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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Best thing about this series getting a TV show is recycling twenty year old jokes The real issue here is were you in the Wheel of Time group in the usenet ALT hierarchy or the REC hierarchy.
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rasfwrj or bust
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Oct 6, 2021 01:54
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Thanks for Wheel Takes. She lasered right in on Graendal to Asmo
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:rasfwrj or bust Early 90s WOT MUDs too binch
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Oct 6, 2021 02:09
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not even borges’s wildest dreams could have envisioned the wotfaq
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Oct 6, 2021 02:11
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Aborted posted:Ali cracks me up with some of her chapter notes. gently caress boy Aram and the Way of the Queef I've thought about clipping out her notes on Leash Kid Gwen just to share with friends, to give context on this new podcast I've been rambling about (which is the only thing that has interrupted my nonstop talk about The Wheel of Time). (To be clear, this is episode tGH (CH38-40): The Worst Study Abroad Ever.)
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Oct 6, 2021 02:24
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no wheel of time groups for me. I did however read lots of theoryland and dragonmount. ali making correct calls left and right.
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Oct 6, 2021 03:53
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Barreft posted:Early 90s WOT MUDs too binch I tried out one of those! It seemed unfriendly to newbies sadly so I didn't get far.
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Oct 6, 2021 04:04
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silvergoose posted:I tried out one of those! It seemed unfriendly to newbies sadly so I didn't get far. Yeah they weren't, but I was like 10 and I had summer break y'know how it goes
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MUDs gonna make a comeback since MMOs are proving to suck and custom content is on the rise, just you wait
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Oct 6, 2021 04:19
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Brolander posted:no wheel of time groups for me. I did however read lots of theoryland and dragonmount. I think we've discussed this before, but some iconic works are far less surprising in their twists to modern readers because these very twists/character progressions/etc. are now standard tools of the genre, so they've become familiar to the genre's readers.
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Oct 6, 2021 07:32
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silvergoose posted:I tried out one of those! It seemed unfriendly to newbies sadly so I didn't get far. Ah, the hallmark of a quality mud. "You're new? gently caress YOU"
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Oct 6, 2021 08:15
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Torrannor posted:I think we've discussed this before, but some iconic works are far less surprising in their twists to modern readers because these very twists/character progressions/etc. are now standard tools of the genre, so they've become familiar to the genre's readers. She also makes just as many incorrect calls*, but she's able to read Gus's face when she gets one right so she zeroes in on those. Clocking Galad as a Whitecloak in book 2 is still impressive though, no way around it. *Gawyn: Rand's #1 fan!
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Oct 6, 2021 11:47
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I don’t mind New Spring after book 5. Someone earlier said it ‘disrupted the second trilogy’ but I don’t really like the idea of books 4-6 being considered a grouping. Thematically it makes more sense to me to group 4&5 together and then 6-8. Also Cadsuane is the only character of consequence to be spoiled in New Spring and I think I actually prefer the reveal when she appears in the main books if you already know who she is.
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Oct 6, 2021 12:32
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:She also makes just as many incorrect calls*, but she's able to read Gus's face when she gets one right so she zeroes in on those. I did love the 5 minute megacut of them talking about Ba'alzamon/Ishamael at the end of TDR
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The Lord Bude posted:I don’t mind New Spring after book 5. Someone earlier said it ‘disrupted the second trilogy’ but I don’t really like the idea of books 4-6 being considered a grouping. Thematically it makes more sense to me to group 4&5 together and then 6-8. Also Cadsuane is the only character of consequence to be spoiled in New Spring and I think I actually prefer the reveal when she appears in the main books if you already know who she is. I got the "second trilogy" notion from some conversation earlier, either here or in the TV show thread, about breaking the series down as a quartet of trilogies. I took a liking to it when I realized it made the climax points: the fall of the Stone, Dumai's Wells, the cleansing of saidin, and the Last Battle. (The joke here is that book ten is just an intermission, and eleven some kind of non-trilogy course-correction. I guess if I was more serious about trilogizing, 10, 10.5, 11 form the fourth trilogy of Slow Burn, Prequel, Holy poo poo right before the end starts up.) It's not something I'm super invested in, just one more way I was expressing frustration. But I like it, at least the first three, as a way of organizing Rand's story. I'm not sure I like the idea of Cadsuane showing up as any kind of known quantity. Like, I'm actually not sure, could see reasonable arguments either way and just happen to already be on one side.
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Barreft posted:Thanks for Wheel Takes. its intuitively obvious to the most casual observer 
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SerSpook posted:its intuitively obvious to the most casual observer 
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Oct 6, 2021 21:44
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The one that got me was her saying Thom and Moiraine were going to hook up. By the time the party was leaving the Two Rivers. "How? Why? What did he do to make you think that?" "He licked his lips." "He absolutely did not. ... He might've blown out his moustaches." "What is that? How do you do that?" "Hppfffh!" Next book: "So Dena's a short, pale brunette?" "She's ... a Cairhienin, yes." "Thom's got a tyyyype."
