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Forrest on Fire posted:This has been so wonderful. gently caress Urban. gently caress his predatory college coaching. gently caress his scheme, gently caress the Ohioans who were delusional about his ability to coach. I mean he won a championship for OSU so I don't think Ohians were any more delusional than anyone else at his previous stops. Though, for what it's worth, every single OSU fan I know loathes Urban for all the reasons stated in this thread. He's the only wildly successful coach I know that everyone hates.
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Woozie66 posted:https://twitter.com/MicheleSteele/status/1445778024696143878?t=_T62CwgPPyOWhKT3EElfjQ&s=19 Oh god shes already filed, hasn’t she
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Woozie66 posted:https://twitter.com/MicheleSteele/status/1445778024696143878?t=_T62CwgPPyOWhKT3EElfjQ&s=19 I'm cackling.
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Woozie66 posted:Though, for what it's worth, every single OSU fan I know loathes Urban for all the reasons stated in this thread. He's the only wildly successful coach I know that everyone hates. I think Utes fans may be ok with his stint there because it made them national players and eventually led to a P5 bid? Maybe I'm wrong, not particularly in touch with that fan base. But yeah UF and OSU both despise him which took some work considering how they were on the field.
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Look, you guys are the leaders in this locker room. I need you to step up and help the team get over this whole "I-shoved-my-thumb-up-the-butthole-of-someone-who-wasn't-my-wife" nonsense. It's up to you guys to make sure this doesn't become a distraction for the team. There's only so much I can do as coach; I can't do everything for you.
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You know urban versus Chip Kelly is a pretty interesting argument. The three things I think of when you talk about Urban Meyer are: 1. Lol 2. Enabled a sex pest 3. Butt stuff Whereas with Chip Kelly it's 1. Racism 2. Got figured out 3. ... But hey those smoothies really seemed to work. I guess you just have to ask yourself how bad you want the magical injury nuligating smoothies.
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Grittybeard posted:https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1445778914517807104 Ouch only 39% of Group of 5 schools even willing to consider him. When teams like Marshall, Kent State and South Alabama are lukewarm on you, your career is dead.
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Forget ADs, which multi-star recruits are interested in going to play for this guy over his competition?
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Grittybeard posted:https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1445778914517807104 I wonder what these numbers looked like before he got hired at JAX, or like the day this season kicked off. I feel his stock was already dropping a bit based on how this past off-season went with him.
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Grittybeard posted:https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1445778914517807104 “Are you making GBS threads me? He has a mental problem. How does a guy that makes $10 million a year go to a bar and put his hand up a woman’s crotch?” Unsure which team I want to have said no to this hypothetical more. UMass would be pretty funny but so would ULM or UTEP.
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I don't even think Bishop Sycamore would hire him at this point
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Even the ones that were willing to consider him said things like this:quote:“I’ve never met Urban, so it would all depend on if there was anyone that knew him well or worked closely with him that I really trusted that could tell me anything different than what we’ve seen play out publicly,” Basically "Yeah I'd consider him if someone could prove all this stuff about him is a lie"
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SKULL.GIF posted:Forget ADs, which multi-star recruits are interested in going to play for this guy over his competition? I don't like to say this but if history is any guide then...well most of them. 3 DONG HORSE posted:I don't even think Bishop Sycamore would hire him at this point While I'm dunking on him and all 73% leaves 27% who might be interested. Someone like Vandy...probably should make a call to his agent just in case. That won't happen because Urban would want more money than they're willing to pay, but there are those types of jobs out there that would keep him in the limelight if he wants.
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They say all this now but wait till he's actually available. I won't believe he's that radioactive till he ends up at Wyoming.
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Yeah if he hypothetically stays relatively clear the rest of the year I doubt people are going to be thinking about September problems in February or March or whenever. He's given absolutely zero reason to think that this will be the last problem though so we'll see.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:They say all this now but wait till he's actually available. Yeah
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He's probably internally mad that this didn't get him more heat
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if petrino can get hired after the motorcycle crash, meyer can too. He might have to spend a year coachin South Dakota Tech or whatever, but one good season and he'd have his pick of any number of prestigious schools
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fsif posted:In theory, if Urban could get it together and keep his head down and the Jags could just secure one win in the next 4–5 weeks, this could all go away. That's what is gonna happen. Trevor is going to win them a football game or two and Urban will be hailed as a genius because that's the world we live in right now
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Declan MacManus posted:i think there is zero chance of urban being hailed as a great nfl brain genius at this point I was being a little hyperbolic but really what I mean is that things will die down eventually because Trevor Lawrence is going to be really good and that's all the Jaguars ownership and fanbase want to see.
