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H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Ghostnuke posted:

That's good info, thanks. I don't think the problem is candles so much as that day care for the 2 kids costs more than my mortgage every month and it's going to be a loooong time until I can cut that out. I do think we'd be absolutely fine if we could get out from under the debt, we'd have quite a bit of extra money each month.

As long as the person who would otherwise provide childcare is earning more than the cost of childcare it's fine enough - it's a necessary cost with a fixed end date.

But the fact that you say "I don't think" vs "I have analyzed and know" is worrying. How is your budget?

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Ghostnuke
Sep 21, 2005

Throw this in a pot, add some broth, a potato? Baby you got a stew going!


H110Hawk posted:

As long as the person who would otherwise provide childcare is earning more than the cost of childcare it's fine enough - it's a necessary cost with a fixed end date.

But the fact that you say "I don't think" vs "I have analyzed and know" is worrying. How is your budget?

you are right, I have not sat down and run the numbers exactly. I should probably get one of those apps that divides it all up for you. I DO know that we would have extra money each month, just not how much exactly.

Grumpwagon
May 6, 2007
I am a giant assfuck who needs to harden the fuck up.

Just to state this fully out in the open, the reason people are scrutinizing you so hard on this is, one of the most common stories you hear are people who transfer their debt from their cards to another instrument (house, personal loan, etc), then slowly the debt creeps back up, and they have the loan + maxed credit cards. Obviously no one intends to do this, but it is easy to do (an unexpected emergency, job loss, or paying it off for a year and slowly stop paying attention to it, etc etc). The only real way around it is to make sure that you can support your living expenses + the debt service + some cushion for unexpected things. Hence the questions about budgets and such.

Once you've truly analyzed it as much as possible, have a budget that works for you, have some contingencies for unexpected things (within reason, of course, no one can plan for everything), then you'll save money and get out of debt sooner by doing the refi. People just want to warn you of what we've seen before, and if you don't think you can realistically have that cushion, it's probably better not to wrap your house up in it. That way, the worst case scenario is bankruptcy or default on the cards (annoying, but not life changing) rather than losing your house.

Grumpwagon fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Sep 23, 2021

Ghostnuke
Sep 21, 2005

Throw this in a pot, add some broth, a potato? Baby you got a stew going!


that's all totally understandable. I'll come back once i have some solid numbers

I Love Topanga
Oct 3, 2003
What is the best way for someone to put away a small windfall for retirement purposes? As hands off as possible.

It’s approx. 100k in proceeds from the sale of a house.

My thoughts are:

- max out a ROTHIRA - $7k with catch-up contributions.

- drop the rest in a Taxable account and use that to max the ROTH every year.

- both accounts at Vanguard and invest in Target Date funds.

Am I missing anything?

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

I Love Topanga posted:

What is the best way for someone to put away a small windfall for retirement purposes? As hands off as possible.

It’s approx. 100k in proceeds from the sale of a house.

My thoughts are:

- max out a ROTHIRA - $7k with catch-up contributions.

- drop the rest in a Taxable account and use that to max the ROTH every year.

- both accounts at Vanguard and invest in Target Date funds.

Am I missing anything?

Are you maxing your 401k contribution? If not, you could crank up your contributions for this year and then drop it back down (so you don't hit your max in May or something)

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Kinda same question, I got a new job without a 401(k) and I already have been maxing out my IRA, so I need some place to put $10k+ away every year. Is there another type of long term retirement savings account that I can open?

I Love Topanga
Oct 3, 2003

totalnewbie posted:

Are you maxing your 401k contribution? If not, you could crank up your contributions for this year and then drop it back down (so you don't hit your max in May or something)

Great thanks for the reminder. This is actually for a family member, so I'm trying to get everything in one place and help out in one fell swoop.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
So it turns out my dad opened up a life insurance policy for me when I was born and I'm wondering if I should continue it and the payments for it. It's within my budget, but I'm not 100% on the value of life insurance as someone that's single and without dependents

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
Came here to scream into the ether about finding a CPA. I thought I had one via my aunt, but he hasn't called me back. The other one has been unresponsive. I'm about to just go to an H&R block and work with them. fffffff this is so frustrating.

Grumpwagon
May 6, 2007
I am a giant assfuck who needs to harden the fuck up.

Xelkelvos posted:

So it turns out my dad opened up a life insurance policy for me when I was born and I'm wondering if I should continue it and the payments for it. It's within my budget, but I'm not 100% on the value of life insurance as someone that's single and without dependents

What kind of life insurance is it?