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okay the entire chastity belt stuff with rand is golden
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Jaxyon posted:Ah, the hallmark of a quality mud. The 90's / early 2000's 
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Just started the Wheel Takes podcast. Kinda grating, but worth it for the one take I completely missed Ishmael starts threatening them and saying he;'s a bad guy right off the bat, she points out that's not how you get what you want from teenage boys. Later Mordeth shows up, being super creepy, and still gets them to come into his haunted basement with his promise of treasure. If Ishmael had offered them just ONE loving ter'angreal trinket from his journeys while compiling his evil resume, he could have gotten at least 1, if not 2, or even all 3 to swear to the shadow or corrupt them or compel them or anything. Really underplayed.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Just started the Wheel Takes podcast. Kinda grating, but worth it for the one take I completely missed ishy just likes to be an honest bargainer, really sell what serving the shadow is all about it's frankly baffling that so many aes sedai joined up with the black ajah, one can only assume he had other recruiters that were not so concerned with honesty back during the trolloc wars
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SerSpook posted:ishy just likes to be an honest bargainer, really sell what serving the shadow is all about I think there's the narrative reason that they need more bad guys other than mooks from nowhere, and then there's the other reasoning that such a selective and secretive society made itself ripe pickings for inside influence. "Amazing that she passed the test for the shawl, isn't it?"
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SerSpook posted:ishy just likes to be an honest bargainer, really sell what serving the shadow is all about Trolloc Wars seem like a prime time to turn people to the Shadow tbh. Just sell them on the idea that they're on the losing side and the Trollocs are gonna win, and if you join now you don't die horribly. Probably easier for people to bite on that when they're in the middle of a century long hell war instead of the relative period of peace at the end of the age.
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I think Ishy prolly also got nuttier after each nap in the prison or whatever.
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People being dumb and swaring their souls to a dark master for the promise of power is the most realistic thing about the whole series.
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SerSpook posted:ishy just likes to be an honest bargainer, really sell what serving the shadow is all about Ishamael at that point literally believes himself to be the Dark One. He's not playing with a full deck. As for the Aes Sedai, they love to engage in political ladder climbing. And as we see from the POV of Darkfriends, until the Dark One actually began to stir it was very unlikely that a Darkfriend would ever be called on to do anything. It was basically a social club where the price of admission was doing something evil, and in return you'd get access to "the right people". That's why Sheriam joins the Black, for example.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:People being dumb and swaring their souls to a dark master for the promise of power is the most realistic thing about the whole series. It is also explicit text that a lot of the people who swore to the Dark One didn't really believe it would ever matter. They did so on a lark, or because it gave them a new approach for ordinary power. Folks that joined explicitly for the promise of direct rewards like immortality are probably a distinct minority.
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I imagine in a lot of cases the pitch was "Swear or we'll kill you."
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There's also the circle of thirteen plus thirteen myrddraal that could convert a channeler against their will, though apparently that was last done during the Trolloc Wars before Taim started (though of course there was also The Town for male Aiel sent to the blight) Edit: I meant to say I've been amazed at Ali making such good called shots, though her insistence on stanning for Liandrin is funny and I can't wait until for when that drops DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Oct 7, 2021 |
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Just started the Wheel Takes podcast. Kinda grating, but worth it for the one take I completely missed At that point the True Power had sent Ishy almost completely insane.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Just started the Wheel Takes podcast. Kinda grating, but worth it for the one take I completely missed I also like how they really bring out just how over the top Ishy really is, especially in the first book, like he's 9/10ths of the way to going full Doctor Doom and not far from tipping over into camp. but it works. Jordan knew when to turn the dial up to 11.
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Zore posted:Trolloc Wars seem like a prime time to turn people to the Shadow tbh. Just sell them on the idea that they're on the losing side and the Trollocs are gonna win, and if you join now you don't die horribly. Probably easier for people to bite on that when they're in the middle of a century long hell war instead of the relative period of peace at the end of the age. It was like 350 years of war. Pretty loving insane.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I also like how they really bring out just how over the top Ishy really is, especially in the first book, like he's 9/10ths of the way to going full Doctor Doom and not far from tipping over into camp. but it works. Jordan knew when to turn the dial up to 11. He was really being sold as the BBEG in a very binary good vs evil overall conflict. He didn't want this to be mistaken as a "everyone has their own viewpoints" on the matter of the Shadow, except for fools.
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Doing a reread and it always surprises me how slow the payoff is. 150 pages left and they’re still in Camelyn. Not complaining - just always catches me off guard. I always think the Ways/Eye and denouement is like a third of the book and it’s not even close.
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Vavrek posted:And how she would just be crushed if that turned out to be actually true. Late reply but thanks for the heads up. Been swamped with work recently but sounds like this might be good background listening while I'm pulling all nighters. ninjoatse.cx posted:Just started the Wheel Takes podcast. Kinda grating, but worth it for the one take I completely missed I agree with whoever said that Ishamael probably gets nuttier each time he gets "spun out" from the Bore prison and by the time we get to the 3rd age story he's too far gone to really fixate on anything beyond getting the gently caress out of the Pattern. It takes his death and "reincarnation" to reel him back a bit and try to realize the more subtle plan".
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DarkHorse posted:There's also the circle of thirteen plus thirteen myrddraal that could convert a channeler against their will, though apparently that was last done during the Trolloc Wars before Taim started (though of course there was also The Town for male Aiel sent to the blight) The 13+13 method seems like the channelers it creates somehow become a bit uncanny vally so isnt great for subtle infiltration
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DarkHorse posted:There's also the circle of thirteen plus thirteen myrddraal that could convert a channeler against their will, though apparently that was last done during the Trolloc Wars before Taim started (though of course there was also The Town for male Aiel sent to the blight) I really wish there'd been a bit more about that town. It seemed like a really interesting way that the Shadow used the madness of men channeling for their own recruitment. And I don't think all of the male Aiel had to be turned, they just used it when they had to.
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I'm really enjoying the Wheel Takes podcast too! It has the exact kind of silly humor that I like, combined with a genuine enthusiasm for the subject matter. I guess it's niche enough that no one involved is going to be making any actual money off of this anyway, so there's no use becoming horrible corporate ghouls.
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