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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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Andrast posted:I think Kok/SDP is more likely Do you know what Kepu always does? Because there's this thing Kepu always does.
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Oct 7, 2021 08:09
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On aivan vitun raivostuttavaa että sitä mukaan kun se mädän sydämensä lailla kuihtuu ja kuolee niin Keskustapuolueella on aina vaan isompi ja röyhkeämpi vaa'ankielen asema hallitusneuvotteluissa ainakin tulevalle vuosikymmenelle ellei pidemmälle, ja kaiken kukkuraksi ne lantapuntit tuntuu oikeasti tiedostavan tän.
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Oct 7, 2021 08:17
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Do you know what Kepu always does? Because there's this thing Kepu always does. joo ne pettää kokkarit olemalla menemättä hallitukseen Kok/SDP/Vihreät/RKP would be an incredibly easy coalition to set up and Kok wouldn't need to deal with the nutcases in Persut which has to be enticing
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Oct 7, 2021 08:18
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Andrast posted:joo ne pettää kokkarit olemalla menemättä hallitukseen Rudimentary Finns have the exact same political goals as Kokoomus (the voter base doesn't, but that's completely beside the point), and in case you haven't noticed, "normal" Kokoomuslaiset have already started giving hitlerish statements so I dunno about that...
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Oct 7, 2021 08:33
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Rudimentary Finns have the exact same political goals as Kokoomus (the voter base doesn't, but that's completely beside the point), and in case you haven't noticed, "normal" Kokoomuslaiset have already started giving hitlerish statements so I dunno about that... Kokoomus likes the EU and wants lots of low wage immigration
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Oct 7, 2021 08:55
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Yeah but paikallinen sopiminen Is the main political agenda that kok and pers agree on, loving over immigrants is an easy thing to agree to if it allows you to more completely gently caress over collective labour and poors.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:10
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i think you are underestimating the difficulties of getting anything done with persus, did you not see the last government But we'll see. I'm betting on Kok/SDP.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:17
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Kok absolutely are flirting with pers right now and will have zero problem forming a government with them if it comes to that, but in gov talks they will want to keep their options open and sinipuna would be the simpler choice in a lot of ways. Marin probably wouldn't like it, but there are loads of liskodemarit who clamor for that sweet neolib consensus, and if the alternative is kok/ps/kesk/kd ruling the land she might go along with it anyway (or they will change in Lindtman or someone who will). There's also Greens who I bet would love to rehabilitate their puistokokoomus image a little bit now that going with punamulta has ended up costing them and who kok could boss around with much less problem than kepu. I guess another round of sdp/kesk/vihr/vas/rkp is in the realm of possibility, but I don't know if either kesk or vihr will have much incentive for that in 2023 if their numbers remain low, and that's basically the only remotely feasible kok-free option I can think of.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:21
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Andrast posted:i think you are underestimating the difficulties of getting anything done with persus, did you not see the last government I mean the actual work in being in the same government would cause sanoma stock to skyrocket yeah but i could easily see them forming a coalition government.
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Oct 7, 2021 09:23
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Forktoss posted:Kok absolutely are flirting with pers right now and will have zero problem forming a government with them if it comes to that, but in gov talks they will want to keep their options open and sinipuna would be the simpler choice in a lot of ways. Marin probably wouldn't like it, but there are loads of liskodemarit who clamor for that sweet neolib consensus, and if the alternative is kok/ps/kesk/kd ruling the land she might go along with it anyway (or they will change in Lindtman or someone who will). There's also Greens who I bet would love to rehabilitate their puistokokoomus image a little bit now that going with punamulta has ended up costing them and who kok could boss around with much less problem than kepu. when a Valtiovarainministerinsalkku is on the line I doubt Marin will have that much issue with it
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Oct 7, 2021 09:26
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Andrast posted:i think you are underestimating the difficulties of getting anything done with persus, did you not see the last government Is there an election soon or something?
