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Kyrosiris posted:Sage is gonna be APM as gently caress, huh? You can't really sit in Eukrasia, but you need to dip in to keep up your DoT, to put up shields, etc. I noticed the recast times are lower, so I think Eukrasia-[action] replaces one regular GCD. The heal versions seem to be good for movement a la Ruin 2, and as a bonus you get an Addersting stack which lets you use another instant GCD attack in Toxicon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThahHzMScl4 The light/pigment analogy was the first thing I thought of when I saw this reveal. But I never made the connection to class politics, with the rich hoarding their wealth and causing stagnation. Strangely relevant to the real world!
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Fister Roboto posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThahHzMScl4 I've wondered for a while if Eulmore was intended as a direct representation of those rich assholes building walled compounds in New Zealand to hedge their bets against the climate change their industries helped cause, or the ghouls clearly just trying to ride out the remainder of their lives in luxury because the world-worsening catastrophes are likely to happen after their times or are inevitable. Whether or not they were being thought of when pen was being put to paper, because it was the first thing to come to my mind.
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Oct 8, 2021 18:28
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Is there a lore explanation for how linkshells work? The in-ear phone we have. It's obviously some sort of magic yet it's susceptible to eavesdropping and jamming.
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Ironslave posted:I've wondered for a while if Eulmore was intended as a direct representation of those rich assholes building walled compounds in New Zealand to hedge their bets against the climate change their industries helped cause, or the ghouls clearly just trying to ride out the remainder of their lives in luxury because the world-worsening catastrophes are likely to happen after their times or are inevitable. Whether or not they were being thought of when pen was being put to paper, because it was the first thing to come to my mind. Privileged people who aren't interested in putting in hard work to make the future better because they're comfortable now exist everywhere. As an American I'm always keen to point at stuff and be like "this is a criticism of X USA problem" but I think the complacency of the Eulmorans, how easily they accept Vauthry's tyranny, and even enforce it through their apathy, is meant to be a condemnation of that attitude in general.
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FuturePastNow posted:Is there a lore explanation for how linkshells work? The in-ear phone we have. It's obviously some sort of magic yet it's susceptible to eavesdropping and jamming. There really wasn't any even in FFXI. Final Fantasy Wiki posted:Linkpearls are little more than an under-explained gameplay feature, and the manners by which they receive and convey speech are unclear. An NPC can be met in Jeuno who speaks aloud over a linkpearl as though it were a cell phone, but adventurers' words are not heard by those around them. Their range is seemingly infinite, spanning even across time and whole dimensions. Members in the main areas of Vana'diel can hear clearly from members in the past areas and in other dimensions like Dynamis and Abyssea.
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It's worth considering that capital has both umbral and astral cycles. It grows and revolutionizes itself when it's able to throw all the surplus value it reaps right back into production, but if there's nowhere to invest or no one sell to then that surplus stagnates, freezes, and ultimately triggers crisis.
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Ferrinus posted:It's worth considering that capital has both umbral and astral cycles. It grows and revolutionizes itself when it's able to throw all the surplus value it reaps right back into production, but if there's nowhere to invest or no one sell to then that surplus stagnates, freezes, and ultimately triggers crisis.  eikons are pure *sniff* ideology
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I recall seeing something about Linkpearls in game where they're all from the same psychic sea-creature or something and that's how they work? Like they all get harvested at one time from a psychic clam, and so they're a single set that can communicate with eachother. Presumably the other stuff is magitek built from studying the Linkpearls and their psychic connections.
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Chillgamesh posted:Privileged people who aren't interested in putting in hard work to make the future better because they're comfortable now exist everywhere. As an American I'm always keen to point at stuff and be like "this is a criticism of X USA problem" but I think the complacency of the Eulmorans, how easily they accept Vauthry's tyranny, and even enforce it through their apathy, is meant to be a condemnation of that attitude in general. But also Vauthry turns Mount Gulg into what can only be described as a heaven themed Trump hotel
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i gotta say, at no point in the past 2+ years have i thought of mt gulg as a heaven-themed trump hotel, nor will i think of it as one in the future
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Oct 8, 2021 19:17
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multijoe posted:But also Vauthry turns Mount Gulg into what can only be described as a heaven themed Trump hotel It's not nearly gaudy enough to be that, honestly. Swap the gold and white in the color scheme, and maybe.
