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Your Gay Uncle posted:Does David Scatino show up? Our kids go to same school Get back in your loving hole!
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Sep 24, 2021 02:36
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One thing I will say is that it’s very much the Dickie-focused movie we were originally promised. There is a lot of Tony, but he’s definitely not as much of a focus as the marketing makes out.
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Sep 29, 2021 18:01
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My spouse and I haven't been able to buy orange juice together our entire ten-year relationship without doing that routine, there's something wrong with us.
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Sep 29, 2021 18:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJLDHnuHkg Sopranos memes/mashups/whatever are pretty hot nowadays.
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Sep 29, 2021 19:21
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Is the jacket in the movie?
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Sep 29, 2021 21:59
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Jose Oquendo posted:Is the jacket in the movie? Wasn't the jacket from the 80s? I know they played around with alot of people's ages to get almost everyone and everything into the Newark riots, but that would be a bit too far. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/magazine/sopranos.html A long article from the NYTimes about modern Sopranos fandom and why so many people turn to it now, a generation later. quote:Like many young people, Tony is a world-historically spoiled man who is nevertheless cursed, thanks to timing, to live out the end of an enterprise he knows on some level to be immoral. It gives him panic attacks, but he’s powerless to find a way out. Thus trapped — and depressed — it’s not so hard for him to allow himself a few passes, to refuse to become better because the world is so rotten anyway. Tony’s predicament was once his to suffer alone, but history has unfolded in such a way as to render his condition nearly universal. And if people still see a monster in Tony, then the monster is themselves: a twisted reflection of a generation whose awakening to the structures that control them came in tandem with a growing aversion to personal accountability in the face of these systems. The environmental degradation aspect of Chase growing up in North Jersey and seeing his childhood being turned into McMansions also rings true to what my father told me about his childhood a few towns over. When his parents moved them from Queens to North Jersey in the early 50s, all the homes in their neighborhood and in the surrounding towns were summer cottages: homes for the city folk to use for a vacation if they could afford it. Everything else was farms. When I was a kid in the 90s, there were still a few farms left, even next to our neighborhood there was a cow pasture I would walk through to get to the local mall (that is now dead.) But they're all gone now - cow pasture replaced with artificial turf for a high school football field. I do think the article has a very wrong viewing of everyone returning back home from Italy though. quote:The show puts all this American social and cultural rot in front of characters wholly incapable of articulating it, if they even notice it. What is, for me, one of the show’s most memorable scenes has no dialogue at all. Tony and his crew have just returned from a business trip to Italy, during which they were delighted with the Old Country but also confronted with the degree of their alienation from their own heritage. They’re off the plane, and in a car traveling through Essex County. As the camera pans by the detritus of their disenchanted world — overpasses, warehouses — Tony, Paulie and Christopher are seeing their home with fresh eyes, and maybe wondering if their ancestors made a bad trade or if, somewhere along the line, something has gone horribly wrong. But we don’t know: For once, these arrogant, stupid and loquacious men are completely silent. Jerusalem was pretty correct here, I think all of them, even Tony, is looking at decaying Essex county with some happiness in their hearts, because it is what they know, and what the love to some extent.
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Sep 30, 2021 01:56
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GoutPatrol posted:Wasn't the jacket from the 80s? I know they played around with alot of people's ages to get almost everyone and everything into the Newark riots, but that would be a bit too far. i think that's also maybe not quite interpreting the italy scenes right, either. it depicts naples as being absolutely lousy with graffiti and garbage (i doubt they had to work very hard for that effect; i haven't been to naples, but i've heard things, and i have been to rome and it looked right to me)
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Sep 30, 2021 02:12
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Kinda funny to insert only quotes from podcast and Twitter stuff into a NYT article about decline. Don't see why he can't make his own pasta either...seems strange
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Sep 30, 2021 04:53
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Ah yes, young people, who are having to work ever shittier jobs for ever shittier wages, with no hope of ever owning property or retiring or having any real stability in their lives, facing the now essentially certain collapse of civilisation in the face of overwhelming climate catastrophe, are world-historically spoiled (presumably cos they have iphones), and are content to whinge on their instagrams and tiktoks instead of taking to the streets and protesting, which they haven't been doing at all over the last few years
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Sep 30, 2021 13:06
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It's similar to all the "Ten years since Occupation Wall Street. Why did it fail? Why haven't they tried again?" conveniently ignoring the fact that hundreds of local, state, and federal laws were passed to severely restrict any activity that would allow for such a thing ever again.
