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I was having a good time posting and reading posts about my fave game. Everyone's allowed to be mad about videogames, even though I strongly recommend not doing that.
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I was just destroying gamers with facts and logic
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Oct 10, 2021 00:38
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Being mad about videogames is one of my favorite activities! Sometimes even in this thread, by mistake 
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Oct 10, 2021 00:39
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DX:HR is a fantastic game. I really enjoy the gameplay and the story and have replayed it several times even though I like Mankind Divided better.
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Oct 10, 2021 01:10
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I never asked for this derail
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Oct 10, 2021 01:24
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Captain DIEgiene posted:Sometimes even in this thread, by mistake I agree. We've all erred coming here.
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Oct 10, 2021 01:31
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On the last mission of Hitman 2, in spite of being penalized for killing non-targets, I did anyway when it was the best available solution to a particular area and I could do it without alerting everywhere. It helped that it was a masquerade party for ultra rich survivalists to buy bunkers and poo poo. The thing dragging it down was that the whole island wasn't a free fire zone.
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Oct 10, 2021 01:33
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i think i agree with Vic's argument fundamentally but i am not sure because it feels like everything has become so convuluted. actually i even know what we are arguing about anymore. Deus Ex MD good?
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Oct 10, 2021 02:36
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Sally posted:i think i agree with Vic's argument fundamentally but i am not sure because it feels like everything has become so convuluted. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is half of an amazing game. The other half was cancelled.
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Oct 10, 2021 02:39
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Cleretic posted:Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is half of an amazing game. The other half was cancelled. The three extra stories (Desperate Measures, System Rift, and A Criminal Past) make up for a lot of the missing content. System Rift's bank heist is especially good.
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Oct 10, 2021 02:46
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I can see where Both Sides are coming from in this discussion.
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Oct 10, 2021 03:08
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Cleretic posted:Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is half of an amazing game. The other half was cancelled. Yeah this is how I feel about it. I'll play another Deus Ex Reboot if they ever make it
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Oct 10, 2021 03:15
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Barudak posted:Yeah this is how I feel about it. Apparently the team (or whatever is left of them) is what is making the Guardians of the Galaxy game due out this month.
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Oct 10, 2021 03:29
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Sally posted:i think i agree with Vic's argument fundamentally but i am not sure because it feels like everything has become so convuluted. The gist is, is a cutscene which evokes negative emotions a "punishment" from the developers for playing the game "wrong"? It seems kind of silly to put it that way, I mean lots of classic stories have sad endings. There are whole genres with names like "tragedy" and "horror"! Separately, does giving more xp for nonlethal actions incentivise playing nonlethal? Well, of course it does. The first time you play the game you'll kill someone, see you yet 30 xp, then knock someone out and see you get 50xp, and think "ok ill knock people out then" because you don't know how much xp is in the game and how much you'll need to get all the good upgrades. Separately again, GOAT Alpha Protocol has an "orphans created" stat for killing enemies and a "hospital bills" stat for knockouts, a nice reminder that either way you're harming people
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Oct 10, 2021 04:48
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2house2fly posted:Alpha Protocol has an "orphans created" stat for killing enemies IIRC while you're in the Middle East, this number goes up by 2-4 or more for each death, while in China it goes up by 1.
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Oct 10, 2021 05:50
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Alright now that we've gotten to the bottom of this Deus Ex problem, let's talk about how much Adam you get for sparing Little Sisters or killing them. 
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Oct 10, 2021 06:09
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Frankly I think you get enough Adam by just playing DXHR and MD.Sally posted:Deus Ex MD good? Mankind Divided is mechanically and level design wise full of Little Things in games and better than DXHR. Then there's the story which as Cleretic pointed out just kinda misses the second half. Also it revolves around the prosecution of augs which gets unintentionally more and more offensive the more parallels to real world it makes. Not a fan.
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Oct 10, 2021 08:53
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Cleretic posted:Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is half of an amazing game. The other two thirds were cancelled Wasn't it meant to be a trilogy, not a duology?