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I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to?
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AndrewP posted:I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to? Have you heard of one Mr Timothy Tebow?
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AndrewP posted:I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to? CEO, but he did coach Alex Smith, Tim Tebow, and some Ohio State guys who you don't want to remember as NFL players but were damned fine college players. He has an idea of what he wants to do but he wasn't ever the defining factor tactically I don't think? His coaching tree is pretty good to really good at the college level, which is why I say he kinda lived on his coordinators in that sense.
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AndrewP posted:I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to?
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AndrewP posted:I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to? He has some ideas of what he wants his offense to look like which is basically that the QB has a read on almost every play, the QB is going to run fairly often, and deep shots are a big part of the passing game. But he seems to farm out the actual play design and play calling to his coordinators.
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The only reason I imagine that the Jags haven't fired Urban yet is they are trying to get enough on him that they can fire him with cause and null his contract
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So it sounds like his job was to come in and provide stability and make good decisions, and has failed miserably at both. Dan Campbell seems like a good example of what this should look like - basically accept that you're probably not going to win a lot but do it with some grace and build the trust of your players. Has Pete Carmichael's name ever come up for HC? He's been the Saints OC for over a decade, whatever that job entails.
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AndrewP posted:So it sounds like his job was to come in and provide stability and make good decisions, and has failed miserably at both. Dan Campbell seems like a good example of what this should look like - basically accept that you're probably not going to win a lot but do it with some grace and build the trust of your players. He doesn’t get much attention since he’s been, at best, the third most involved person in the Saints offense over that time, after Payton and Brees.
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AndrewP posted:I don't really follow college football - is Urban running that offense or was he brought in as a CEO type? If so, what's the "Urban Meyer offense" or what's it similar to? Meyer popularized a lot of stuff that's common in spread offenses today - basically took the two spread philosophies that existed as of the early 2000s (air raid and rodriguez-style zone read), synthesized them, and added some power running concepts back in. Highly reliant on having a mobile QB due to the amount of zone-read and zone-read derivatives. Likes having a sort of gadget guy who can either run the ball or run routes from the slot - basically a modern reinvention of the wingback. A lot of play-action passes and RPOs with relatively simple route trees that funnel the ball to the tight end or to the aforementioned wing guy at midrange. Heavy reliance on motion and on the defense overcommitting against the option in order to spring guys for verts and deep routes - not really expecting the outside WRs to run a cool double-move and get open in isolation coverage or anything. Of course, the trouble with being a person who popularizes things is that then everyone's familiar with your stuff, which is why you can read this description and think "hey, everyone does that" You couldn't port Meyer's college offense directly to the NFL for the same reason you can't port any college offense directly to the NFL (you need a more advanced passing tree to attack more complicated NFL coverages, and the NFL pass-rush is too fast for a lot of slower-developing concepts to work) but Bevell is probably influenced by the "Urban Meyer offense" to some degree, just by osmosis PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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Trillhouse posted:if petrino can get hired after the motorcycle crash, meyer can too. He might have to spend a year coachin South Dakota Tech or whatever, but one good season and he'd have his pick of any number of prestigious schools I can't really see anyone in the state of South Dakota laundering anything ethically dubious. Salt of the Earth people there in KELO-Land.
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unl33t posted:I can't really see anyone in the state of South Dakota laundering anything ethically dubious. Salt of the Earth people there in KELO-Land. lol lmao https://twitter.com/DavidJollyFL/status/1444703441989873672?s=20
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Eifert Posting posted:You know urban versus Chip Kelly is a pretty interesting argument. The three things I think of when you talk about Urban Meyer are: If you take away Chip Kelly's racism (huge if, yes I know) I don't think he was a terrible coach, provided you don't give him personnel control like Philly did his last season. His one season with SF was a Jed York special.
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seiferguy posted:If you take away Chip Kelly's racism (huge if, yes I know) I don't think he was a terrible coach, provided you don't give him personnel control like Philly did his last season. His one season with SF was a Jed York special. Please don't take away his racism. Shady was one of the coolest players on the Bills.
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seiferguy posted:If you take away the fact that Chip Kelly single handedly removed all the talent on the Eagles, I don't think he was a terrible coach.
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Grittybeard posted:https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1445778914517807104 once the jags can him he'll probably cool off for a year and then pull a Charlie Weis to be a big splash at a lesser football school and win three times in two years before peacing out forever with a big bag of cash
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:once the jags can him he'll probably cool off for a year and then pull a Charlie Weis to be a big splash at a lesser football school and win three times in two years before peacing out forever with a big bag of cash So you’re saying it’s Kansas.
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