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Sep 30, 2021 13:23
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I’m so excited for you all to watch the movie tomorrow!! Aaahhhhhh!!!!!!
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Sep 30, 2021 15:56
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Escobarbarian posted:I’m so excited for you all to watch the movie tomorrow!! Aaahhhhhh!!!!!! Any idea when it goes live? If it's midnight I might stay up.
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Sep 30, 2021 16:08
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New TV episodes go up on HBO Max at midnight eastern, but films haven’t always. It’s probably worth staying up to check!
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Sep 30, 2021 16:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJLDHnuHkg
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Sep 30, 2021 18:57
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drat you really couldn’t be bothered to read this page huh
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Sep 30, 2021 19:52
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Pope Corky the IX posted:My spouse and I haven't been able to buy orange juice together our entire ten-year relationship without doing that routine 12 years, same. What a scene- amazing delivery too
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Oct 1, 2021 08:20
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Judging from torrent sites I think the movie went up half an hour ago. Enjoy, friends!!!!
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Oct 1, 2021 08:29
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Yikes what an unfocused mess. That was almost astonishingly bad.
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Oct 1, 2021 10:32
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nah it’s good. just not amazing
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Oct 1, 2021 10:41
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that pulp scene is very costanza
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Oct 1, 2021 11:32
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Just finished watching it. I don't know that to think. I'll gather my thoughts and type some stuff later maybe.
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Oct 1, 2021 13:15
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I liked it more than I thought. Not as good as any of the good mob movies or the best or good of the show, but "okay." Maybe it was because Junior had me laughing throughout.
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Oct 1, 2021 13:15
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PostNouveau posted:Sorry, it didn't have Junior saying Tony doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete in front of all the girl cousins. 0/10 congratulations 
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Oct 1, 2021 13:31
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Some random thoughts in no particular order: Some of the references were extremely forced, Junior's varsity line especially. I think Corey Stoll did a fine job with what he was given. Michael Gandolfini managed to pull it off, this was what I was most nervous about but I'd be fine with a sequel focusing on Tony now that I know what he's capable of. Hollywood Dick was a character I loved to hate. I'm 90% sure that the prison scenes with his twin brother were in Dickie's head though. Magaro nailed the Silvio impression but it felt like something out of MadTV. Paulie and Pussy were decent. I also like the idea of 'drug addict Dickie' being a rumor spread by Livia because he had medicine in his pocket that he was supposed to give to her. Speaking of Livia: I loved her in this. Almost every scene felt rushed and unfocused. I liked Joey Diaz's character being a relative of Pussy (father maybe?) and I'm glad that Chase didn't forget about Jerry Anastasia. Not great, not terrible.
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Oct 1, 2021 13:35
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R. Guyovich posted:congratulations lol Finally put to screen
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Oct 1, 2021 14:07
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I think the reference that felt the most forced to me was Johnny shooting through Livia’s beehive. The one part of this movie that’s really stuck in my head is Tony trying to help his mother/get her to take meds. It’s so heartbreaking, especially with her comments at the funeral. Mentioned this when I first saw it but Junior being the one behind Dickie’s death is so hilarious and perfect. As soon as Dickie laughed at him that much I hoped it would be him and the movie didn’t disappoint.
