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RoboRodent posted:Okay so the thing is my dad is very leftist and a self described socialist but also very bad at examining his own biases (and he grew up in a very rural area with all the racism that frequently implies) and i legit I had already decided to respond the next time he made a crack about the half Japanese girl I went to school with thirty years ago because her name was "Akane" which sounds like "acne" with "I'm sure that your name means something funny in another language." So seriously if you can tell me a language where "Steve" or "Stephen" means a funny thing I will be so glad. Would it not be ah-kaah-nay? Seems like a reach on his part tbh.
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/sonia_ar7/status/1444007420863385637?s=21 quoting to cause 5 pages of goons performing bad maths
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/sonia_ar7/status/1444007420863385637?s=21 It doesn't matter how simple it is, it could be "1 + 1 = ?" and there will be people getting it wrong, as well people who just have to show everyone how big brain they are by commenting the correct answer when these kinds of posts are always engagement-bait. Perfect for the IOSM thread
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The Saddest Rhino posted:quoting to cause 5 pages of goons performing bad maths Alright I’ll bite. I think it’s 104 according to BEDMAS (apparently the term is different in different countries, that’s what we called it in Canada and Jerry Cotton or Tiggum can strike at any point) - multiplication is the highest order operation, so that’s 25 * 0 = 0. Leaves me with 50 + 50 - 0 + 2 + 2 = 104.
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MisterOblivious posted:Jesus, those lyrics are on the nose. Doesn't matter that the references are 60 years out of date. Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon made an updated cover of it for Prairie Home Invasion. https://youtu.be/8nGJ3AjFF1Y
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The answer is "i can type it into google if I want to know"
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oh hey is this where we're talking about being bad at maths?
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Arivia posted:Alright I’ll bite. I think it’s 104 according to BEDMAS (apparently the term is different in different countries, that’s what we called it in Canada and Jerry Cotton or Tiggum can strike at any point) - multiplication is the highest order operation, so that’s 25 * 0 = 0.  , the parenthesis/brackets thing is just regional but it's interesting that division/multiplication get swapped. It shouldn't really matter, it's just an interesting discrepancy.e: "interesting" may vary
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swapping MD for DM or SA for AS doesnt really make much difference since they're basically the same things, so you could also write PEDMAS which sounds like a terrible holiday
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Elysiume posted:It's PEMDAS in It shouldn't, but take the equation 8÷2(2+2) Following PEMDAS gets you 1, but BEDMAS gets you 16 In other words, 
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Arivia posted:Alright I’ll bite. I think it’s 104 according to BEDMAS (apparently the term is different in different countries, that’s what we called it in Canada and Jerry Cotton or Tiggum can strike at any point) - multiplication is the highest order operation, so that’s 25 * 0 = 0. then you have the real big brains saying stuff like this https://twitter.com/soniabsuffolk/status/1444032626273226754 which is only possible if you're going left-to-right and also pretending that 'x 0' just doesn't mean anything at all LazyMaybe has a new favorite as of 11:24 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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I mean it doesn't "in reality" because the concept of multiplying by zero does not correlate with any real phenomenon, it is a purely mathematical construction. You can have X amount of things and add or subtract Y amounts, and you can have X sets of Y things or desire to separate X things into Y piles, but multiplying by zero does indeed not make much sense in "reality"
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OwlFancier posted:I mean it doesn't "in reality" because the concept of multiplying by zero does not correlate with any real phenomenon, it is a purely mathematical construction. You can have X amount of things and add or subtract Y amounts, and you can have X sets of Y things or desire to separate X things into Y piles, but multiplying by zero does indeed not make much sense in "reality" you make zero sales you have made $5 * 0 profit
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Elysiume posted:you make $5 profit on each sale Money isnt real
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I can give fifty people five dollars each, I can give them two dollars each, I can give them zero dollars each. In these scenarios, I'll have given them totals of two hundred and fifty dollars, one hundred dollars, and zero dollars, respectively. Edit:Beaten, and more succinctly
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flavor.flv posted:It shouldn't, but take the equation in my defense i am very much not a stem person so if they fixed it in grade 12 or higher "streams" (I took math for university people not going for STEM classes) I missed out. but it's a good correction and I appreciate it!