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

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Xelkelvos posted:

So it turns out my dad opened up a life insurance policy for me when I was born and I'm wondering if I should continue it and the payments for it. It's within my budget, but I'm not 100% on the value of life insurance as someone that's single and without dependents

Also, what is the payout if you cash it out ?

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



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Xelkelvos posted:

So it turns out my dad opened up a life insurance policy for me when I was born and I'm wondering if I should continue it and the payments for it. It's within my budget, but I'm not 100% on the value of life insurance as someone that's single and without dependents
Assuming you're not among the megarich who use it for estate planning, the value of life insurance is replacing your income for people who depend on it. This is why general advice is that it doesn't make sense for 99% of people to have anything but a term life policy, and also why it generally doesn't make sense to pay for life insurance if you have no dependents(or a spouse/SO who'd be up poo poo creek without your income).

It's hard to give a definite answer without knowing the answers to 'what's the payout if you cash it out' and 'what kind of life insurance is it', but I'd be surprised if it was worth sinking more money into it.

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


Insurance might not make pure numbers sense but there really is “peace of mind” in knowing that your children won’t become homeless if you get hit by a drunk driver or get cancer.

E: especially if it’s through your work and comes out to like $14/month for a half million policy, and/or disability

lampey
Mar 27, 2012

The vast majority of young people are best off cashing out life insurance policies and investing the money in an IRA, maxing out 401k for the year, or taxable investment accounts. Many of the investments in life insurance have load fees, high expense rations, high fees, or they are based on annuities that offer low returns.

If you have a dependent having term life insurance makes sense until you no longer have dependents. You should probably also get short term disability insurance through your employer. If you are healthy and under 30 you can get $250k of term life for ~$300 a year. $250k of life insurance coverage in a whole life typically would cost 15x to 20x as much as a 30 year term life policy. Life insurance within a universal policy is also expensive

There are some exceptions where continuing to contribute, or keeping the policy without contributing further make more sense, but mostly this is only a factor if you plan on having so much money when you die that the estate tax and gift tax is a serious issue. Currently the limit is 11.7 million. And even then, the life insurance you have is probably not the right one and you should talk to a fiduciary financial advisor.

Nirvikalpa
Aug 20, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
This was my first year I've started budgeting. So far it's looking like I'm going to spend about $18k this year + $7k for college room and board + $5k in savings. Does that sound right? I'm in my late 20s and don't have a car. I feel like I haven't been budgeting that properly and I've been doing things like frequently eating out and spending on my hobbies, yet I'm surprised my expenses are so low. This year I will have lived 7 months in a high COL area, 4 months at college, and 1 month at home.

Does it seem like I'm missing something when it comes to my expenses?

Grumpwagon
May 6, 2007
I am a giant assfuck who needs to harden the fuck up.

Nirvikalpa posted:

This was my first year I've started budgeting. So far it's looking like I'm going to spend about $18k this year + $7k for college room and board + $5k in savings. Does that sound right? I'm in my late 20s and don't have a car. I feel like I haven't been budgeting that properly and I've been doing things like frequently eating out and spending on my hobbies, yet I'm surprised my expenses are so low. This year I will have lived 7 months in a high COL area, 4 months at college, and 1 month at home.

Does it seem like I'm missing something when it comes to my expenses?

As long as you're sure you've recorded everything you've spent, those numbers seem frugal but possible. Having no dependents, no house and no car really does wonders for the ability to live cheaply, even with some hobby + dining spending.

DNK
Sep 18, 2004

Just posting the big $ number and asking if it “sounds good” isn’t helpful at all. What you need to do is go through the categories of expenses that you’ve considered.

Off the top of my head, my largest (historical) expenses are…

Debt servicing - mortgage, student loans
Insurance - healthcare, auto
Home improvement and maintenance - plumbing, electrical, roofing
Food - groceries, restaurants
Entertainment - games, streaming services
Shopping - clothing, electronics, appliances

After all that, there’s some large upcoming expenses that I have planned:
Potential car purchase, certain bits of home improvement, and planned healthcare issues

Have you covered all of the above? Is there anything that you covered that I didn’t? (I would hope so! My budget isn’t yours!)

If you go through it like this, we can help identify areas that you may not have thought about.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

If I get a second credit card, what happens if I don't use it? As in, make no purchases with it for a month or so. I'm trying to google this and can't figure out how to phrase it so I get an answer instead of minimum payment stuff.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Over a long enough period of inactivity they'll just close the account for you. On cards I've had for decades now (jesus christ what is time) that period has been a year+ and they give me a heads up and I go make some piddly purchases to keep that credit age high.