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Oct 1, 2021 14:12
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I know we're gonna be talking about the movie a lot here but I want to get back to some ideas I posted regarding how sloppy a few of the crew's hits were and how weird it is that they never came up again or led to an investigation. Getting back to when Chris and Paulie bricked that waiter. Someone answered "who's going to testify against the mob?" Fair enough. Let's forget eye witnesses. So that aside, we have a murder here that’s easily connected to known mobsters. At a minimum, I’d expect it’d be enough to bring a few in for questioning and shake them down a little bit. What alibis could they have? It’s probably too early for rampant security cameras in a restaurant but, again, it was a CASINO – so cameras everywhere – and the rest of the crew were going into gamble just after the check was paid as the murder happened. Paulie and Chris didn’t even hide the body so it would have been found before the rest of the crew even left. They paid cash so no credit card tracking BUT…they also ran out on their tab! Casinos aren’t big on getting stiffed. Of course one of the other guys can easily pay it but…NO ONE is asking “hey, what happened to Juan?” or whatever the server’s name was? Surely he had other tables? Maybe not since he was working like a 12 top or whatever but still. The restaurant was busy and management is going to notice a front of house worker being missing pretty quickly. After 15 or 30 minutes tops, coworkers are going to be looking for him and the rest of the mob will be at the craps tables when the body is found, right? Cops would be called. So we have a body in the parking lot and 10 or 12 known mobsters in the casino along with an unpaid tab when the police arrive. I honestly thought this was going to be a loose thread that would be explored later to hang some drama on the crew and a lot tension on Paulie and Chris. I doubt you can lift fingerprints off a brick but it's still a sloppy murder. Easily as connectable as Tony dropping his gun in the snow I would think? Or almost anyway. Another one is when Chris whacks the corrupt cop who "killed his dad". You better freaking believe that, as an ex cop, the police would put a ton of resources into solving that. There are prints all over the living room area (the handcuffs and the TV in particular) and also DNA on the cigarette butt (DNA was a thing by then - see OJ case). Cops are extremely diligent about investigating murders of other cops. If what Tony said is true (I don't think it is), then also right there they have a connection to Chris and a solid lead. .. TL/DR: How did Paulie, Chris and the crew not get tied to the dead waiter and how did Chris not tied to the dead cop chained to a staircase? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 15:57
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BiggerBoat posted:I know we're gonna be talking about the movie a lot here but I want to get back to some ideas I posted regarding how sloppy a few of the crew's hits were and how weird it is that they never came up again or led to an investigation. I wouldn't worry about the cops, nobody knows them down there.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:07
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Vichan posted:I wouldn't worry about the cops, nobody knows them down there. Wait. OK. But still, we're not going to have a "who was at the table he was serving? We'd like to interview them." conversation here when the motherfucker shows up dead in the parking lot? They're going to interview the last people who saw him alive and they KNOW he was brained like 30 minutes ago so the killer(s) were likely THERE. EDIT: And what about the cops who worked with "Dicky Montolsanti's killer"? Even if he was corrupt, these guys look out for their own and would have combed that loving house. What if the cop didn't smoke yet there's a loving cigarette? There was an ashtray there but it was empty and back then it was common for non smokers to have ashtrays out since smoking indoors was still generally accepted. Even if the cop DID smoke, there's just the one cigarette. Cops would check that out and go full on (DNA tests) with an investigation for a murdered cop done execution style. If he WAS a smoker, his friends on the force would probably even know if it was on or off brand for him. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 16:10
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In the deleted scene, Paulie sends Nucci to clean up the parking lot and shoot out the cameras with her snub nose 38. David Chase explained it was better left to the audience to figure that out, but I think it would have further developed the complicated relationship between Paulie and his "mother".
