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The Klowner posted:
closest mark will ever get to going 'oh my god please stop asking me this question every loving day'
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fadam posted:80 bucks of Ragavan is worth more than 80 bucks of jank. LG is right, but I don't see anything overly egregious in the first few decks. It's worse on Arena where an all-star like Goldspan Dragon technically costs the same as like Sunstreak Phoenix or whatever so you're really punished for buying suboptimal cards for fun/janky decks. I don’t see any expensive bad cards either. Most entries in that list are relatively old though and prices have changed due to commander players probably. In general it seems like a good idea to go for a budget deck in paper if you don’t know your local meta or if you don’t know if you enjoy playing the deck. You can absolutely lose every game at your LGS with a top tier deck if everybody is prepared for it. But having a clear upgrade path for a budget deck is is important in my opinion. Many of the entries on that list don’t have that.
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Sleep better at night knowing that that Mark has basically no say on if the reserved list is ever abolished.
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Sickening posted:Sleep better at night knowing that that Mark has basically no say on if the reserved list is ever abolished. whyt if you sold your poo poo right loving now and then they print 50cent duals?
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Sickening posted:Sleep better at night knowing that that Mark has basically no say on if the reserved list is ever abolished. He wants it gone, which it should be
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Sep 29, 2021 12:09
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If they want to reprint reserved list cards they can just add an extra line of text to any of those cards. It's a bummer for those who want to play Vintage, but it's not like there's actual creative blockers from them reprinting em'. They could, tomorrow, print:quote:Badderlands, Mountain/Swamp: or quote:Gaea's Bosom, Legendary Land
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quote:Has any discussion taken place about simply creating strictly better versions of all the cards on the reserve list by giving them say a very minor upside thereby not being very functionally identical? I'm sure you can imagine a hundred ways so I won't list any, but the originals would still see use I'm sure in formats like Commander while solving the main issue for eternal formats. Has this ever been considered? Maro posted:I can’t get into details, but I don’t think you understand the core problem. Undermining the point of the Reserved List without technically getting rid of the Reserved List doesn’t solve the problem. https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/663607844317298688/has-any-discussion-taken-place-about-simply
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The World Inferno posted:If they want to reprint reserved list cards they can just add an extra line of text to any of those cards. It's a bummer for those who want to play Vintage, but it's not like there's actual creative blockers from them reprinting em'. They could, tomorrow, print: But the spirit of the reserved list!
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Sep 29, 2021 14:51
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Goon finds One Weird Trick to get around the reserved list. Collectors hate them!
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Sep 29, 2021 14:57
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Reprint all the reserves list cards but create a new keyword that says you have to be in your underwear to play them
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Sep 29, 2021 14:59
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Who doesn't wear underwear?
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odiv posted:Who doesn't wear underwear? 
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Sep 29, 2021 15:07
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The more I read about the reserved list the more it seems that the problem isn’t legal liability so much as one extremely senior WOTC or Hasbro person who really likes that it exists
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Sep 29, 2021 16:02
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It adds exclusivity and FOMO to everything they do
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Reprint all the reserves list cards but create a new keyword that says you have to be in your underwear to play them create a new version that says you have to have practiced basic hygiene to use them
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Sep 29, 2021 16:36
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If they start printing Reserve List cards (or functional reprints with slight tweaks) that opens to the door to the conversation of why can't WOTC just reprint enough of every expensive card to bring costs down and make the game more accessible to new players, or even just shift to direct sales and custom ordering through whatever subsidiary or partner. I think that happens eventually, but they're not there yet. Including Tropical Island as a conjure effect in the digital only cards feels like a pretty significant trial balloon though.
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Sep 29, 2021 16:58
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Mat Cauthon posted:If they start printing Reserve List cards (or functional reprints with slight tweaks) that opens to the door to the conversation of why can't WOTC just reprint enough of every expensive card to bring costs down and make the game more accessible to new players, or even just shift to direct sales and custom ordering through whatever subsidiary or partner. Eh, they've had plenty of reserved list cards reprinted plenty on mtgo.
