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X-O posted:I don't think any of the MCU Spider-Man movies have really had very large stakes and I don't think the next one really looks like it does either. Homecoming obviously was just Vulture and that's not much of anything. And Mysterio wasn't any kind of major threat on his own either. The biggest damage he ended up doing was to Peter personally. And it looks like the new Spider-Man, even dealing with the multiverse, is not that high stakes either. It seems to all be directed at Peter and not some global threat. Well, yes, that's what I'm saying, and why I think that kind of storytelling is more engaging than Captain America/Avengers type fare.
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socialsecurity posted:Mysterio was trying to control an army of robots strong enough to basically rule the planet. Well that was his end goal, but he didn't get it. He was just a guy and that's low stakes enough for Spider-Man.
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Obviously, yeah I agree, catching literal robbers is probably too small stakes for a movie. But there's plenty of excitement and drama that you can get out of a city-level threat. I don't think any of the Batman movies have had villains that threaten much more than Gotham and they can be plenty exciting. I do think Spiderman is doing a decent enough job, and I agree that Mysterio wasn't some cosmic level threat. It's also the one example that has an arms length relationship with the MCU though, and the mainline series threats are increasingly having global or even universe-level impacts. At some point, something has to give, you can't escalate forever. enki42 fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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Oct 4, 2021 17:12
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Black Widow could have been a really great personal movie. Natasha going back to her origins with her "family" and exploring her role in the red room and her part in the Taskmaster story. Instead Flying Fortress!
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Oct 4, 2021 17:15
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kazil posted:Black Widow could have been a really great personal movie. Natasha going back to her origins with her "family" and exploring her role in the red room and her part in the Taskmaster story. I can't believe they did a Deadpool all over again with Taskmaster like do these people not learn?
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Thundercracker posted:Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if western superheroes movies are done being shown in China for the foreseeable future. Xi is really cleaning house of any "objectionable" content that threaten his cult if personality and has Marvel dead to rights. Maybe he found out that Winnie the Pooh is a Disney property.
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Oct 4, 2021 19:11
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socialsecurity posted:I can't believe they did a Deadpool all over again with Taskmaster like do these people not learn? I actually liked it much better than Deadpool because at least they tied Taskmaster thematically into the story, Deadpool was just a weird choice in an already weird and awkward movie. Also the relative viewer-knowledge of the two characters matters, most people have heard somewhat of Deadpool as the talkative loon (even if not the full extent of his deal) whereas the people who know Taskmaster are smaller, and the only thing I personally knew going in was the perfect mimicry stuff not the personality stuff anyway.
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Oct 4, 2021 19:21
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socialsecurity posted:I can't believe they did a Deadpool all over again with Taskmaster like do these people not learn? Taskmaster would have been way, way better if he wasn't just a bit character in the movie. The differences from the comics wouldn't have matter if he wasn't written like poo poo. Like, if it was Natasha having to fight off Taskmaster while coming to terms with her role in his origin for the entire movie, that would have been cool. Instead, Taskmaster has no real agency and is a glorified goon for a boring "real" badguy. So far phase 4 TV has been way, way better than phase 4 movies. I don't have high hopes for Eternals.
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Oct 4, 2021 19:47
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He’s nothing without little Alex Horne.
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The Grumbles posted:I mean I think that's kind of the point of the what if anthology Let's get into it. The primary stakes of the Party Thor episode was Thor being afraid of being caught by his mom partying. Literally that was all that episode was about. Where is self, identity, or sibling relationships in all that? They actually actively defused the only thing approaching any sort of suspense by mentioning that Thor had nothing to do with blowing up the previous planet. And so the whole fight with Ms Marvel....was for nothing? Then Loki shows up and is his best friend. In fact, everyone is his friend? Of this guy whose idea of partying is dancing in national monuments and throwing around boxers with heart shapes on them around lol. It's like faint copy of a faint copy of a 80s movie about a teenager, but at least that had sex and getting hosed up. And Disney is way too sex phobic for that to happen. Anyways tdlr whatever, there was nothing there for me.
