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Captain Invictus posted:When/where did the "ralsei is a stoner" thing start God knows how long ago someone took some stock art of Mario from Mario 64 and edited a doobie into the pic. Then someone traced over that pic to be Ralsei for a shitpost (not sure when, might've been shortly after chapter 2, but might've actually been sometime during the gap between chapters and it merely exploded in popularity after chapter 2 dropped)
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There was one I can't remember if it was a youtube or tweet where Ralsei tells Kris to watch him hit "this fat dank blunt" and immediately Ralsie starts hacking cough, falls to his hands and knees and finally splats to the ground. Here's this other one instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n57D5XJQWvI
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Oct 7, 2021 05:28
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Ralsei's sprite when he's just splooted out on the ground never fails to send my sides into orbit
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Oct 7, 2021 05:37
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Classy Hydra posted:Yeah I can't get behind this one, I don't see any evidence Kris is possessed by two people and doing weird things with knives is completely within their weird kid aesthetic. People have brought up the shambling walk thing but tbh they seem pretty acrobatic if melodramatic during the bathroom scene. Even go out of their way to wash their hands, not a detail I'd imagine an invader would care about. I like the idea that Kris is double-possessed, or at least possessed by something other than the player, because I really really really hate the idea that the mere act of playing the game in the way it is meant to be played means we're committing grievous act of violence against Kris and their autonomy. That is some Spec Ops: The Line bullshit, and I am not here for it. I have a hard time believing that Toby Fox would be that mean-spirited in their writing. I choose to believe that, route dependent, the player can be an entity that is helping Kris, not seizing control of them or forcing them to be a puppet. Thankfully, I think there's enough wiggle room in the material to support that reading. They've been violently tearing their SOUL out for a long time now. Months, if not years. The player only showed up a day and a half ago.
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Oct 7, 2021 05:41
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Valcione posted:I like the idea that Kris is double-possessed, or at least possessed by something other than the player, because I really really really hate the idea that the mere act of playing the game in the way it is meant to be played means we're committing grievous act of violence against Kris and their autonomy. That is some Spec Ops: The Line bullshit, and I am not here for it. I have a hard time believing that Toby Fox would be that mean-spirited in their writing. This bit I emphasized is why it’s not really Spec Ops poo poo. If Kris has been doing this for so long Toriel shrugs off the hour-long bathroom trip while a friend is over for the first time, why would we be the first player/entity to be in this position? And given how Kris seems to feel, our predecessors may not have been as kind as you plan to be. In fact, given how powerful SOULs can be and how bad the consequences of screwing around in the Dark World can be, I think it’s entirely possible they’ve hosed up quite a lot!
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rko posted:This bit I emphasized is why it’s not really Spec Ops poo poo. If Kris has been doing this for so long Toriel shrugs off the hour-long bathroom trip while a friend is over for the first time, why would we be the first player/entity to be in this position? And given how Kris seems to feel, our predecessors may not have been as kind as you plan to be. In fact, given how powerful SOULs can be and how bad the consequences of screwing around in the Dark World can be, I think it’s entirely possible they’ve hosed up quite a lot! I don't want to be just the latest in a long string of abusers either!
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Oct 7, 2021 06:54
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Kris and me will be tight by the end of the game. I can feel it.
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Oct 7, 2021 06:54
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i feel like the track is just one chord change away from being able to turn into cruel angel's thesis and it's making me really want to hear a deltarune/evangelion mashup
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Cephas posted:i feel like the track is just one chord change away from being able to turn into cruel angel's thesis and it's making me really want to hear a deltarune/evangelion mashup
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Oct 7, 2021 07:11
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Oct 7, 2021 07:16
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My read on The Kris Situation at least on the normal route which is maybe not super supported by facts but happens to vibe with me is that Kris wants to have the soul in them and that the player is helping Kris achieve their goal of having positive interactions with people, but for whatever reason the soul has to be removed eventually, and in those periods Kris is susceptible to self-sabotaging thought patterns, which idk we could call a demon or something. Mainly because the thing of coming home after having a actually rather nice day and then approaching a mental breakdown in the evening is exactly me as my daily dose of extended-release meds fades out. There's some handwaving required to make that fit with all the dialog options but I have misread worse games more drastically, so it's probably okay, and makes me feel a bit better about playing the game.