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flavor.flv posted:It shouldn't, but take the equation
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Tiggum posted:That's just a demonstration of the reason no one uses the ÷ symbol for anything other than teaching basic arithmetic to small children (and creating clickbait "puzzles" on social media). my prediction has come true, thank you tiggum
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Arivia posted:my prediction has come true, thank you tiggum Your prediction was that I would post something in this thread that I post in all the time? OK. 
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OwlFancier posted:I mean it doesn't "in reality" because the concept of multiplying by zero does not correlate with any real phenomenon, it is a purely mathematical construction. You can have X amount of things and add or subtract Y amounts, and you can have X sets of Y things or desire to separate X things into Y piles, but multiplying by zero does indeed not make much sense in "reality" https://twitter.com/gordoncraig11/status/1444177446178332681 "multiplied by 0" is absolutely a concept that applies to reality, and in fact does so very often flavor.flv posted:It shouldn't, but take the equation The way I was taught to interpret PEMDAS(and the way it's been taught for a long time) is that, once you do the (2+2) and are left with 8/2(4) You now do all the multiplication and division from left to right, including the 2(4), resulting in 16. The only way you wouldn't is if you multiply the 2(4) first, but why would you? The only way is if you erroneously believe that multiplying a number by an adjacent bracketed number should be done before 'normal' multiplication/division, but PEMDAS doesn't tell you to do that any more than BEDMAS does.   Both PEMDAS and BEDMAS put division and multiplication on the same level, and then you go from left to right. They're just phrased slightly differently. LazyMaybe has a new favorite as of 11:43 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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RoboRodent posted:Okay so the thing is my dad is very leftist and a self described socialist but also very bad at examining his own biases (and he grew up in a very rural area with all the racism that frequently implies) and i legit I had already decided to respond the next time he made a crack about the half Japanese girl I went to school with thirty years ago because her name was "Akane" which sounds like "acne" with "I'm sure that your name means something funny in another language." So seriously if you can tell me a language where "Steve" or "Stephen" means a funny thing I will be so glad. it's not exactly a "funny thing" but being named "Stefan" and being under 50 will net you some funny looks in poland
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flavor.flv posted:It shouldn't, but take the equation Multiplication and division have equal priority, so you go from left to right. The whole confusion stems from children being taught rote memorization of stupid "rules of thumb", instead of an actual understanding of math.
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KozmoNaut posted:Multiplication and division have equal priority, so you go from left to right. PEMDAS/BEDMAS, taught correctly, are as close to actual understanding of math you are going to be able to teach children in a reasonable timeframe.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:quoting to cause 5 pages of goons performing bad maths Happy now?
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goblin week posted:loving lol at the spelling bee thing I watched that spelling bee doc from the early 2000s, top level spelling bee kids are loving weird.
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Taeke posted:Happy now? With bad math lasting less than five pages as at date I remain sad
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The Saddest Rhino posted:quoting to cause 5 pages of goons performing bad maths Goons once again proving exactly why these "math problems" get posted all the time and with a millions shares or whatever by bickering endlessly over them. e: The one good math problem I've seen on social media. 
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IronicDongz posted:calling SA 'social media' is either an insult or excessive praise depending on how you look at it Hey we've been featured in the New York Post.
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flavor.flv posted:In other words, 
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Elysiume posted:you make $5 profit on each sale El Fideo posted:I can give fifty people five dollars each, I can give them two dollars each, I can give them zero dollars each. I think this is rather more easily rendered as "money has not changed hands" which is how people would have conceptualized it for a long time before the invention of the concept of mathematical zero. You need that concept to already exist before you would ever think about it that way. Like you would not describe the absence of anything occuring as a thing that could have occured, occuring zero times. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 12:15 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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OwlFancier posted:I think this is rather more easily rendered as "money has not changed hands" which is how people would have conceptualized it for a long time before the invention of the concept of mathematical zero. You need that concept to already exist before you would ever think about it that way. Or like the earlier quoted example, if 5 of my coworkers bring 2 tools, and 5 don't, that's 5 * 2 + 5 * 0 = 10 there are many many obvious examples of multiplying by zero applying to real life. the concept did not arise from nowhere, like all math it exists to describe things that occur in reality. LazyMaybe has a new favorite as of 12:24 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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