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OwlFancier posted:What the everloving gently caress even is a lib dem?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Hence why I was thinking 'surreptious', not obvious. Especially if you are the only person around other than the beat-up-ee to see what is happening. My point was it doesn't actually stop the incident from happening and even video evidence existing outside of police hands doesn't really result in meaningful action against the police later on - Ian Tomlinson as an example, where the cop is filmed just lashing out at a passerby causing his death and there's years of defence of the cop, an acquittal and then a supposed change in procedure which changed nothing.
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namesake posted:My point was it doesn't actually stop the incident from happening and even video evidence existing outside of police hands doesn't really result in meaningful action against the police later on - Ian Tomlinson as an example, where the cop is filmed just lashing out at a passerby causing his death and there's years of defence of the cop, an acquittal and then a supposed change in procedure which changed nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson Once they acquitted him, they slyly fired the cop from the Met, and then paid the family on the quiet to shut them up. Something you would definitely do if you knew your guy was innocent. All to keep the boy's in blue name untarnished.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yup, I'm convinced that at some point in the immediate aftermath, the press must have done some memory implantation specifically about him jumping the barrier because everyone who brings that event up, including myself until recently, seem to remember that he jumped the ticket barrier and ran into the station. It's an interesting example of the problem with eyewitnesses and also the wet cement effect of early reporting. Early reports all mentioned a man jumping the barrier being chased by armed police, who were shouting at him to stop, and that De Menezes was in a heavy coat with wires coming out of it. These were taken from two eye witnesses, one a member of staff at the station and one a passenger on the train. The actual (official) Met statements mentioned neither of these facts, in fact nothing but the most minimal details that they'd shot someone who they believed to be a suicide bomber on the train. The problem is that the person jumping the barrier was in fact an armed officer[1] in plain clothes (which obviously would be fairly bulky to conceal body armour, weapons, etc) with other officers with weapons drawn running behind shouting for the barriers to be opened, and the person in the heavy coat with wires coming out of it was one of the surveillance officers who had followed De Menezes onto the train and who was dragged away by the officers who actually killed De Menezes[2]. The thing is that this was an incredibly high-stress and out-of-the-ordinary situation so eyewitness reports are very unlikely to be useful - when you see blokes with guns running around just a few weeks after a massive terrorist attack and the day after a failed repeat (everyone always forgets 21/7) you're not carefully noting down details, you're loving running away and hiding. It's an example I always use but air crash investigators almost *never* use eye witness reports because every eye witness to a plane crash reports the plane as being on fire as it hit the ground and also making a screaming noise on the way down because that's how plane crashes look in films because the brain is desperately trying to come up with something that will tell it what to do. Press reporting based on those two eye witnesses fit a narrative so they went with it, especially as on the day nobody had any reason to doubt that De Menezes was actually the missing suspect from 21/7 or even the supposed fifth bomber from 7/7, and the human brain's love of stories kicks in and sets that as your knowledge of what happened. Because the later corrections aren't as sensational, they don't make as much of an impression on you, so you keep the original, erroneous version of events - this is the wet cement effect, and it's one that's always rumoured to be the reason why leaked versions of police-involved shootings always come out as sensational tales of derring-do (e.g. Mark Duggan) - funnily enough in this one case that *doesn't* seem to be the case. [1] This is an interesting and mostly-unexamined wrinkle in the story. On the cover of the Metro that De Menezes stopped to pick up would have been an (in)famous picture of armed police at UCH on 21/7 which showed two men carrying H&K G36s, which weren't at the time issued to any police force. These two were also shorter and rather scruffier than armed plod tend to be, and this (combined with the fact that said picture promptly disappeared from every news website) led to the rumour that men who definitely *did* know what colour the boathouse at Hereford was were being used on the streets of London, something that was eventually quietly admitted to some time later when the Met admitted they had received "support from the Armed Forces" in the investigation into both 7/7 and 21/7. Met officers all know you can just run into the barriers and they'll open, which is considerably quicker than jumping them (as is just running through the luggage barrier), so I've always taken this as proof that at least one of Them was at Stockwell that day. Given They were apparently the authors of, and certainly involved in the training of officers for, Operation Kratos (the "just shoot them in the head" policy in force for suspected suicide bombers in force at the time) it shouldn't be that surprising, but it's always been a detail that's stuck in my head. [2] Probably didn't help that the surveillance officer was significantly darker-skinned than De Menezes.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:(everyone always forgets 21/7)
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Hold on I thought this was a joke. Is this...is this real?
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Guavanaut posted:I remember it because they made a big deal of the foreign chapati flour being used as part of the explosive, in the absence of any more salacious lines of interest. Yeah, the insinuation that you'd never use Good Protestant White English Flour like McDougalls for nefarious purposes. (I have theories about that flour too but lol if you think I'm even speaking them out loud let alone typing them out on the internet)
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Giggle Goose posted:Hold on I thought this was a joke. Is this...is this real? Evergreen post.