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Mat Cauthon posted:If they start printing Reserve List cards (or functional reprints with slight tweaks) that opens to the door to the conversation of why can't WOTC just reprint enough of every expensive card to bring costs down and make the game more accessible to new players, or even just shift to direct sales and custom ordering through whatever subsidiary or partner. These doors are not only open but has been pretty much nonstop discussed since forever ago. & it does seem like they've actually done a good job with this as of late. My mental calendar slots it as to when we got the Damnation reprint as to when a very long dry spell for competitive cards finally started seeing reprints again. Lone Goat posted:Goon finds One Weird Trick to get around the reserved list. Collectors hate them! The real 'one weird trick' is to just make proxies 
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Mat Cauthon posted:If they start printing Reserve List cards (or functional reprints with slight tweaks) that opens to the door to the conversation of why can't WOTC just reprint enough of every expensive card to bring costs down and make the game more accessible to new players, or even just shift to direct sales and custom ordering through whatever subsidiary or partner. if you pull up a vintage decklist on mtggoldfish and switch the pricing source to modo, you'll see that like a ragavan costs 10x as much as a black lotus
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Sep 29, 2021 18:08
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The most interesting this is how Maro always says how he's not allowed to talk about it.
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Sep 29, 2021 18:09
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Tbf I wouldn't be surprised if Mark gets literal death threats every time it's brought up. Nerds can be really lovely.
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But if the reserve list got reprinted, then maybe some other people could play $1 million rock/paper/scissors, and we wouldn't be special anymore! Can you imagine what would happen if we didn't cater exclusively to the whims of early adopters, rather than players who weren't even born when some of these cards were printed? In all seriousness, the game as presented below looks boring as hell, and I'm glad MTG evolved away from it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96sukgjTZk4
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Sep 29, 2021 18:56
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The Klowner posted:
People should stop bitching about the Reserved list. Legacy is a dead format anyway.
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mcmagic posted:People should stop bitching about the Reserved list. Legacy is a dead format anyway. Legacy tournaments can pull in as many people as modern though? At least where I live there have been a few 40+ player legacy tournaments. There was the pit open, and the big missouri tournament that just got cancelled. People want to play legacy
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mcmagic posted:People should stop bitching about the Reserved list. Legacy is a dead format anyway. there's a bunch of modern set design a 1WW first strike flying 2/2 would fit just fine into, but they can't do it because of the reserved list
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Arivia posted:there's a bunch of modern set design a 1WW first strike flying 2/2 would fit just fine into, but they can't do it because of the reserved list Give it vigilance too 
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Sep 29, 2021 19:05
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Arivia posted:there's a bunch of modern set design a 1WW first strike flying 2/2 would fit just fine into, but they can't do it because of the reserved list Isn't changing creature types enough to get around it there?
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Sep 29, 2021 19:15
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mcmagic posted:People should stop bitching about the Reserved list. Legacy is a dead format anyway. Legacy and Vintage are pretty dead, but there's this up and coming format that's pretty popular and still has RL cards legal in it.
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Sep 29, 2021 19:19
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If I were WotC I would simply ban the reserve list in Commander, the format they absolutely control, and not touch EDH, the format they have no influence over whatsoever.
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Thranguy posted:Isn't changing creature types enough to get around it there? doesn't look like it no https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3Aflying+type%3Acreature+color%3DW+mana%3A%7BW%7D%7BW%7D+cmc%3D3
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Aranan posted:Legacy and Vintage are pretty dead, but there's this up and coming format that's pretty popular and still has RL cards legal in it. Despite Leperflesh getting hoodwinked into including it in the OP, Premodern is neither popular nor up and coming.
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legacy is the most fun constructed format to watch imo though I've never played it. also the content creators who play it (at least the ones who make content on YouTube) are better. also imho
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Thranguy posted:Isn't changing creature types enough to get around it there? Nah, even by the letter creature type alone isn't enough.
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Legacy probably gets more play than pioneer right now.
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Arivia posted:doesn't look like it no https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3Aflying+type%3Acreature+color%3DW+mana%3A%7BW%7D%7BW%7D+cmc%3D3 it seems like they've decided 1WW 2/2 w/ flying first strike is way too strong. so for 2WW you get those attributes w/ an added 0/+1. IMO... they're not going to break RL anytime soon so it just seems pointless to talk about whether they should break it. my opinion is that even if it happens, they're not going to be flooding the market with reprints anyways.
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neaden posted:Legacy probably gets more play than pioneer right now. It'll be interesting to see if the pioneer precons next month make a blip or no. I'm guessing no, but it feels like a format that starts more recently than Modern really should emerge at some point.
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The did just now print a strictly better* roc of kher ridges. *technically 4 power and toughness can be a liability, I guess that's the excuse... Sort of surprised that this is the first improvement on 3/3 flying for R3, honestly.
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I think part of the problem with Pioneer is just that it's a really stupid name.
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It was a failed reset of modern.
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