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It's the birds that make it nuts. The downside of time walks is usually they don't actually DO much if you're forced to play them on curve because you're already behind. Six mana sorcery to play a land a draw a card is just a lovely Explore. This was the problem with Nexus (and Epiphany is probably a direct result of the Nexus debacle, "OK, people love time walks but time walks that don't advance the game are annoying and abusive. So, design me a time walk that will eventually end the game on its own ..."). Two tokens totally changes the spell. Now you've got blockers if you're playing it out on curve and behind on board. And as we've seen, you don't really need a win condition in your turns deck if your turns spell is also your win condition.
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Gramps posted:I just miss drafting full blocks. OG Ravnica block limited was absolutely bonkers. I know that's a high watermark but if they do it once they could do it again. how the hell did drafting work with those blocks? you had different guilds in every set right? i guess you either pick something early on and stick with that, or do some weird wedge stuff? i remember hearing that invasion block draft was a lot of fun because there was lot of tension between sticking with the allied colors early or holding out until apocalypse so you could grab all the super strong enemy color stuff babypolis fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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babypolis posted:how the hell did drafting work with those blocks? you had different guilds in every set right? Oh man it was so awesome. Ideally you'd end up in 3 colors which would put you in 3 guilds, but with all the mana fixing you could play a 4th. Rav you could take Golgari, Guildpact you could take Gruul, and Dissension you could take Rakdos and end up in BRG and with enough signets the mana was even pretty smooth. Absolutely my favorite limited format ever.
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goferchan posted:You saying you think it'll get a ban? I don't think it's an incredibly oppressive Time Walk card in a vacuum, but when they inevitably print more they probably need to be a little worse than Epiphany in the future. Dodging hand disruption with foretell is kind of insult to injury because there are already very few ways to interact with opponent's sorceries, and this just narrows it down to counterspells, and if you're running counterspells you might as well also play Epiphany. It will 100% get banned in standard.
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Oct 1, 2021 18:24
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When Alrund's Epiphany is outlawed, only outlaws will play Alrund's Epiphany
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Oct 1, 2021 18:26
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They could get away with just banning Galvanic Iteration since that’s the card that puts it over the top. It protects you against counters since you still get at least one more turn and you can easily copy a 2nd Alrun’s since Galvanic has flashback. 8 mana for 2 turns and 4 1/1 fliers is insane.
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Oct 1, 2021 18:36
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I'm playing Selesnya Ramp and I don't think Epiphany is a problem, my deck beats it easily. However, I'm seeing Bant Ramp decklists that play Epiphany, so if every deck starts playing that card it'll need a ban.
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Oct 1, 2021 18:37
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2 forks, a time walk and tons of ways to ramp with treasure and dig through your deck just make izzet loving unbearable in current standard. Something's gotta give, and it's definitely Epiphany. Then we'll just have to suffer through a season of URx Delvers & Dragons variations
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Oct 1, 2021 18:46
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i never understood why they continue to make "take another turn" cards without some kind of penalty or downside.. (besides mana cost)
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Oct 1, 2021 18:59
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Playing in the SCG #2. 100% agree epiphany needs the ban hammer. It'll be banned by 10/11
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Oct 1, 2021 19:04
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Yeah, functionally it isn't that much different than a card that functionally ends the game but something feels so much worse about seeing several time walks resolved against you in a row. For some reason "7 Mana, Sorcery, You Win The Game" I think would feel better
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Oct 1, 2021 19:05
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PlasticAutomaton posted:That mostly comes down to Dragon's Maze being garbo. 
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Oct 1, 2021 19:10
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lmao
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Oct 1, 2021 19:13
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Strong Sauce posted:i never understood why they continue to make "take another turn" cards without some kind of penalty or downside.. (besides mana cost) Our Market Research Shows That Players Like Taking Multiple Turns So We Made this Card to Have the Absolute Longest Game Length Ever Elemental
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Oct 1, 2021 19:16
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What if a take another turn card also untapped all your opponent's lands and creatures? Would that be too big of a downside to let it be playable? Let's assume it's fairly cheap to cast and has no other downside.
