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As far as removing the DLL/changing the registry for my incompatible CPU (7700k), is that something I just do after I install Windows 11 or is there something I need to gently caress with beforehand? I have an ISO installer drive that I already made for my laptop.
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So an i5 6500 isn’t good enough for Windows 11? Not gonna upgrade my entire computer for this poo poo.
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Oct 8, 2021 05:28
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I upgraded on Monday and everything was working fine now my taskbar is non-responsive on boot and I have to kill explorer.exe a few times for the taskbar to work
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Oct 8, 2021 06:06
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Hungry Computer posted:Ctrl+shift opens a program with elevated permissions(as admin), which is why the UAC prompt comes up. You really shouldn't be running programs elevated unless you have a specific reason, and should probably never run a web browser elevated. Right! ok, that make more sense. That means that we are without a "shift+click on the running application in the taskbar" for a second instance. Right click on the application is fine, but shift click seemed faster.
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Oct 8, 2021 06:17
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Vintersorg posted:So an i5 6500 isn’t good enough for Windows 11? Not gonna upgrade my entire computer for this poo poo. My system could run it fine, but I see no reason to "upgrade" from what I've seen so far. The more interesting stuff like running Android apps and DirectStorage isn't even there yet, and the UI regressions would just piss me off constantly. Right now it looks to me like "Imagine Windows 10, but worse."
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Oct 8, 2021 07:00
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Vintersorg posted:So an i5 6500 isn’t good enough for Windows 11? Not gonna upgrade my entire computer for this poo poo. It probably is. They're just being super crazy about the requirements this time around. My guess was that there's a security feature in the later CPUs that they plan to leverage later on, but that might not hold water, as some of the CPUs from the same generation are being excluded. I think they just drew the line arbitrarily high for the launch and that will relax later.
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Oct 8, 2021 10:33
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url posted:Right! ok, that make more sense. Middle click also opens a second instance.
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Oct 8, 2021 11:31
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For now I'm gonna say stop worrying about your "incompatible" hardware. The 4300u or whatever it is in my Surface Pro 3 sure ain't approved but it worked with no issue installing clean from USB. No warnings or nothin
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Oct 8, 2021 11:44
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Every reboot, my second monitor is losing its portrait orientation and positioning relative to my first monitor. Every other reboot, fixing the orientation in settings results in a green screen crash. Super, super, super annoying. Then there's the weird audio/input lag/choppiness that happens once in a while for no discernible reason. This sort of reminds me of the effect when there would be too many sprites on screen on a SNES. Everything else is pretty okay. But that's the most I could say -- it's pretty okay. What compelling reason is there to run Windows 11? Is there one? gently caress. Why did I do this. Sneeze Party fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 14:01
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No trouble with multi monitor yet, thats with a portrait to the left of my main as well as a landscape connected to my SL3 via surface dock
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Oct 8, 2021 14:40
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Middle click also opens a second instance. Thank you very much for this. Will take a bit to get used to, but Middle-Click does indeed open a second instance off the taskbar.
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Oct 8, 2021 14:44
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Has anyone been able to successfully force the visual refresh in Microsoft Office 365? I got the prompt under the Coming Soon windows, clicked the toggle to switch, and nothing happened because the toggle wasn't working. I wonder if it's an IT related issue since my Office 365 is through university.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:35
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I'm installing windows 11 on my main desktop, which has an i7 3770 from 2012. No secure boot, no TPM, and CPU is unsupported. Every practical neuron in my brain is screaming at me that this is dumb and I'm ignoring them because doing stupid poo poo is fun and this is less stupid than the time I worked on my house's wiring while drunk. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone knows what the actual purpose is of registry entries that let you bypass requirements? Like, is it intended to serve some legitimate purpose for end users, is it a remnant from the development process that got overlooked, or what?
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Oct 8, 2021 18:24
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Worst case, you heave 10 back on. Long as you got enough memory and a SSD, 3770 still gonna run the OS and basic tasks well enough. No need to condemn it
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Oct 8, 2021 18:28
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Everything worked smoothly, except OpenShell apparently doesn't support Win11 yet, so my start button didn't work. People have mentioned alternatives but I'm gonna give the new start menu time to either grow on me or, uh, the opposite of that. Everything feels snappier, and it unfucked whatever was keeping any MS Store apps from working. Would recommend.
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Oct 8, 2021 21:15
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Windows 11 is unusable without StartAllBack to me, the new start menu is terrible. But that I could live with, but not being able to move the taskbar to the sides of my monitors is a dealbreaker. Microsoft really should bundle it with 11.