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Oct 1, 2021 16:32
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Vera Farmiga does a really good Livia impression. Also kinda feel like she talks like Melfi in the film, guessing not a coincidence? Film just made me feel bad for her. I'm guessing David Chase eased up on his mother as he got older. The counselor scene and the immediate followup struggle scene was touching. It does does a nice job of setting up how Tony ends up so crazy. Junior being an impotent psycho is pretty funny. I guess people will criticize the film as being sort of jumpy, but I really liked it. BiggerBoat posted:NO ONE is asking “hey, what happened to Juan?” or whatever the server’s name was? I think the subtext is that he was an immigrant waiter who didn't matter to them, or to society at large. Also, kind of like Artie's restaurant, nobody would want to go there if they had a guy murdered in the parking lot, so it could have been covered up. Yes I know, police etc., but still.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:38
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Honestly, in the world of the Sopranos, there's a need to suspend disbelief on some of the way the law works. It's sort of a blind, irrational Old Testament God that wreaks terrible vengeance (Johnny Sack) but also has blindspots for particular characters (Tony being one, at least, maybe, until the very end?). Chase needs the threat of the police to exist as a credible threat but also isn't really interested in getting bogged down in a cat and mouse game. I bet he would find nothing more boring than following the police investigate the waiter's murder - the point of the murder is to show how a really petty banal conflict between Christopher and Paulie can boil over into murdering a completely innocent person and seemingly has zero psychological effect for these guys.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:47
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Mike N Eich posted:Honestly, in the world of the Sopranos, there's a need to suspend disbelief on some of the way the law works. It's sort of a blind, irrational Old Testament God that wreaks terrible vengeance (Johnny Sack) but also has blindspots for particular characters (Tony being one, at least, maybe, until the very end?). This is what I chalk it up to more than what the person above you wrote. I cross posted it in the Irrational Irritating Movie Moments thread since it does't detract from more enjoyment at all and doesn't really matter. But I was honestly surprised that both of those murders turned out to be red herrings that led nowhere since the show uses stuff all the time to get the feds/cops involved when they need them to (airline tickets, gun in the snow, pizza, coke bust and murder at Crazy Horse) and both of these killings seemed like easy ways to do that.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:55
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I guess I'm in the minority but I thought the FBI machinations re: meetings with Big Pussy, getting the bugged lamp in Tony's basement and flipping Adriana were all doses of realism that the show needed to raise the stakes. It's a shame none of them went anywhere on the investigative side. The giant shrug from law enforcement after two of their informants in the same crime family go missing always struck me as lazy writing.
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Oct 1, 2021 17:10
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Another Bill posted:I guess I'm in the minority but I thought the FBI machinations re: meetings with Big Pussy, getting the bugged lamp in Tony's basement and flipping Adriana were all doses of realism that the show needed to raise the stakes. Yeah I agree and honestly could have done with a little bit more of it (it pretty much all disappears in season 6 when Ray Curto dies). I think the thing about the show is that its designed in such a way that the problem of the FBI is handled in an emotionally resonant way rather than in a way that makes sense in our world. It's not like in Breaking Bad where Walt out thinks his problems through ingenuity and whatever. Tony and Christopher solve the problem of Adriana being a rat by having her be murdered and lose a part of their souls (and their own relationship with each other). That's how the threat of the FBI is utilized. In the real world, at a certain point, Pussy or Adriana's murders would come back to bite them. But its not strictly reality.
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Oct 1, 2021 17:17
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Another Bill posted:I guess I'm in the minority but I thought the FBI machinations re: meetings with Big Pussy, getting the bugged lamp in Tony's basement and flipping Adriana were all doses of realism that the show needed to raise the stakes. This too. I guess you can hand wave some of it since we're shown that all the federal resources are being swung to anti terrorism but would it have been that hard to put a tail on Ade or stake out their place?
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Oct 1, 2021 17:25
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I'm glad I've watched the show as many times as I have before seeing the movie, I can't imagine what the movie is like for anyone not familiar with the show. Christopher narrating the thing was weird and felt like something they added last minute. Performances were really good overall, though some veered into parody, Sil especially. I think it may have been due to the overall tone of the movie being more serious than the show. Farmiga was terrific but I was most impressed with Nivola. I don't remember seeing him in anything except Jurassic Park 3 of all things but he carried the movie for me. Junior being behind Dickie's murder was kind of an amazing reveal. And Corey Stoll made for a great Junior too. I knew it was coming but "Your sister's oval office!" got a snorty laugh out of me. Some references were a bit on the nose but overall I really enjoyed the movie. I love the show though so if it weren't for that, I'd probably think far less of it.
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I haven't seen this yet. Is it funny or is it heavy on the drama? Sopranos was always a comedy to me first and foremost so I'll be sad if this doesn't make me laugh a lot!
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