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Oct 7, 2021 10:27
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 Entinen oululaisvaltuutettu Junes Lokka tuomittiin sakkoihin kiihottamisesta kansanryhmää vastaan quote:Entinen Oulun kaupunginvaltuutettu Junes Lokka on tuomittu sakkoihin kiihottamisesta kansanryhmää vastaan. double Elokapina on ilmastolle haitaksi: liike muuttaa ilmastokeskustelun kiihkoiluksi ja kääntää tavalliset ihmiset asiaansa vastaan, kirjoittaa Sanna Ukkola quote:Siellä ne taas hilluvat, telttailemassa keskellä Mannerheimintietä ja huutamassa typeriä iskulauseitaan. Poliisipartioita joka puolella, tien reunassa hurraavia komppaajia ja ihmetteleviä kaupunkilaisia kamerakännyköineen. Sanna Ukkola on toimittajille haitaksi ja kääntää tavalliset ihmiset journalismia vastaan
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Oct 7, 2021 15:35
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I wanna meet the guy who is both extremely worried about climate but also sees elokapina and goes gently caress man I guess I don't want to solve it after all.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:52
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My main non-meat beef is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of realism in their demand for carbon neutrality in... four years. Like 2025 is reaaally soon and a lot of poo poo needs to be done. It would take longer to pass all the required legislation (also eduskunta wouldn't pass it). Their kansalaisfoorumi demand also sounds just lol, imagine passing that through perustuslakivaliokunta and then imagine all the Teuvos selected by lottery to 'fix' our politics 
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Oct 7, 2021 16:08
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Look, I'm just here to start the wiki, someone else can worry about the details
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Oct 7, 2021 17:06
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Yeah I mean, their actual demand list is just a list of things that aren't going to happen but I can't bring myself to be mad at people stopping traffic in order to go hey, what the gently caress about the climate. I'm pretty paralyzed by the requirements of day to day life and chronic cynicism about anything meaningful being done on a systemic level, so if someone still has enough soul in them to go yell about it then good.
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Oct 7, 2021 17:31
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 Twiitti tuhottu jo Alkuperä https://twitter.com/oula_silver/status/1446003075467055105?t=ZHcpLPdzUgsDXaxGntIvSQ&s=19
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Oct 7, 2021 17:40
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thats not fair no one has even given me 100 million euros 
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Oct 7, 2021 18:21
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Just think of the trickle-down effect that a thousand mega-millionaire Afghan plutocrats would have on our society!
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Oct 7, 2021 18:38
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New Kabul would be a pretty bomb rear end place (in a good way). Dubai on the Baltic.
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Oct 7, 2021 18:47
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Nenonen posted:My main non-meat beef is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of realism in their demand for carbon neutrality in... four years. Like 2025 is reaaally soon and a lot of poo poo needs to be done. It would take longer to pass all the required legislation (also eduskunta wouldn't pass it). Their kansalaisfoorumi demand also sounds just lol, imagine passing that through perustuslakivaliokunta and then imagine all the Teuvos selected by lottery to 'fix' our politics Regardless of whether it feels realistic, a fast transition to carbon neutrality is necessary to limit global warming to a level where global technological civilization can survive (hopefully, methane trapped in now-melting ice is a problem). How much more realistic is the Autarky of Finland working out once international supply chains start collapsing? Like yeah I guess we can go all in on nuclear power for electricity, but food would be a problem in the face of increasingly hostile weather.
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Oct 8, 2021 11:31
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Ornedan posted:Regardless of whether it feels realistic, a fast transition to carbon neutrality is necessary to limit global warming to a level where global technological civilization can survive (hopefully, methane trapped in now-melting ice is a problem). Well it is, but it can't be done so it's useless to argue for it. It would need the support of the majority to force through, and not that many people are going to accept measures that drastically reduce their standards of living. And unless the rest of the world follows at the same pace then it's pointless anyway.
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Oct 8, 2021 12:10
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You do realize that environmentalists have tried being Calm and Rational and Presenting Reasonable Requests for Change for the last four decades and that is how we've ended up witnessing a climate catastrophe happening in front of our very eyes, right? e. typos
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Oct 8, 2021 13:18
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Power does not concede anything without a demand - a bald theory man i think
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Oct 8, 2021 13:18
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Being anti-nuke is not reasonable.
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Oct 8, 2021 13:27
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barbecue at the folks posted:You do realize that environmentalists have tried being Calm and Rational and Presenting Reasonable Requests for Change for the last four decades and that is how we've ended up witnessing a climate catastrophe happening in front of our very eyes, right? Yes. And what is Sanna Marin supposed to say to appease the EK demands? They're impossible to fulfill in the first place (even more so than the other EK's). And mind you, they are not The Environmentalists. They are a small fringe group that is good at getting attention but bad at doing anything with it. Having been to some climate protests, I have seen that they attract some very vocal groups who have some very odd ideas and who are also very marginal. But I don't except anyone to have a ready patent solution to our problems, which is also why I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have one. Trying to do something is still good.
