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ikanreed posted:A joke? Maybe. Not a bug though. Character actions in cutscenes are totally scripted. If it's a joke Toby should've put a magical glass tile under him when it happens, IMO
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I know there's clearly Stuff going on with Ralsei but I'm not convinced that bit means anything. I think it's on par with Noelle being able to jump over the normally impassable traffic cones as just sort of a cutscene convenience.
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Oct 5, 2021 03:14
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Does it have to be malicious? From a characterization perspective, this could just be illustrating limits - Ralsei's not able to deal with what happened, perhaps. Or is personally responsible for Jevil and Spamton going insane and is working on a cover job 
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Oct 5, 2021 03:25
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Gruckles posted:If it's a joke Toby should've put a magical glass tile under him when it happens, IMO What's with the glass tiles anyway? I had him walk out of bounds after the long conveyor belt segment after sweet cap'n cakes and cross a bunch of the magical glass tiles. I thought it was hinting at a secret but I can't get out there.
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Oct 5, 2021 03:27
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Ledgem posted:What's with the glass tiles anyway? I had him walk out of bounds after the long conveyor belt segment after sweet cap'n cakes and cross a bunch of the magical glass tiles. I thought it was hinting at a secret but I can't get out there. I think it has something to do with AI scripting, as the same glass tiles popped up in Undertale when Undyne was chasing you whenever she walked out of bounds
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Oct 5, 2021 03:30
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:I think it has something to do with AI scripting, as the same glass tiles popped up in Undertale when Undyne was chasing you whenever she walked out of bounds The conveyer belts in Hotland can also make the player step out of bounds, and magic glass was Toby's fix for the bug. 
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Oct 5, 2021 03:45
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Ralsei walking out of bounds makes the motion more dramatic and noticeable than him walking through Kris and Susie would. That's about as much as I suspect it matters.
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Oct 5, 2021 03:47
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It's probably just to make the cutscene flow better than if Susie just clips through. But then again, why make that room layout like that? Its only purpose in the game is to have that cutscene in it.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:06
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In 3 years Toby will do a chapter 2 stream with a special build where the room is even narrower and all the characters walk outside it.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:11
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Every time you enter the room the floor tiles and your sprite narrow by one pixel.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:12
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Ralsei is a speed gamer so he can naturally clip OoB.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:16
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I read it mostly as Susie purposely pushing Ralsei out of the way because she noticed the whole "Kris is in distress right now" and there was no better way to properly convey that kind of interaction.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:16
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Electric Phantasm posted:Ralsei is a speed gamer so he can naturally clip OoB. In the big chapter 7 reveal Ralsei will spend an hour explaining parallel universe tricks to the player
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Oct 5, 2021 04:19
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poor ralsei clipped into a wall and died of potassium deficiency
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Oct 5, 2021 04:20
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Spiffster posted:as if killing someone I don't think they died though, they just turned into an item and joined up with you. If you have your equipment space maxed out Spamton even gets really pissy about it thinking you filled it up on purpose to keep him from joining you.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:51
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Electric Phantasm posted:It's because Ralsei is Gaster 
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Oct 5, 2021 05:46
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ralsei is the prince of darkness; he is trying his best 
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Oct 5, 2021 05:48
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G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, T is the 20th; combined, they make 27. With only 26 letters in the alphabet that puts the two of them combined just outside the normal sphere of letters, on the border or fringes, like how Gaster is just outside of reality I hope someone's writing this down it's free youtube money edit: Dragonball GT was rendered non-canon, just like how Gaster is now outside the normal canon. COINCIDENCE????????
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Oct 5, 2021 05:50
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Don't forget the next art club meeting is on October 10th at 8PM, guys
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somepartsareme posted:Don't forget the next art club meeting is on October 10th at 8PM, guys art is dead
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Hogama posted:Here's stats from right before the end of Chapter 1 compared to the beginning of Chapter 2 in the town (the only significant difference is the top was taken without Devilsknife equipped on Susie while the bottom does have it on). Important to note that Ralsei's second point of Fluffiness comes from having the dainty scarf equipped in chapter 1, he only has one point naturally and gets a second from the scarf. However, from the start of chapter 2, once he's gained a level, his inherent Fluffiness stat is two, and he gets no additional points from the scarf. Coincidence?
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Oct 5, 2021 07:40
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Ralsei tells Kris to not think about it because: 1) he has the mentality of a therapy dog 2) he's not an idiot. If Kris is trying to get rid of our control it's obvious why they don't want to discuss that in front of you. Why does Ralsei send you the player away in both chapters? To talk about things we shouldn't hear.
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Oct 5, 2021 07:56
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Brandfarlig posted:Ralsei tells Kris to not think about it because: Yeah was thinking that also, it's not for Kris he's saying don't think about it.
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Oct 5, 2021 08:37
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Rouxls Kaarde has a sprite very similar to Gaster, thus he’s actually Gaster. Like, not as a misdirection or cover identy, that’s actually him with all his mannerisms
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Neuronyx posted:I NOTICED THAT TOO AND WONDERED WHY NO ONE MENTIONED IT, granted it's a small thing next to ALL THESE OTHER THINGS in the game but yeah. That made me double take. When Ralsei stepped off the path, I mean. I noticed it but remembered Lancer doing it when he joins you in ch1.
