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Vintersorg posted:There was that article recently about them being hesitant cause mennonities were persecuted. My loving wife is menno, her entire family obviously is too and the direct family are all vaxxed! It’s such BS. I quite agree. Didn't the Navajo Nation in the US hit 100% vaccination or as close as possible to it? If anyone has a reason to be nervous of white people bullshit, it's literally any Indigenous group ever.
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Sep 30, 2021 02:34
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Yeah, all the Mennonites I know and are part of my extended family are vaccinated. It's just dumbfuck religious fundamentalists in the south who think they know better than anyone else. They edited that article to confirm that the RM of Stanley has the worst vaccination rates in the country, and they're so god drat proud of it.
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Sep 30, 2021 02:46
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Vintersorg posted:There was that article recently about them being hesitant cause mennonities were persecuted. My loving wife is menno, her entire family obviously is too and the direct family are all vaxxed! It’s such BS. Yeah my sister-in-law is a Mennonite pastor and she is adamant about people getting their vaccines. Especially since she has a 2 year-old who isn't allowed to get the shot yet. Every major religion is built around the idea of supporting and protecting your family and neighbors, because that's how you maintain a functioning village. This "but what about MY discomfort" hyper-individualistic mindset that managed to take such strong roots needed to come out in the open so it could be squashed one way or another. Absolute freedom by definition would be anarchy, we have to have limits to make this thing we call society.
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Sep 30, 2021 02:58
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Ah yes, the moment when people realize mixing religion, public health and politics is not a good idea!
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Sep 30, 2021 03:02
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half cocaine posted:Ah yes, the moment when people realize mixing religion, public health and politics is not a good idea! As long as religion exists it will always have a role in politics. At the practical level, it's where a group of people draw their morals and direction from, and that will always be expressed by the individual with their voting choices, and with groups as voting blocks to be appealed to by people that think they can get their support. But as a person that's followed a faith all his life, I say it's best to leave physics to the physicists, and metaphysics to those interested in studying those. These 2 have built into their definition the fact that they are separate, it's never worked well for either side when people tried to blend them.
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Sep 30, 2021 03:25
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Really? Is it really about ethics? Or is it just about power? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/opinion/abortion-evangelicals-conservatives.html
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Sep 30, 2021 03:47
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half cocaine posted:Really? Is it really about ethics? Or is it just about power? I did mention that some people use religion to grab voting blocks. Whatever their true motives for doing that are is moot for practical purposes, since politicians are notoriously good at not caring about hypocrisy.
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Sep 30, 2021 04:03
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Orthanc6 posted:As long as religion exists it will always have a role in politics. At the practical level, it's where a group of people draw their morals and direction from, and that will always be expressed by the individual with their voting choices, and with groups as voting blocks to be appealed to by people that think they can get their support. I found with my faith that it really boils down to having basic respect for your fellow human being (I'm a rare breed). It gets difficult when you are faced with hostility just for the simple fact you are Christian and willing to just have a conversation. For the record, I'm pro-LGBT and believe VERY strongly in "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Mention that and get ready for "oh...so being gay is a SIN?!" not that I disagree with what society felt growing up.
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Sep 30, 2021 04:38
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https://twitter.com/AHS_media/status/1443292077509332995 "Physicians and staff in some of our Edmonton Zone ICUs are receiving harassing phone calls to their units from people questioning patient numbers and capacity. " gently caress this garbage province and its garbage people. E: they don't have time to answer, really, because they're busy doing this: https://twitter.com/NeejaB/status/1443432026506338306?s=20 Albino Squirrel fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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Sep 30, 2021 06:03
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Albino Squirrel posted:https://twitter.com/AHS_media/status/1443292077509332995 This is such an invitation for ICU nurses to vent their frustrations and tell Kevin J Johnston fans that "I'll see you soon". I don't get why they are declining the opportunity.
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Sep 30, 2021 06:10
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Everything we love and cherish and enjoy is built on the bones of children and the suffering of generations. Canada is a bad country.