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Homecoming was perfect stakes he just tried to bust up an arms smuggling ring got in way over his head got beat then redeemed himself when the stakes were highest. That movie was so much fun. Just a dude looking to fade into the background and steal a bunch of weapons and Spider-Man had to stop him. It also made sense why other people weren’t helping him because he got cut off after Tony told him not to go in and he did and almost got tons of people killed answering the “why not call the avengers” like he tried to
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After the second Spider-Man 3, I hope we get a Spider-Man MCU movie where Spidey is the only hero in the film. (and he doesn't get help from SHIELD/SWORD/etc)
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Spacebump posted:After the second Spider-Man 3, I hope we get a Spider-Man MCU movie where Spidey is the only hero in the film. (and he doesn't get help from SHIELD/SWORD/etc) Lol this will never happen.
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Spacebump posted:After the second Spider-Man 3, I hope we get a Spider-Man MCU movie where Spidey is the only hero in the film. (and he doesn't get help from SHIELD/SWORD/etc) The final finger shrivels on the monkey's paw as Disney begins work on the Clone Saga.
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Shageletic posted:Let's get into it. The primary stakes of the Party Thor episode was Thor being afraid of being caught by his mom partying. Literally that was all that episode was about. Having grown up an only child completely changes Thor's sense of self and sense of identity (the main joke of the episode is that Thor has only child syndrome), and so the way it's responding to regular a major theme of the Thor films acts as light commentary about how you're shaped by sibling dynamics in ways I found fun. I mean, that's not even subtext. The watcher pretty directly says ''this is an episode about how things might be different if this character defined by his sibling relationship was an only child". The 80's teen movie narrative is a fun homage but the episode isn't really about the plot.
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socialsecurity posted:I can't believe they did a Deadpool all over again with Taskmaster like do these people not learn? I keep hoping Black Widow was a low key Taskmaster origin story--there'll be in-canon yeeeaaars between then and her next potential appearance where she could have a bit more 'tude I don't genuinely believe they're playing the long game but I want to believe, because they didn't decide to just kill the character outright
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The Grumbles posted:Having grown up an only child completely changes Thor's sense of self and sense of identity (the main joke of the episode is that Thor has only child syndrome), and so the way it's responding to regular a major theme of the Thor films acts as light commentary about how you're shaped by sibling dynamics in ways I found fun. I mean, that's not even subtext. The watcher pretty directly says ''this is an episode about how things might be different if this character defined by his sibling relationship was an only child". The 80's teen movie narrative is a fun homage but the episode isn't really about the plot. It seems like it made Thor...nicer to be an only child. Like he's miles better morally than he is at the beginning of Thor 1.
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Shageletic posted:It seems like it made Thor...nicer to be an only child. Like he's miles better morally than he is at the beginning of Thor 1. The main difference is that Thor spent a thousand years partying with the frost Giants instead of fighting them.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I keep hoping Black Widow was a low key Taskmaster origin story--there'll be in-canon yeeeaaars between then and her next potential appearance where she could have a bit more 'tude She seems like a slam dunk for any future Thunderbolts movie/show.
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Shageletic posted:It seems like it made Thor...nicer to be an only child. Like he's miles better morally than he is at the beginning of Thor 1. So was everyone else. Loki wasn't a murderous psycho. Neither was Surtur. Really 80s sexless teen sex comedy Thor world was probably the best world we've seen so far.
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Shageletic posted:It seems like it made Thor...nicer to be an only child. Like he's miles better morally than he is at the beginning of Thor 1. Thor getting spoiled as an only child made everyone's lives way nicer! Loki didn't spend his childhood and (young?) adult life with a quite a toxic parent, so there's also that. And by the look of it Laufey seemed to be a better father figure. Fake edit: Everyone posted:So was everyone else. Loki wasn't a murderous psycho. Neither was Surtur. Really 80s sexless teen sex comedy Thor world was probably the best world we've seen so far. I'm too slow for this thread! lmao, but yes!
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The_Doctor posted:He’s nothing without little Alex Horne. The infuriating thing is that Greg Davies has already played a supervillain in a DC movie.
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Spacebump posted:After the second Spider-Man 3, I hope we get a Spider-Man MCU movie where Spidey is the only hero in the film. (and he doesn't get help from SHIELD/SWORD/etc) They seem to be burning their remaining iconic villians by bringing them over from other universes, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Spidey only appear in team-ups from now on, rather than having any more movies of his own.
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They won't do it, but I'd like to see them retire Peter Parker after Far From Home and go forward with Miles. It's been 20 years and FFH looks like it is going to be the perfect send-off for all the theatrical PPs. At least retire him from the suit.