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Oct 8, 2021 22:45
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hooah posted:For some reason Slack and Discord suddenly decided that if I maximize them, they're going to cover the taskbar. But only on my second screen. Also, for Discord, the middle caption button is still the maximize glyph rather than the restore one. WTF is going on? I can only assume some stupid Electron poo poo. And after waking the machine back up this evening, it's happened again. This is some poo poo.
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Oct 9, 2021 00:31
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I'm installing windows 11 on my main desktop, which has an i7 3770 from 2012. No secure boot, no TPM, and CPU is unsupported. Every practical neuron in my brain is screaming at me that this is dumb and I'm ignoring them because doing stupid poo poo is fun and this is less stupid than the time I worked on my house's wiring while drunk. I’m not sure in this case. One of the techie channels I follow on YouTube linked to an official Microsoft walk-through of how to edit the registry to allow it. It’s not some OS hacker in Serbia, it’s an actual Microsoft support page. I don’t understand and there is no reason given. I mean, poo poo. It’s a free download. It’s not like unlocking DLC and charging for essential new features. In my (non-business) estimation, it would actually be costing them money for bandwidth and servers and staff to have multiple millions of users attempting to download when they really shouldn’t even be trying in the first place because their rigs aren’t supported.
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Oct 9, 2021 01:15
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The main goal is probably forcing OEMs and mainboard manufacturers into making these new requirements their defaults, so they can be enforced when Windows 12 comes around. Mainboard manufacturers especially are notorious for super conservative default settings.
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Oct 9, 2021 01:20
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Fame Douglas posted:The main goal is probably forcing OEMs and mainboard manufacturers into making these new requirements their defaults, so they can be enforced when Windows 12 comes around. This does make sense. I stopped worrying about planning for the future in my late 20s. I’m also not on the board at an international company; I believed Windows 10 was the last version, and it would just update with the times.
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Oct 9, 2021 01:35
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It's possible whatever implementation they used such that there's such a simple fix was just the easiest one, given that they know businesses aren't going to do it and 99.999% of home users don't even know what the registry is.
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Oct 9, 2021 02:16
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I ended up going back to Windows 10. I think 11 needs a little time to settle. I had a few issues that I never had in 10, such as occasional crackling audio and stuttering in games. One thing to be aware of is that it seems like File History backups from 11 can't be restored on 10.
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Oct 9, 2021 03:33
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Fame Douglas posted:The main goal is probably forcing OEMs and mainboard manufacturers into making these new requirements their defaults, so they can be enforced when Windows 12 comes around. One of Ars Technica's recent pieces at launch pegged it to being a DoD requirement, in which case Microsoft needed to force it to get system integrators on board. So the hassle/trouble on your own desktop you built yourself is so Microsoft can sell other licenses on other computers to the US military.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Middle click also opens a second instance. You are the hero I need! Thanks for that!
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Oct 9, 2021 06:18
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I've discovered a new most grating thing about windows 11: if you do the typical "type the first few letters of an app to find it" thing with the start menu, it works fine, but if you type a few more letters, it'll attempt to start a bing search through edge instead. That means they're limiting you to something like 4 letters and if you inadvertently go over before you reflexively press enter, it'll launch edge and do a bing search of the incomplete app name you just typed. And I can't find a way to turn this off. Great, thanks Microsoft!
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Oct 9, 2021 12:50
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Arivia posted:One of Ars Technica's recent pieces at launch pegged it to being a DoD requirement, in which case Microsoft needed to force it to get system integrators on board. So the hassle/trouble on your own desktop you built yourself is so Microsoft can sell other licenses on other computers to the US military. Which also makes sense on why it's so easy to disable.
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Oct 9, 2021 13:52
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I'm surprised the DoD has moved on from Windows 3.0. I thought they barely just moved to Windows 98. There are dudes in nuclear stockpile monitoring stations still using gigantic floppy disks from the 60s. The notion that MS did the TPM thing for US military is scarcely believable. The IT equipment across the board are relics ran by illiterate dinosaurs. 'Military-grade' is an ironic by-word for the cheapest possible tat done by the lowest bidder as a last resort.