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Sep 30, 2021 14:50
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Orthanc6 posted:As long as religion exists it will always have a role in politics. At the practical level, it's where a group of people draw their morals and direction from, and that will always be expressed by the individual with their voting choices, and with groups as voting blocks to be appealed to by people that think they can get their support. It's a religion but not like, Christianity. We are seeing bleedover from the states, this is all just a Canadian version of the whole urban/east coast vs. rural/mid and south west split that dominates US politics and is having exactly the same effect on opinions on vaccines. That split itself is a repackaged version of the Union vs. Confederate split in the American civic cult, i.e. the way the citizenry understand, perceive and demonstrate being 'American'. This has very little to do with actual Christian theology and almost everything to do with a set of cultural identities defined by the absolute rejection of the other. There's a whole bunch of political and economic splits that get sublimated into this divide but the core is these people that refuse vaccines fundamentally believe the current Canadian federal government is illegitimate and immoral, and so perceive any act or request by it that way. It's not a position you can negotiate with; they reject the very premise that, for lack of a better term, 'our' side can tell the truth or deal in good faith. Liberal centrism requires trying to thread the needle between all sides and try to bring people from the far camps in but that fundamentally will not work this time and that's the trip up. The solution would require the federal government coming down, declaring an emergency and forcing lockdowns and vaccine requirements, with some level of enforcement. It wouldn't be popular with a bunch of people but it would receive majority support nationally I'd imagine and would only alienate this faction, which despises anything left of the Tories anyway. People would scream about over reach but there are times when delegation of power and authority to more local bodies impedes solutions. People will say it wouldn't be constitutional but I guarantee this is the kind of moment that would let a leader basically override any kind of stop like that and we would adapt our understanding afterward, constitution is just a piece of paper at the end of the day and unprecedented times are exactly when systems either adapt or crumble. I very much doubt the liberals would do so though, because that requires staking out lines for a clear confrontation and they avoid those at all costs. But that's just a losing fight in the long run. e: to specific current federal government Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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Sep 30, 2021 14:50
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You're not wrong, but man oh man would there be some strong resistance to another Trudeau invoking the war measures / emergencies act.
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Sep 30, 2021 15:11
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enki42 posted:You're not wrong, but man oh man would there be some strong resistance to another Trudeau invoking the war measures / emergencies act. oh it would be an absolute nightmare for sure but if he stayed the course he would come out favorably I think, if he didn't then gently caress up dealing with the pandemic. The Trudeau name would become an invective in parts of the country more so than ever before but it would also get him some measure of support for not backing down and fixing things. But I genuinely don't think he has the desire and will to engage in that kind of fight. He will avoid it. Which is gonna mean bad things keep going for a while, and I dunno how that shakes out long-term for the federal gov, will they be able to lay this all on Kenney? Maybe. Regional split just gonna get deeper over this though.
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Sep 30, 2021 15:25
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This Trudeau is pathetic. Needs more "Just watch me." energy.
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Sep 30, 2021 15:50
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If the feds didn't intervene in Ontario when The Coward Douglas Ford bumbled into the 3rd wave and 4k cases a day, they won't intervene outside of token assistance to the Blasted Lands because the atonal shrieking of The Bastard Jason Kenney would blow out eardrums from 3 provinces away.
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Sep 30, 2021 15:52
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MA-Horus posted:If the feds didn't intervene in Ontario when The Coward Douglas Ford bumbled into the 3rd wave and 4k cases a day, they won't intervene outside of token assistance to the Blasted Lands because the atonal shrieking of The Bastard Jason Kenney would blow out eardrums from 3 provinces away. yeah, they are gonna stay the course and let the blame fall on Provincial leadership. Which is probably an okay political move but seriously sucks for Alberta. 
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Sep 30, 2021 15:54
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81%+ of Ontarians 12+ are fully vaxxed 86%+ has at least 1 dose That's encouraging at least, we aren't stuck in the high 50s/low 60s like the US appear to be
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Sep 30, 2021 15:59
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McGavin posted:This Trudeau is pathetic. Needs more "Just watch me." energy. 
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Sep 30, 2021 16:57
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McGavin posted:This Trudeau is pathetic. Needs more "Just watch me." energy. I’ve seen Albertans saying this, if you want to know just how upset this province is at the moment.
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Sep 30, 2021 17:29
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Covid is a great test of political leadership. It's a recurring problem, so you can't just claim coincidence or bad luck. It likely arrived within the current term, so you can't credibly blame the previous government. It's fast enough that you can't leave it for the next government to clean up. And it's evenly spread around the world, so there's a whole planet of comparisons to your dumb rear end. There really is nowhere to hide.
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Sep 30, 2021 17:41
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That's what makes it so "great" - covid got so bad in Manitoba that we bullied Pallister down.
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Sep 30, 2021 17:46
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Vintersorg posted:That's what makes it so "great" - covid got so bad in Manitoba that we bullied Pallister down. Yeah he totally hosed it with Covid but the straw that broke the camel's back was actually when Indigenous protestors pulled down a statue of a dead white lady and at the next press conference that had nothing to do with that whatsoever he couldn't resist going off script and talking about it while sounding like a racist from the 1950s. That's the part that's equally funny and depressing. I'm not convinced he would have gone down if that press conference hadn't happened.
