake. fez_machine fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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TheKingslayer posted:KroniK ruled. But I will concede they were awesomely bad. Mideon/P.I. Godwinn competed in two different tag teams as two different characters in the WWF; I wonder how many people have done that? If he and Viscera had actually won the title, he'd probably be the only guy to pull that off. Admiral Joeslop posted:What's the worst tag team to ever win a major tag title? Actual tag teams, not just two people thrown together on a whim. Worst people: Harris Twins Worst workers: Men on a Mission Worst storyline: Billy and Chuck
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morbidly curious about the all asia tag title run of TARU and Big Daddy Voodoo
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Also, what happened between TARU and Super Hate? There was a fight and Super Hate suffered brain damage?
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Halloween Jack posted:
Does Kane as Fake Diesel count? I can't remember if Fake Razor and him was a tag team
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I don't see why not. It's not like they acknowledge that they're the same guy. He never won any titles as Isaac Yankem or Diesel, did he?
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