I don't know how soon they'll start giving a no-activity new account the hairy eyeball but I really doubt it'll be within the first month.

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

StrixNebulosa posted:

If I get a second credit card, what happens if I don't use it? As in, make no purchases with it for a month or so. I'm trying to google this and can't figure out how to phrase it so I get an answer instead of minimum payment stuff.

I haven't used my oldest credit card since 2008. I keep it around as a backup and to boost my credit age. Every few years the bank reaches out to me to see if I still want it otherwise they'll close it. I say that I want it and then they keep it open.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

jjack229 posted:

I haven't used my oldest credit card since 2008. I keep it around as a backup and to boost my credit age. Every few years the bank reaches out to me to see if I still want it otherwise they'll close it. I say that I want it and then they keep it open.

Mine has Netflix on it or something similar. Every month autopay handles it no problem.

Highbrow Slick
Jul 1, 2007

it is a fool who stays alive - but such fools are we.
Howdy all, I have a question about cashing a check written to two people. Don’t know if it matters but we live in California and bank with a credit union.

I recently got married, and my parents wrote a check to us as a wedding gift. The check is written out to “Mr. and Mrs. Highbrow Slick.” My wife hasn’t changed her name yet (wedding was just over a week ago), so she isn’t technically Mrs. Slick yet. We want to use the money from the check to pay down some of the principal on our mortgage. I endorsed the check, my wife did not. I then used mobile deposit to deposit the check into my personal (not joint) account on 9/27. The funds were made available soon after, although I know that doesn’t necessarily mean the check has cleared yet. I then transferred the amount to the mortgage as a one-time principal only payment. But then somewhere along the way someone mentioned it should have been endorsed by both of us, or deposited into our joint account. I used my own account because it is already linked to the mortgage through the same credit union and I am lazy.

Soooo my concern is eventually the credit union will bounce the check back because it is written out to two people but only endorsed by me, and even if my wife had endorsed it, her legal name isn’t yet changed to reflect the “Mrs. Slick” written on the check. I was able to transfer money from my savings account to my checking so that I will not overdraft if the check is rejected (it was a very generous amount but not life-changing). I suppose this is more of an academic question but I hate having the possibility of screwing this up hanging over my head. Any thoughts?

Thank you

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

As with most questions like this that are asked here: pick up the telephone and call your bank and ask them this question.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
That's how I pretty much always write checks for weddings and it hasn't been a problem yet. Heck, for what it's worth I rarely even endorse checks at all when I deposit them via mobile. It really should only be an issue if your parents file a complaint

Highbrow Slick
Jul 1, 2007

it is a fool who stays alive - but such fools are we.
Thank you both, I will call the bank to confirm.

e: I called them and at first they said yeah it probably needs both signatures, but they checked with their support and said the check has already been cleared and the funds are posted so it should be ok. Yay

Highbrow Slick fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Oct 5, 2021

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

IOwnCalculus, jjack229, and H110Hawk: thanks! I have gone ahead and applied for and got approved for a credit card, so now I'm up to two of 'em! :toot:

My credit score is slowly going from "you do not exist" to "ah, you pay your balance on time good, good" and it's still kinda average because I only got a credit card this year. Feels good to finally join the world of financially responsible adults!

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Highbrow Slick posted:

Thank you both, I will call the bank to confirm.

e: I called them and at first they said yeah it probably needs both signatures, but they checked with their support and said the check has already been cleared and the funds are posted so it should be ok. Yay

Protip: scrawl illegibly and see what happens. If you do electronic deposit then they will likely reject it before its going to bounce. The other bank is extremely unlikely to ever bounce a check for anything but nsf.

EPICAC
Mar 23, 2001

My wife didn’t change her name when we got married. My grandmother just assumed that she had, and because we’d never hear the end of it we didn’t correct that assumption. My wife regularly cashes birthday checks made out to Wifesname Mylastname with no issue.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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My mother never took my dad's last name, and yet for decades would get mail addressed to her with his last name because everyone just assumed "the wife of Mr. X is Mrs. X". I expect that institutions are routinely accustomed to this kind of thing.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Haifisch posted:

Assuming you're not among the megarich who use it for estate planning, the value of life insurance is replacing your income for people who depend on it. This is why general advice is that it doesn't make sense for 99% of people to have anything but a term life policy, and also why it generally doesn't make sense to pay for life insurance if you have no dependents(or a spouse/SO who'd be up poo poo creek without your income).