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The white and gold colour scheme, the polished marble floors and faux-classical architechture, it's just so tacky and noveau rich in that aesthetic I'm sure it was a deliberate inspiration
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In Japanese they do call him "Don Vauthry" but I guess they removed that title in English for whatever reason, maybe being a little too on-the-nose 
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multijoe posted:The white and gold colour scheme, the polished marble floors and faux-classical architechture, it's just so tacky and noveau rich in that aesthetic I'm sure it was a deliberate inspiration Alternatively it was meant to be 'heaven'. You know because Sin eaters have an angel motif.
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Hellioning posted:Alternatively it was meant to be 'heaven'. You know because Sin eaters have an angel motif. But it's an insanely naff and tacky version of heaven produced by a man with the sensibilities of a child, like the afterlife doesn't *need* that much gilding and marble flooring. And I'm nto saying it was a one-to-one parody of it, but given the time the game was in produced I reckon it was probably rattling around in the production teams brains
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Vauthry is meant to be ostentatious, self-important, and greedy. Mt. Gulg just a reflection of that. I don't think Trump is meant to be a direct inspiration of Vauthry. Their similarities are mostly surface-level and you could draw the same comparisons between Vauthry and pretty much any egotistical person in a position of power (politician, CEO, high-ranking clergy, etc.) I think if Vauthry were meant to be more directly inspired by Trump he'd probably be written to be more aggressive and boorish, and his supporters would be more driven by self-destructive hatred and lies in addition to the need to protect their comfort zone. The main point of Vauthry and the Eulmorans as villains is a criticism of "nothing matters lol" as an attitude.
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Vauthry was also designed by Japanese artists, and while I'm sure they were aware of the broad outlines of Donald Trump and his "deal," they were probably not setting out to make an incisive takedown of the Trump presidency as such. Shadowbringers did speak to the moment pretty well, but I would say that is more "a good story will always have something to say" than "Ishikawa thought 'hell yes, I'm going to slam Trump'."
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Partially because one of the ways the story presents Vauthry is that he could've been a force for good even with his upbringing under his probably lovely selfish father (the previous mayor). He chooses to instead revel in his own "divinity" and stagnate instead of using say, the ability to control Sin Eaters to help the rest of the world destroy them. Which is not a plot beat I would expect from anyone doing a take down/allegory of Trump and Trumpism.
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Chillgamesh posted:Privileged people who aren't interested in putting in hard work to make the future better because they're comfortable now exist everywhere. As an American I'm always keen to point at stuff and be like "this is a criticism of X USA problem" but I think the complacency of the Eulmorans, how easily they accept Vauthry's tyranny, and even enforce it through their apathy, is meant to be a condemnation of that attitude in general. Sure, but right now we have affluent people building apocalypse compounds where they intend to ride out an ongoing and very present existential threat to the planet in a fatalistic belief that doom is approaching and they should live as indulgently as possible until then. It's not weird or seeing things to wonder if this plot, which came out in the middle of these things happening, may be taking direct influence from the things happening in the world today.
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Ironslave posted:Sure, but right now we have affluent people building apocalypse compounds where they intend to ride out an ongoing and very present existential threat to the planet in a fatalistic belief that doom is approaching and they should live as indulgently as possible until then. It's not weird or seeing things to wonder if this plot, which came out in the middle of these things happening, may be taking direct influence from the things happening in the world today. I agree that the writers took inspiration from the real world about them to create Vauthry and Eulmore, I'm just saying I don't think they're meant to represent any one group in particular. The attitude is everywhere. I think your specific example of the billionaires asking security specialists if shock collars will be enough to keep their private guards in line after the climate apocalypse doesn't quite fit perfectly either, since not only do they plan to maintain their wealth and power after the collapse, but they're doing so in a very private conspiratorial manner and they aren't trying to create a giant, open suicide cult around it the way Eulmore is.
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he's also don vauthry as analogue don corneo in 7, another notable greedy slob
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Odd thought occurred to me today. The Lunar primals we've seen so far are implied to have been summoned by their followers imprisoned in the towers. Lunar Ifrit is being summoned by the captive Amalj'aa, Lunar Ravana by captured Gnath, Lunar Bahamut by Meracydian dragons... So who is summoning Lunar Odin? OG Odin is one of the weapons from the Baldesion Arsenal that Eureka created. As far as I'm aware (I haven't finished Eureka's storyline yet, currently stuck in Pagos), Odin shouldn't have or even need any active worshippers to summon and sustain him.