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Oct 7, 2021 07:28
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No, I think that largely tracks. Mainly because I think Toby Fox isn't going to force us to play the role of villain, and Kris is obviously a character who has some degree of individuality and agency. Unless I'm wrong on one of those counts, whatever is going on has to account for those factors, and what we're doing needs to help (or at least not harm) Kris in the end. The story may get more complex, but I'm pretty sure your idea is actually the simplest explanation of Kris' situation.
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Oct 7, 2021 07:49
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Kris’ biggest freak out specifically comes after Spamton, a fight all about the terrifying nature of being a puppet for someone else no matter how powerful you are. Kris can be generally okay with the SOUL situation but freak out specifically due to Spamton reminding Kris that the situation has the potential to go very wrong. Kris is used to removing their SOUL and certainly seems okay when you make choices that agree with Kris’ own preferences. They make disagreements known but the fact they can remove their SOUL means to an extent they accept and want your control until they don’t.
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Oct 7, 2021 07:58
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My thoughts on Deltarune are that despite all this weird meta poo poo and the mysterious and magical Dark World, the actual big narrative hooks and real drama are going to be the mundane real world stuff. So I think Kris's whole situation with the Soul is probably going to be closley tied to being a weird lonely kid who has divorced parents and really misses their brother, and not like being controlled by Bunker ghosts or just being possessed because meta commentary on silent jrpg protagonists. In that regard, I like the theory of "Kris is down for the possession in order to not have to deal with their life (but is still kinda freaked out by the whole scenario)" because it ties the Soul thing into normal-rear end life poo poo and also rolls in those themes of escapism that have come up in the first 2 chapters.
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https://twitter.com/DunceJoy/status/1445414568721887235?s=19 be aware
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Oct 7, 2021 08:18
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As of Chapter 2 I think basically any Kris-Soul theory has to reckon with the fact the possession is very obviously intentional on Kris' part. Not only have they demonstrated the ability to remove the soul at will, but they've also shown them deliberately put it back, with no obvious physical reason why that's necessary --they're not turning to dust or anything. Clearly, this isn't a "demonic possession" scenario; for some reason or another, Kris wants us around and in control. They also want the ability to restrain us against our will occasionally, hence the cage and such. Occasionally Kris suggests displeasure with stuff we're doing (usually playing the piano), but I think that's less indignation over being controlled than mild irritation over how much we suck. There's arguments about what that means on a thematic level (I think you can definitely make some guesses at this point, but I think a full analysis of Kris is still out of scope), but I think it's definitely clear enough that readings like "we're actually the evil ghost possessing an innocent kid oogity boogity" can be crossed off. Except in weird route. I guess that's still accurate for weird route. If anything, the obvious analogy is to escapism, like Chapter 2 basically drilled into our heads. Kris quite literally becomes a different person, who can do things that they can't, make friends with everyone around them, and be the big badass anime hero, with nobody any the wiser than anything's changed. The Kris we always hear about is someone particularly inept at making connections with people around them, increasingly isolated from their adopted family, estranged from the community, looking for magical solutions to their problems-- it follows why they'd want someone else to just take over for a bit, to be them. And, equally, it also probably stings to know that person isn't them. Not really.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:00
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It will all be cleared up once we get plugged into the machine we will find near the end of chapter four that let's Kris and the player directly talk to each other. Source: Gaster called me on the phone and told me.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:04
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Valcione posted:I don't want to be just the latest in a long string of abusers either! I am like 500% sure Toby Fox isn’t making a game where you can only hurt these incredibly lovable imaginary friends he made up, but I also feel like Ralsei and Kris wouldn’t be so keen to show you this fun adventure if they didn’t know something that might change our minds. I’m also pretty sure there’s a reason Kris can’t stop doing this other than “players mostly wanna kill stuff” or something. There really aren’t a lot of stories, much less games, that do anything really interesting by making their heroes oppose the audience/player—it’s usually pretty one-note, when they choose to do it. That’s The Twist: You’re The Baddie. I think Toby Fox is going to do something with more nuance and flavor than that, which is why I hope there’s no Second Knight/Second Possessor. It could be very cool. Whatever the truth is though I’m highly invested in making sure all of these small imaginary friends, who are now also my friends, get to a proper happy ending, with the dankest possible joints for all.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:07
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There is another obvious route, that Kris is the villain and we will have to stop them. That’s not more interesting than the player being the villain, so I don’t think that’s gonna happen either, but it is an option.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:12
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I wish Toby Fox had come up with a team name instead of having to say Toby Fox all the time. It's very 'MGSV a Hideo Kojima production' And that's cool if you're into it but I don't like saying first and last names so much.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:30
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His online handle before he started just going by Toby Fox was “Radiation.” You can probably call him that if you prefer, I doubt he’d mind.