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Leperflesh posted:What if a take another turn card also untapped all your opponent's lands and creatures? Would that be too big of a downside to let it be playable? Let's assume it's fairly cheap to cast and has no other downside. That would be a neat design and I think it's printable. Still has the issue with copying the spell, though.
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It occurs to me that written that way, your opponent could untap stuff locked down with "doesn't untap" effects etc., which might be too strong for them. Maybe word it instead like: "After target opponent performs their next upkeep phase, skip the rest of their turn" or "target opponent skips the first main, combat, and second main phases of their next turn" or similar; so they'd get an untap, upkeep, draw, and end phase, but wouldn't get special untaps they don't normally get. Probably this is too complicated to fly, the more I think about it.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:45
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Leperflesh posted:What if a take another turn card also untapped all your opponent's lands and creatures? Would that be too big of a downside to let it be playable? Let's assume it's fairly cheap to cast and has no other downside. There was a UU1 take another turn but skip your untap step, and it sucked major rear end
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Oct 1, 2021 19:48
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Seems like a niche case work around, and 99% of the time you'll be the one putting that effect on their creatures to begin with, so you can just not cast one of the two if it's that big a problem.
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Chamale posted:I'm playing Selesnya Ramp and I don't think Epiphany is a problem, my deck beats it easily. However, I'm seeing Bant Ramp decklists that play Epiphany, so if every deck starts playing that card it'll need a ban. The UR and Grixis turns decks are dominating all the ramp decks on Arena and in what tourneys have happened so far. The win rates are absurd.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:49
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Yeah you're probably right FF.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:50
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babypolis posted:i bet you think pirating poo poo is immoral as well This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs".
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". Nothing goes better with a Torta and a nice Jarritos than a buttcam copy of Amazing Spiderman
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Sinteres posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPX-wuplDvc It gave me a nice laugh thanks!
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". Gramps posted:Nothing goes better with a Torta and a nice Jarritos than a buttcam copy of Amazing Spiderman This. Respect the hustle
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". I'd steal your car
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Oct 1, 2021 20:23
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Man I could go for a jamon torta right about now
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". I would download a dozen copies of your car with zero remorse.
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Oct 1, 2021 20:27
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*Said Vaderly* I am proxying the moxy. Pray I don’t proxy it further.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Man I could go for a jamon torta right about now Milanesa or GTFO.
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". I would steal your car
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Oct 1, 2021 20:35
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signed, the guy who posts epic owns without reading the rest of the thread.
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Toshimo posted:This ain't the thread for that, but I encourage you to PM me your treatise "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs". "In the Defense of Selling Bootleg DVDs" transfers money from big money studios into the hands of small businessmen, while making entertainment more affordable for everyone. conclusion: its good folks
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Oct 1, 2021 20:53
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I got to flip the "Have exactly 13 life" guy twice in one game to finish out a 7-0. Seems like a fine way to retire from MH limited.
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Strong Sauce posted:i never understood why they continue to make "take another turn" cards without some kind of penalty or downside.. (besides mana cost) Bring back Final Fortune.
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Aranan posted:Bring back Final Fortune.
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Yawgmoth posted:And give us a RR instant "if your opponent takes an extra turn after this one, instead you win the game". fortune, finalized
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R/G flash 2/2 with "if an opponent would take an extra turn, you take the turn instead" Or maybe "you control them during that turn"
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lmao tcgplayer's flash sale with 15% cash back in store credit is currently completely hosed due to checkout servers being overwhelmed https://twitter.com/TCGplayer/status/1444076278441779202 hmmm maybe it isnt a good idea to play directly into FOMO instincts for practical reasons, as well as moral ones!
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A big flaming stink posted:lmao tcgplayer's flash sale with 15% cash back in store credit is currently completely hosed due to checkout servers being overwhelmed Oh nooooo People are giving us so much moneeeeeeee Maybe we should never do this again! What are we gonna do with all this moneeeeeee
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