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Oct 9, 2021 13:55
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redeyes posted:You know you won't get updates right? Doesn't matter? i just did the brute apraissess.dll thing and it totally downloads the current 11 build. also it let me install the latest windows defender libraries. loving w11 so far, i was having troubles with my rx590 drivers and i installed them again and everything is working good so far.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I've discovered a new most grating thing about windows 11: if you do the typical "type the first few letters of an app to find it" thing with the start menu, it works fine, but if you type a few more letters, it'll attempt to start a bing search through edge instead. That means they're limiting you to something like 4 letters and if you inadvertently go over before you reflexively press enter, it'll launch edge and do a bing search of the incomplete app name you just typed. And I can't find a way to turn this off. Great, thanks Microsoft! Do the Win10 methods to block bing search on the start menu still exist / work? (group policy, registry edit)
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They've generally been trying to move away from the concept of passwords, as passwords cause all sorts of problems. I think the TPM thing is a big part of that, and I think it's true that if you can give people a way to not have to deal with passwords they will be very happy.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I've discovered a new most grating thing about windows 11: if you do the typical "type the first few letters of an app to find it" thing with the start menu, it works fine, but if you type a few more letters, it'll attempt to start a bing search through edge instead. That means they're limiting you to something like 4 letters and if you inadvertently go over before you reflexively press enter, it'll launch edge and do a bing search of the incomplete app name you just typed. And I can't find a way to turn this off. Great, thanks Microsoft! That definitely doesn't happen with my system. I don't have a solution unfortunately, but it's not the intended behaviour. Possibly still indexing things, if it's a relatively new install? I'm actually very impressed with search, it has been lightning fast and very reliable so far. I typed 'blend' as a test and it found Blender as a first result, then the web result, then all folders with blend in the title, followed by all my .blend files, immediately shown and properly categorised. Pretty much the same experience with all my searches. Really impressive after 10, and even better than 7 too.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I'm surprised the DoD has moved on from Windows 3.0. I thought they barely just moved to Windows 98. There are dudes in nuclear stockpile monitoring stations still using gigantic floppy disks from the 60s. There's a huge difference between DoD as in the legacy hardware running systems so secure that the requirements for replacement are astronomical and DoD as in the dudes sitting at a desk at a base sending each other emails about the next PowerPoint presentation. Most of the latter have been on Windows 10 for years now. edit: and most of that office worker IT poo poo isn't using some special "military grade" hardware - whatever your opinion of that might be - it's COTS equipment being supplied by a civilian vendor and even money maintained by a bunch of civilian contractors. edit 2: which is all to say that some of these changes being driven by them trying to lock down things for government contracts isn't implausible. Frankly it probably also helps the sale to regular 'ol enterprise customers who are also concerned about security. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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hooah posted:And after waking the machine back up this evening, it's happened again. This is some poo poo. Waking it today and everything behaved properly. 
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Zeta Acosta posted:i just did the brute apraissess.dll thing and it totally downloads the current 11 build. also it let me install the latest windows defender libraries. When you say current build is there a newer-than RTM whatever official build? I loaded it on one PC I have but I didn't notice any new builds under the updates. But you ARE getting updates I think you are saying so thank god. redeyes fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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redeyes posted:When you say current build is there a newer-than RTM whatever official build? I loaded it on one PC I have but I didn't notice any new builds under the updates. But you ARE getting updates I think you are saying so thank god. right now i have the 21H2 version i dont know if that was the release version or not. you download the iso from microsoft, do the fuckery to install it on unsoported hardware and setup.exe will search for updates and download them before setup starts normally it is me or w11 boot slower than w10 but the apps start faster? Zeta Acosta fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Zeta Acosta posted:it is me or w11 boot slower than w10 but the apps start faster? for me it's the opposite, my KeePass login now takes a couple seconds longer to pop up whereas on 10 it was pretty much there as soon as I reached the desktop
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Oct 10, 2021 14:54
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It's weird, davinci legit Open faster
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Oct 10, 2021 16:11
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url posted:You are the hero I need! Heh, you're welcome. It's had that function since Windows 7.
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Arivia posted:One of Ars Technica's recent pieces at launch pegged it to being a DoD requirement, in which case Microsoft needed to force it to get system integrators on board. So the hassle/trouble on your own desktop you built yourself is so Microsoft can sell other licenses on other computers to the US military. The thing is that all (non legacy) DoD systems have been TPM 2.0 compliant for years. The deadline to enable 2.0 on most machines was like a year ago. And the army at least is always a year or two behind on OS releases, so you wont see machines running 11 till probably march 2023. Also, you dont go into a store and buy a machine for the DoD. You go through a contract site and buy from pre-approved product that meet a minimum requirement. So any machine you've bought for your department/unit from the past like 3 years HAD to be TPM 2.0 compliant (And equipment buys usually happen every 3 years) I think that the move to force TPM 2.0 on machines is less DoD and more microsoft forcing a minimum standard on other corporate environments.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I'm surprised the DoD has moved on from Windows 3.0. I thought they barely just moved to Windows 98. There are dudes in nuclear stockpile monitoring stations still using gigantic floppy disks from the 60s. I think the 8" floppies with the launch programs were finally replaced a couple years ago
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