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RareAcumen posted:I wish Toby Fox had come up with a team name instead of having to say Toby Fox all the time. It's very 'MGSV a Hideo Kojima production' Fun Gang.
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Annoying Dog Productions The (Dark) gently caress Squad
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Given all the hints with the existing save file and creating at least one Dark Fountain, I think Kris is at the very least clearly up to something, the details of which we are not currently privy to. It does seem implied that Kris intends to some degree to have a symbiotic relationship with the SOUL, but actively rebels when it (you) do things that Kris does not want to do, with varying degrees of success. And on the other hand, removes the SOUL when Kris wants to do things that they don't think you would be willing or able to do, or acting on knowledge that the player doesn't have. The zombie-like movements and questionable actions seem almost played up for the camera as it were, but, from painful experience, gives me a vibe that Kris is badly depressed to the point of barely functional and seems content to let the player pilot them around as long as they're not doing anything too heinous or against their character. The ending of Chapter 1 is just Kris being loving hungry from the day's adventure.
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Oct 7, 2021 13:20
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https://twitter.com/Vlurr143/status/1445822937534111746
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Oct 7, 2021 13:46
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Ralsei would never smoke weed. That model is not canon-compliant.
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If anyone is smoking weed it's Noelle
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Macaluso posted:If anyone is smoking weed it's Noelle getting hosed up off of those holly leaves
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Oct 7, 2021 14:26
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ralsei’s more of a baker and noelle’s got enough “mistletoe” to kick god’s rear end and the devil’s too
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Oct 7, 2021 14:27
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Kris would like to do a weed, but Toriel says this is god's house and they vape in here.
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Oct 7, 2021 14:32
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Sans does meth. But not so much he loses teeth. Edit: asgore absolutely takes prescription meds "for his back"
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Oct 7, 2021 14:35
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This popped up in my recommendations, it's pretty cool, I've seen some other videos in the past of musicians unfamiliar with undertale's soundtrack listen/play along/whatever, and it's neat to see them break various tracks down. Anyone got any more like this one? There's gotta be tons of them by this point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZ4KMswee4&hd=1
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Ralsei is definitely not cool enough to drugs, but would absolutely cave if Kris or Susie applied even the slightest of peer pressure.
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Oct 7, 2021 14:51
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"But Kris drugs are illegal." "Proceed"
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Oct 7, 2021 14:54
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Weed is legal in the dark world. The piles of dust at the start of chapter one are actually big piles of ash.
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Electric Phantasm posted:"But Kris drugs are illegal." notably this is how you progress into LV. 3 Dank Prince
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Captain Invictus posted:This popped up in my recommendations, it's pretty cool, I've seen some other videos in the past of musicians unfamiliar with undertale's soundtrack listen/play along/whatever, and it's neat to see them break various tracks down. Anyone got any more like this one? There's gotta be tons of them by this point. Ideally someone who actually has something to say about it instead of playing along a bit and going "this is good". I know the music is good, thanks. Tell me something about it instead of just speculating about what key it's in. With all the drug talk I'm now imagining Kris bringing a bong to the dark world and then being dismayed that the bong is now alive and not interested in being filled with smoke.
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Finally working on Spamton Neo, and the time has finally come that I have reason to regret using Power of "NEO" as my ringtone.
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Brandfarlig posted:Ideally someone who actually has something to say about it instead of playing along a bit and going "this is good". I know the music is good, thanks. Tell me something about it instead of just speculating about what key it's in. Maybe read this and its part 2 if you haven't yet? https://jasonyu.me/undertale-part-1/
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