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Oct 8, 2021 13:37
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If PS ever gets into the government the respective ministers just crack under the pressure and have to take several months of sick leave before resigning. Sorry guys we tried.
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Oct 9, 2021 07:13
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Can't imagine the amount of death threats ps ministers would get from their voters for Finland not immediately leaving eu, bringing markka back and deporting all immigrants.
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Oct 9, 2021 08:39
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As we saw last time, nothing is more poisonous for a populist party in an actual multi-party democracy then power.
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Oct 9, 2021 09:35
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Sipilä's avokonttori and combining ministerial positions together ~~for efficiency~~ certainly helped in reducing TF/Blue life expectancy. Like seriously, who voluntarily chooses an open plan office to work in??
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Oct 9, 2021 11:51
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Hiekkakauppias posted:Can't imagine the amount of death threats ps ministers would get from their voters for Finland not immediately leaving eu, bringing markka back and deporting all immigrants. They'll just say the suvack huors are keeping them from achieving anything. Oh they're in opposition? Yeah well it's COMPLICATED just trust us!
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Oct 9, 2021 12:16
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Hiekkakauppias posted:Can't imagine the amount of death threats ps ministers would get from their voters for Finland not immediately leaving eu, bringing markka back and deporting all immigrants. Something like 20% of PS voters thinks that the party is on government right now.
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Oct 9, 2021 16:23
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What an interesting start for the weekend, when first the Police go on a far right fringe show talking about how they want to gas the extinction rebellion people and then make a narrative that demonstrating on stairs of government building is a security threat while said buildings security expert says that its all good and the president and ministers present at the building say that they didnt notice anything that would be construed as a threat.
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Oct 10, 2021 06:59
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Patrocclesiastes posted:What an interesting start for the weekend, when first the Police go on a far right fringe show talking about how they want to gas the extinction rebellion people and then make a narrative that demonstrating on stairs of government building is a security threat while said buildings security expert says that its all good and the president and ministers present at the building say that they didnt notice anything that would be construed as a threat. Someone didn't receive the memo that they got their extra funding already and YT's are cancelled, no need for posing.
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Oct 10, 2021 10:31
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quote:– Mielestäni Suomi on menossa samaan suuntaan kuin Pohjois-Korea: järjestystä on ihan liikaa ja pientä kaaosta pitäisi olla enemmän. Me pidämme Pohjois-Koreaa vastenmielisenä paikkana, mutta eroaako Suomi tietyissä asioissa loppujen lopuksi kovinkaan paljon Pohjois-Koreasta? https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12122313 What a loving moron. Definitely persumaterial.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:19
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Nenonen posted:Someone didn't receive the memo that they got their extra funding already and YT's are cancelled, no need for posing. Theyre running their trustworthiness into the ground for some reason
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Oct 10, 2021 13:44
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Poliisi: Arvioimme väärin Elokapinan aiheuttaman turvallisuusuhan Valtioneuvoston linnalla – ”Kyse oli väärinymmärryksistä” Funny to see the cops backpedaling on it since getting called out by Sale is probably too much even for them to dismiss. Funnily enough I also saw some IL journalist get mad at Li Andersson for basically saying the same thing as Niinistö did half an hour later, and then refuse to comment on if the president saying the same thing also was as pöyristyttävää as a minister saying it. They really wanted their dangerous riot narrative going, huh. quote:Miksi poliisi sitten tiedotti linnassa sisällä olleiden henkilöiden ”evakuoinneista” vaihtoehtoisten reittien kautta turvallisuustilanteen heikkenemisen takia, jos näin ei lopulta tapahtunutkaan? 
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Oct 10, 2021 15:12
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HYPRIDISODANKÄYNTIÄ HELSINGIN JA SUOMEN YTIMESSÄ TÄMÄ ON VAIN 67-VUOTIAAN RESERVIN KAPTEENIN MIELIPIDE MUTTA MINUSTA KANSAN TULEE SAADA TIETÄÄ MITÄ KADUILLAMME TAPAHTUU NAAPURIN PROVOKAATIOOT OSUVAT OTOLLISEE
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Oct 10, 2021 17:07
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Yeah ban PS as a foreign agent.
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Oct 10, 2021 17:28
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brakeless posted:HYPRIDISODANKÄYNTIÄ HELSINGIN JA SUOMEN YTIMESSÄ tässä sulle hypridi *pieree*
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Oct 10, 2021 17:32
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