It's hard to give a definite answer without knowing the answers to 'what's the payout if you cash it out' and 'what kind of life insurance is it', but I'd be surprised if it was worth sinking more money into it.

Got the letter from my mother about the Life Insurance that was taken out for me. The Net Death Benefit is 64k. The total paid-up additional Insurance is 26k. The Guaranteed cash value is 5k with the net value as 11k and the current Dividend is 139.88 which is applied as part of the annual payment on the insurance. I'll have to contact the company as to what specific type of Life Insurance it is.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Xelkelvos posted:

Got the letter from my mother about the Life Insurance that was taken out for me. The Net Death Benefit is 64k. The total paid-up additional Insurance is 26k. The Guaranteed cash value is 5k with the net value as 11k and the current Dividend is 139.88 which is applied as part of the annual payment on the insurance. I'll have to contact the company as to what specific type of Life Insurance it is.

It's whole life and it's poo poo. Surrender the policy and put the money in an index fund.

Amara
Jun 4, 2009
That's whole life (which honestly was the only type that anyone was going to take out for you at birth). Have fun...

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Motronic posted:

It's whole life and it's poo poo. Surrender the policy and put the money in an index fund.

Could I get a better explanation as to why it's poo poo?

Amara posted:

That's whole life (which honestly was the only type that anyone was going to take out for you at birth). Have fun...

Explain further

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Xelkelvos posted:

Could I get a better explanation as to why it's poo poo?

Explain further

Whole life insurance is a "high drag" lovely investment vehicle that is only useful if you are so goddamn rich that you are at risk of exceeding the estate tax exemption, which is currently $11.7M for a single person and $23.4M for a married couple. This is the amount you have to give away* before you hit the estate tax.

They are invested in very low yield and safe investments and then also have a huge cost structure that nearly wipes out any gains. You do not need this. I know because if you're asking here you have no worries about hitting the estate tax thing because if you did your "family office" would already have a full time tax accountant who would have told you this.

Let's do some math..........how much does this cost per month/year? What year did it start? Let's compare that to a very conservative index fund....let's just pick VTSAX, the Vanguard total market index fund. I'm going to make a guess that that value of that policy today is less than 1/4 of what the exact same investment at the exact same times would have ben worth investing in that super safe fund.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Motronic posted:

Let's do some math..........how much does this cost per month/year? What year did it start? Let's compare that to a very conservative index fund....let's just pick VTSAX, the Vanguard total market index fund. I'm going to make a guess that that value of that policy today is less than 1/4 of what the exact same investment at the exact same times would have ben worth investing in that super safe fund.

It's annual cost of 284.38 that supposedly started in 1991

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Re: name stuff

My dad is "Jan", which is the Polish version of "John". He constantly gets mail for Ms. Jan Lastname. He had a nurse call today and didn't believe he was he. I bet he's had checks written out to John, but don't know for sure.

My mom inherited a parcel of land that was made out to a nickname that she used as a child in Poland. She had to get it changed to her legal name, which I don't remember really being an issue. But, like, the person who made out the will that way was no help cause they were dead!

I used to cash checks for "Tony" all the time. No one has ever said anything about it not being my full legal name.

I think basically, no one really gives a gently caress.

Amara
Jun 4, 2009

Xelkelvos posted:

It's annual cost of 284.38 that supposedly started in 1991

Geez that's painful. ETFs were rare in 1990s but spy is an old one that tracks s&p 500. If your parents started making annual 284.38 contributions in 1993 (when the fund was created) it would be worth.... 47k now...

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Amara posted:

Geez that's painful. ETFs were rare in 1990s but spy is an old one that tracks s&p 500. If your parents started making annual 284.38 contributions in 1993 (when the fund was created) it would be worth.... 47k now...

Now worth $5k. Yeah......thanks for looking that up. I was already pretty sure.

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Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

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For the poster asking about whole life, I can tell you from experience why it sucks.


My grandfather (in good intentions) took out something like either 4,000 or $5,000 in a whole life policy in my name with Prudential for a whole life insurance in the mid 1980s.

Didn’t add to it (fine by time), so basically it coasted on fees.

In 2014ish , I find out that I have this policy in my name. I check it out , and it’s at about $6,800.


I did a general calculator , and if he has just put it in a general S&P500 fund, it would have been at least $36,000 without any extra contributions. Instead of $6,800.



The fund was charging $500ish a year in fees, so all profits and dividends was just paying the fund. Such a drat waste.

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