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Wtf taskmaster the show jokes in this nonsense thread let’s get a separate thread going to debate best seasons
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Everyone posted:So was everyone else. Loki wasn't a murderous psycho. Neither was Surtur. Really 80s sexless teen sex comedy Thor world was probably the best world we've seen so far. The vibe I got was the out of control party in Weird Science briefly interrupted by a Roadrunner cartoon (Cpt Marvel v Thor).
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Firebert posted:They won't do it, but I'd like to see them retire Peter Parker after Far From Home and go forward with Miles. It's been 20 years and FFH looks like it is going to be the perfect send-off for all the theatrical PPs. At least retire him from the suit. I wouldn't be surprised if they would do it, especially if rights on Miles Morales Spiderman are separate from those on Peter Parker Spiderman, though I have no idea if that is the case. If they did, then Sony and Marvel could both have their own Spiderman films that don't intrude on each other beyond some cameos or something for audience appreciation.
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Re: Stakes This was something I liked about the Netflix shows was that they were basically fighting for neighborhoods and really nothing would have changed if they failed. Except Iron Fist, that white boy hosed everything up so bad he took all four shows down with him. And punisher had to gently caress off to his own show (which I never finished because I felt it was pretty played out after the first season)
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tsob posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they would do it, especially if rights on Miles Morales Spiderman are separate from those on Peter Parker Spiderman, though I have no idea if that is the case. If they did, then Sony and Marvel could both have their own Spiderman films that don't intrude on each other beyond some cameos or something for audience appreciation. Sony already made a Miles Morales movie so I'm pretty sure they have the rights.
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My assumption was that making Taskmaster more like the comic versions would have hewed too close to movie Deadpool levels of quippy-ness and would have been seen as a pale imitation? Or maybe been a distraction from introducing a new funnier Black Widow?
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So has Marvel done anything specific recently to piss off chuds or is it just the same old garbage of including women and gay and black people in comics? A game I love - Dice Throne - somehow landed a Marvel collaboration and there seem to be a lot of right-wing people getting pissy about it.
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dwarf74 posted:So has Marvel done anything specific recently to piss off chuds or is it just the same old garbage of including women and gay and black people in comics? Shang Chi had a lot of the same "complaints and griping" Black Panther had.
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I saw a couple headlines that Google served to me in incognito mode about how, I guess, Brie Larsen has fallen out of favor with Marvel and Disney execs and that's why they brought in 2 costars to co-headline Captain Marvel 2 or some poo poo. Why chuds still give a gently caress about the MCU when they are so obviously not being catered to is beyond me, lol. Well, no, I get that it's all in favor of the grift chain, but still.
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mutata posted:Why chuds still give a gently caress about the MCU when they are so obviously not being catered to is beyond me, lol. Well, no, I get that it's all in favor of the grift chain, but still. We can see an example with how hard Youtube tries to get me to watch Ben Shapiro even though I've never watched one of his videos. I'm sure other people in this thread have other things that Twitter/Youtube/social media tries to get them to engage with.
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I hate the YouTube algorithm so much. I avoid things specifically because I don't want it recommending more of the same.
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Floppychop posted:I think a big part of the problem is how stuff like the Youtube algorithm works. An outrage video gives more clicks than a video titled "Captain Marvel was decent for an origin story movie". Chuds watched something once months/years ago relating to the MCU so then Youtube constantly shoves it in their face, causing more clicks and more outrage. Yeah. I went to watch Placebo music videos out of nostalgia the other day, and at the third video I started to get bombarded with right wing/chud propaganda. Which is weird cuz placebo's singer is queer as gently caress. So my conclusion is that the algorithm works in lovely ways.
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I feel like this is going to be next season’s finale too. https://twitter.com/marvelstudios/status/1445433601982664708
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mutata posted:I saw a couple headlines that Google served to me in incognito mode about how, I guess, Brie Larsen has fallen out of favor with Marvel and Disney execs and that's why they brought in 2 costars to co-headline Captain Marvel 2 or some poo poo. I've been served up a few google headlines on my phone that are something along the line of "Marvel FINALLY replaces Bree Larson!". The story was just that she had a different voice actor in What If. Hell, there was a similar one for Spider-Man, "Marvel announces Tom Holland's replacement". Again, just saying he had a different actor in What If.
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In other news, there's a preview of tomorrow's episode available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU-FcHQL9uY
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