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Sep 30, 2021 18:20
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Why exactly does Jason Kenney think the half assed Johnson & Johnson vaccine will save Alberta? This was in the press release yesterday that he wants Trudeau to send 20,000 J&J shots to the province.
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Sep 30, 2021 18:25
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Yes, 20,000 doses of a vaccine that nobody's going to take.
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Sep 30, 2021 18:30
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Arc Hammer posted:Why exactly does Jason Kenney think the half assed Johnson & Johnson vaccine will save Alberta? This was in the press release yesterday that he wants Trudeau to send 20,000 J&J shots to the province. Maybe if we can load the up into dart guns.....
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Sep 30, 2021 18:33
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McGavin posted:Yes, 20,000 doses of a vaccine that nobody's going to take. I work with someone who is still not vaxed but say they would take the J&J because it is not mRNA. I can argue stats, side effects, and effectiveness all day but they have it in their head that mRNA can't be trusted.
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Sep 30, 2021 18:50
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DrBox posted:I work with someone who is still not vaxed but say they would take the J&J because it is not mRNA. I can argue stats, side effects, and effectiveness all day but they have it in their head that mRNA can't be trusted. I'm not antivax, I've just done my research and have my heart set on the worst one
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Sep 30, 2021 19:00
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DrBox posted:I work with someone who is still not vaxed but say they would take the J&J because it is not mRNA. I can argue stats, side effects, and effectiveness all day but they have it in their head that mRNA can't be trusted. Isn't AZ still around? I'm sure they could get that one if they asked, It's also not mRNA
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Sep 30, 2021 19:03
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Arc Hammer posted:Why exactly does Jason Kenney think the half assed Johnson & Johnson vaccine will save Alberta? This was in the press release yesterday that he wants Trudeau to send 20,000 J&J shots to the province. It's extra disingenuous because Canada still hasn't received any J&J deliveries and Kenney would know that.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:12
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DrBox posted:I work with someone who is still not vaxed but say they would take the J&J because it is not mRNA. I can argue stats, side effects, and effectiveness all day but they have it in their head that mRNA can't be trusted. My wife's friend married an idiot ex-Yank who still isn't vaccinated and is waiting for the J&J. He is also wanting to move back to the states to a place that still "respects freedom". You know, places like Texas or Florida.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:17
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Madkal posted:My wife's friend married an idiot ex-Yank who still isn't vaccinated and is waiting for the J&J. He is also wanting to move back to the states to a place that still "respects freedom". You know, places like Texas or Florida. Yeah apparently this isn't that uncommon among the still unvaxxed. Whether they will actually get vaxxed if J&J is made available or just come-up with a new problem (I'm imagining something about poor manufacturing quality) is to be seen. https://twitter.com/akurjata/status/1443321474882834432?s=19
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Sep 30, 2021 19:26
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DrBox posted:I work with someone who is still not vaxed but say they would take the J&J because it is not mRNA. I can argue stats, side effects, and effectiveness all day but they have it in their head that mRNA can't be trusted. Goosed it. posted:Yeah apparently this isn't that uncommon among the still unvaxxed. Jesus Christ that's almost worse than just being antivax
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Sep 30, 2021 19:30
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Postess with the Mostest posted:I'm not antivax, I've just done my research and have my heart set on the worst one It is apparently pretty good after a booster, according to J&J's trial. Although I wonder how many people with undoubtedly well-informed concerns about mRNA would take that second shot if it's approved.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:32
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Why don't they take the Az instead, it works the same as the j+j and there is a ton knocking around still
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Sep 30, 2021 19:33
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I know a guy who was considering flying to the US to get J&J because and I quote "Joe Rogan says it's the safest one".
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Sep 30, 2021 19:46
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I feel like if you're taking medical advice from Joe "God's perfect idiot" Rogan, sooner or later you're going to get what you deserve.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:50
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Kenney won't face a leadership review until April 8-9 2022. Unless the party tears itself apart before then.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:53
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I was thinking about holding out for J&J in fall 2020 because it is based on the 'dead virus' model we've used historically for vaccines, so it was a more proven tech that I trusted. But when my time came I took AZ and then my 2nd was Moderna. In other words, whatever was available because I'm not a total idiot.
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Sep 30, 2021 19:59
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Another Bill posted:I was thinking about holding out for J&J in fall 2020 because it is based on the 'dead virus' model we've used historically for vaccines, so it was a more proven tech that I trusted. J&J is actually an Adenovirus vector vaccine like AZ. The inactivated virus ones are Sinopharm and Sinovac.
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Sep 30, 2021 20:01
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