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I know lots of people think he had a rucksack too but that's also nonsense.bessantj posted:https://twitter.com/mikeparry8/status/1443924619149385757 He's talking shite. The full quote is "The problem in this country, in all areas, is that the minorities always get the upper hand cos we’re so tolerant & minorities have to be squashed, like that!" "In all areas" doesn't relate to these protestors, it relates to all minorities. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Giggle Goose posted:Hold on I thought this was a joke. Is this...is this real? https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1443976966718242816
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Giggle Goose posted:Hold on I thought this was a joke. Is this...is this real? New thread title.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah, the insinuation that you'd never use Good Protestant White English Flour like McDougalls for nefarious purposes. I must say I'm intrigued but I respect your desire to not end up in a briefcase
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goddamnedtwisto posted:New thread title. UKMT October 2021 - We have written to some Germans to post here And "Sorry luv, can't save your house from burning, got these Coco Pops for Hull" happyhippy fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Mourning Due posted:. I got a rice cooker for my birthday and it's aces. I got the Yum Asia Fuji. It's like the Panda but it's got this really sleak design where it sort of looks like an old fashioned bamboo cooker but lights up really organically. It's great for Rice and you can use it to make Porridge and bread. I tried the Porridge and preferred cooking it in pan, but it's nice to ha e the option. Would recommend the Fuji. Just beware that the cooking bowl is ceramic so you have to make sure you don't drop it.
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Bit late to Bond chat but I'm camping in Northumberland so deal with it. I really enjoyed the version in the Leaguebof Extraordinary Gentlemen comics- all the misogyny, brutality, bigotry and incompetence of the book Bond as a guy who serves whoever's in charge (including Miniluv during the Big Brother years) in order to advance. The movie Bonds are used as his lackeys(the J agents). Anyway, Emma Peel kills him in the end and it's quite satisfying.
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The Question IRL posted:I got a rice cooker for my birthday and it's aces. I bought a 'Crockpot' brand rice cooker for £10 of Gumtree and tbh it's fine, couple of years on with use two or three times a week and it's going strong. I'm not sure what I'd spend the other £340 on tho. Rice, maybe?
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The Question IRL posted:I got a rice cooker for my birthday and it's aces. Porridge is much better cooked slowly overnight. About 1/3 cup per portion, about 3.5 x volume of liquid (water or water and a bit of milk).
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I wanted to get away from the reality of psychotic sex criminals getting to do whatever they want with impunity because they work for the government, so I saw the new James Bond film. It was quite good. Nanomachines, son!
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After 45 years or more you'd think she'd have forgotten how lb & oz work. I remember doing Imperial measures at school  - gave the old arithmetic in different bases a good workout.I remember being about 5 and having learned that 3+6 was the same as 6+3 misapplied it to money and said to my dad: 3/6 (3 shillings and 6d) is the same as 6/3 (6 shillings and 3d) isn't it dad - erm no.
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lasses have always struggled with money to be fair.
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happyhippy posted:UKMT October 2021 - We have written to some Germans to post here On it. May let the Great Pump Queue go for a couple more days.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:It was really heavily reported that he did, and I think the eventual conclusion was that it was one of the police who jumped the barrier and everybody "accidentally" got the story wrong .  edit: oh, beaten by twisto Apraxin fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Dug up this ancient b3ta front page which is burned into my memory:
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Bobby Deluxe posted:A misearable pile of squirrels. man i forgot Jo! was some kind of squirrel hive mind in a long coat good times (really bad times)
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after nite fel Peason and i sneke down 2 the forcort with fotherington-tomas bag of felt tips
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Guavanaut posted:after nite fel Peason and i sneke down 2 the forcort with fotherington-tomas bag of felt tips Lol now that's a reference that I wasn't expecting to see in the UKMT.
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crispix posted:
Chrone Boys wanting their Guzzleleen!
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therattle posted:Porridge is much better cooked slowly overnight. About 1/3 cup per portion, about 3.5 x volume of liquid (water or water and a bit of milk). If I make Porridge overnights, I do them as overnights oats. A mixture of porridge oats, non-dairy milk, maple syrup, chia seeds, fresh fruit and either peanut butter and or Nutella. Leave it in a jar and take it to work, serve it cold. Delicious. If I want hot Porridge, I use my wife's recipe or oats, salt and non-dairy milk. (We are both a bit lactose intolerant.) The Fuji is designed when it does Porridge to do it overnight for like 8 hour cycles. That's fine, but not how I like my Porridge. NotJustANumber99 posted:you can cook rice in a bag in a microwave or just like eat better food that isnt all little bits. Why roast a chicken when you can just buy pre-cooked chicken? I still use microwavable rice when I'm in a rush. But the taste if well cooked rice can't be beat.
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Cookie Cutter posted:What annoys me most about modern Bond is that to my ears Adele is clearly singing flat in the song Skyfall, and doesn't hit any of the high notes. It's like listening to T2 - Heartbroken. To me it's like "how did this get released". From the first page, but a couple of singing teachers I know reckon she's in tune but that her tone is terrible and that's why she sounds like she's struggling. It's probably why she didn't record another take which sounded better - every singer flubs notes, but changing the tone requires changing the way that a singer sings. Either way, yeah, it sounds....not good. Re: Imperial measures - they never went away properly but they're never going to fully come back either. Things very specifically British are still mostly in Imperial. Milk is still symbolically sold in "pints" even if the carton says 1.1litres, road signs are in miles. But any food/medicine imported from other countries will be in metric quantities and any foods/medicines exported from the UK will also need labelling in metric otherwise it can't be sold. At best, some companies might go the expense of printing both numbers on the labels? No petrol station managers are looking at the current situation and deciding that their priority right now is to convert all the signage and pricing into gallons.
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Some of the products sold in 454g packages like butter, marmalade, and golden syrup might relabel themselves 1lb (℮ 454g). *5 minutes later* Some of the products like butter, marmalade, and golden syrup might still be sold, we don't know.
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