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W.T. Fits posted:Odd thought occurred to me today. The Lunar primals we've seen so far are implied to have been summoned by their followers imprisoned in the towers. Lunar Ifrit is being summoned by the captive Amalj'aa, Lunar Ravana by captured Gnath, Lunar Bahamut by Meracydian dragons... One of the towers out there just has a sword chained down inside it.
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Bruceski posted:One of the towers out there just has a sword chained down inside it.
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multijoe posted:The white and gold colour scheme, the polished marble floors and faux-classical architechture, it's just so tacky and noveau rich in that aesthetic I'm sure it was a deliberate inspiration Aww, I kinda like Mt. Gulg's aesthetic, although I'd actually point more to the tackiness of its gardens - perfectly rigid, regular, with no organic element to it. They're there because it's a requisite symbol of Class and Luxury, with no actual artistic inspiration or spirit to it. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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W.T. Fits posted:Odd thought occurred to me today. The Lunar primals we've seen so far are implied to have been summoned by their followers imprisoned in the towers. Lunar Ifrit is being summoned by the captive Amalj'aa, Lunar Ravana by captured Gnath, Lunar Bahamut by Meracydian dragons... No, you're right, Lunar Odin cannot exist in the same ways, this was the loudest question I had the moment the 5.5 trailer landed, and it only got louder with 5.55. I don't give a drat about maybe-Venat because that presence doesn't really break or add anything, but Lunar Odin doesn't make sense with the information we were given, and we don't have any clear alternative roads it could be taking. There's a good handful of possible reasons for Lunar Odin; my bet being that perhaps a tower in/near the Shroud has a bunch of rural Shroud or Gelmorran locals who aren't super religious, but when pressed to pray to something for their rescue landed on that fuckoff-scary dread swordsman that walks their homeland. But we're left asking the question because none of those answers have been given yet, and possibly never will.
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I'm having a good halloween laugh imagining a bunch of ornate swords strapped to the Black Shroud tower's walls like the Paglth'an one and they also scream a haunting melody to summon lunar odin
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The Telephoroi captured a bunch of adventurers who got the killing blow on Odin and instead of shrieking they all argue over what Odin looks like.
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Cleretic posted:
This is likely the answer but Vitamean posted:I'm having a good halloween laugh imagining a bunch of ornate swords strapped to the Black Shroud tower's walls like the Paglth'an one and they also scream a haunting melody to summon lunar odin I'm going with this
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Lunar Bahamut was summoned using the tempered dragons still in the parts of Dalamud. Why do you think there were so many dragons in Paglthan Edit: apparently I can’t read, y’all were talking about Odin thetoughestbean fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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My theory for why Lunar Odin exists is that Fancy Dan strapped a bunch of the weeaboos you learn about in the 50-60 SAM quests into a tower.
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It’s not like you need religious belief to summon Odin anyways. As long as people know about the legend, a version should be summonable. Presumably, if you strapped enough Ishgardians to a tower, you could get a lunar shiva or even lunar pope, and neither of those are worshipped deities. And the supercomputer from the Smn job quests already assumes that a primal version of our WoL should be possible to create an egi of now. Allarion fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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Allarion posted:It’s not like you need religious belief to summon Odin anyways. As long as people know about the legend, a version should be summonable. Presumably, if you strapped enough Ishgardians to a tower, you could get a lunar shiva or even lunar pope, and neither of those are worshipped deities. This is theoretically true (we don't actually know what precisely needs to be true for summoning Lunar Primals yet), it still leaves the question of 'then who did'. What population did Fandaniel find and tower that, when put in that situation, specifically landed on summoning Odin? What population would have him as their first choice? And again, there's answers to that, but we don't have any confirmed.
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Hell considering Odin takes the form of one of us, Lunar Odin’s real identity could just be a Lunar version of a theoretical primal version of our Warrior of Light, since people might not hope for Odin to save them, but they sure hope for the WoL at this point. And the two get meshed together in their mind like when the WoL reimagined ramuh and ixion fused together, among other things.
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Simpler possible answer: Fancy Dan grabbed the sword and then did to it whatever is being done to the primals.
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