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Oct 5, 2021 10:04
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Roxuls also does it repeatedly in the puzzle segments where he just slides on/off the screen. It's not really that unusual.
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Oct 5, 2021 10:08
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There's a lot of pretty clear symbology going on with the Spamton fight, especially in the hidden boss route. The rollercoaster cars coming back despite no gimmicks relating to them, for one. He's on strings, you're on rails. Especially given the themes of agency and bring denied it throughout the game. Seems implied that Kris notices it.
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I have late-night (lol early morning more like it) Deltarune thoughts. About the birdcage. Which I guess I’m putting in spoiler tags? The game makes it very clear that it’s well-used, and it’s all but outright stated that it’s for the use we saw at the end of Chapter 1. It is, quite literally, the only thing Kris seems to personally own other than clothes and the wagon it’s sitting in. Critically, there’s a stain, not just some fresh spill, in the spot next to the cage. The entire vibe, plus our ability to move around in SOUL form, suggests that Kris doesn’t really think we’re to be trusted—and they’re not in complete control of the situation unless we’re safely caged/cushioned/cabineted. And as we see in Chapter 2, they do it routinely enough that Toriel shrugs it off when Susie asks why Kris is taking so long. So why does the story start at this point, and what happened to the previous entities that made Kris decide to cage their SOUL? Why’d they need a new one? What’s different about this time? Most importantly, why do they keep doing it? The game goes to some pains to show you that Kris has been active before you have in this world, with the save file that only shows up when you start a totally fresh game and stops showing up when you’ve completed it—like you’re trapped. I think a strong hypothesis is that Kris is actually the interrupting voice. We know that them and Noelle have interacted with Gaster (the latter comments on “nostalgia” when around Gasterfied stuff). They’re prepared for hosting a foreign exchange human SOUL, and the denial of agency seems like maybe a good fit for a Knight of Infinite Resignation. Because whatever Kris is trying to do, it hasn’t worked yet. Because they’re still doing it. And it makes one wonder—how long has the internet been down? How long have the roads been closed? And seriously, how long has Asriel been gone? Why is the town populated by the seemingly cut-off cast of the hit 2015 video game Undertale by indie dev darling Toby Fox, with seemingly no outside contact with the world and a total of one (1) native son off in parts unknown? Why are they all still around and why aren’t there any people in [PLAYER NAME] Castle Town when you meet Ralsei? Why doesn’t anybody else know about the Dark World, when Kris seems pretty keen to have people join them at the end of this chapter? And why does it seem like this is the first time anybody other than Kris has heard of the Dark World, if Kris has been going so much in the past? Why is Kris still doing this when the fact that they’re forced to be a puppet hurts them so much? All of those questions aside, Kris had a saved game before we started, but the birdcage is stained with use, and those two facts just rub together very weirdly in my head. But to be perfectly honest with my posting friends I am off on that ralsei weed tonight. That might all be really dumb, what I just typed.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Ralsei is a speed gamer so he can naturally clip OoB. ralsei's a gamer you say? does this mean that berdley tries to get a kiss from him in chapter 7
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Zamujasa posted: (with a semicolon) 
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https://twitter.com/The_Hydroxian/status/1445307835026448384?s=19
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Oh, something else I noticed recently is that if you do the thing and then go to that shop, and then show Spamton the disc but refrain from giving it to him, he says that's a real rude thing to do to a "beloved [[stranger]]." He's not entirely incapable of saying the word love.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Oh, something else I noticed recently is that if you do the thing and then go to that shop, and then show Spamton the disc but refrain from giving it to him, he says that's a real rude thing to do to a "beloved [[stranger]]." He's not entirely incapable of saying the word love. Yeah, because there's a difference between love and LOVE.
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Spiffster posted:But that’s where I’m getting at here. Kris is super distraught from this fight. Goosebumps present, screaming, super upset and Susie is empathizing with you over this (which made me like her even more). Then Ralsie comes over, gives you a hug which is nice but then tells you to forget about it as if killing someone that yearned for freedom (inadvertently no less in the pacifist run) is no big deal. It’s just so off… Spamton doesn't die. he turns himself into the item you get and just sort of hangs out with you. He's still fully sentient and fully capable of speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQXYY7tqqas Sometimes Darkners just like hanging out in inventories, as we've seen with Lancer and Roxels Kard it's a nice space for them to chill out and being there prevents them from turning into stone when you travel to other worlds. Edit: Jevil also doesn't die, also turns himself into an item and seems to be in a similar state of self awareness (Noelle notes that the the Devilsknife smiles at her). So, yeah, the bonus bosses we beat are just hanging out and chilling in our spacious pants hole. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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That Darkners seem to like hanging out in inventories probably makes sense given they're apparently inanimate objects given life.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That Darkners seem to like hanging out in inventories probably makes sense given they're apparently inanimate objects given life. Which was a little more glossed over in chapter 2. Other than maice and plugs, it seems like everything you encounter is one variety of computer program or another.
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Oct 5, 2021 16:48
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So nubert's definitely this right? Like, no other thing they could possibly be?
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gently caress that has to be it
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