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Oct 10, 2021 09:01
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Vic posted:Also it revolves around the prosecution of augs which gets unintentionally more and more offensive the more parallels to real world it makes. Not a fan. Persecution; prosecution is the act of determining if someone is guilty in court. (Which is a separate game that I also want to play, Cyberpunk Ace Attorney would be great) But I stand by the thought that going for the angle of 'anti-augmented discrimination' isn't a bad idea, they just picked the wrong kinds of discrimination to base it on, and went too hard on it in the wrong places. I've mentioned before, but basing it on racism is definitely wrong both in terms of insensitivity and of the actual kinds of discrimination augmented people in that universe would face. A lot of other forms of discrimination wouldn't work either, for various reasons; the discrimination seen by war veterans is a tonal fit, but typically too subtle to work for a video game. Ableism would ring hollow with an able-bodied protagonist even if you did everything else right. Personally, I think the best angle would've been to base it on homophobia through the 20th and 21st centuries, but even then you'd hit problems with making direct parallels. Although really, no matter what, you hit an issue with grappling with problems like that in a story like Deus Ex, because Deus Ex has 'there are shadowy organizations running the world' built into its DNA. By nature, every problem in that game universe has been somehow orchestrated by shadowy people running the world in a secret boardroom. Even if you loving nail the rest of a narrative making parallels between augmented people and the gay community during the AIDS crisis or something, it's not going to work when it ends in 'punch this specific rear end in a top hat in the dick for happy ending'. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 09:21 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Oct 10, 2021 09:19
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Byzantine posted:IIRC while you're in the Middle East, this number goes up by 2-4 or more for each death, while in China it goes up by 1. And when you kill the high-tech tactical operators of G22, it doesn't go up at all.
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Oct 10, 2021 09:23
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Idk, it made me feel a genuine kind of creeping horror as the pogrom tightened, I thought the outrage was a little overblown. I'm sure they could have done it better but trying to evoke real world horror is better than being afraid to try in case people yell at you.
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Oct 10, 2021 09:26
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John Murdoch posted:Alright now that we've gotten to the bottom of this Deus Ex problem, let's talk about how much Adam you get for sparing Little Sisters or killing them. If you're very quick and interrupt a couple of supposed-to-be-scripted events, you can kill two little sisters and still get the good ending, so that's the optimal strategy.
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Oct 10, 2021 09:26
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Shiroc posted:On the last mission of Hitman 2, in spite of being penalized for killing non-targets, I did anyway when it was the best available solution to a particular area and I could do it without alerting everywhere. It helped that it was a masquerade party for ultra rich survivalists to buy bunkers and poo poo. The thing dragging it down was that the whole island wasn't a free fire zone. Oh I killed EVERYONE I could get away with in that level.
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Oct 10, 2021 10:06
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sebmojo posted:Idk, it made me feel a genuine kind of creeping horror as the pogrom tightened, I thought the outrage was a little overblown. That part is fine, but the writing ingame is mixing several struggles into this AND then both sides'ing the whole thing... Plus I don't buy the premise of everyone getting augs from DXHR in the first place.
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Oct 10, 2021 10:09
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Vic posted:That part is fine, but the writing ingame is mixing several struggles into this AND then both sides'ing the whole thing... Do you want to be hired? Do you have augs, or are willing to get them? Well that's nice you, but Applicant B does have augs, so we're hiring Applicant B. Good luck being employed never.
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Oct 10, 2021 10:21
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My White Mage in FFXIV is dressed up like a cowboy and my Samurai is a pirate. My Dancer is wearing lace panties and silk stockings and an oversized Fat Chocobo head. Dress-up in games is fun! Silly costumes are great!
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Oct 10, 2021 10:45
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Do you want to be hired? Do you have augs, or are willing to get them? Nah it's dumb. The neuropozine dependency is known from the get go. They require lol energy to work. Can't self repair like your limbs do. 99% of jobs wouldn't benefit from you having one. Proprietary. Look dumb. Incredible health risk. Game pretends it makes sense but it doesn't.
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Oct 10, 2021 10:52
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Why would corporations care about any of that if their workers can get .5% higher efficiency, though?
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Oct 10, 2021 10:54
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In my head canon the aug incident is just augs trying to extract that 20xp by punching everyone around them.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:00
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Vic posted:In my head canon the aug incident is just augs trying to extract that 20xp by punching everyone around them.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:11
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Vic posted:Nah it's dumb. The neuropozine dependency is known from the get go. They require lol energy to work. Can't self repair like your limbs do. 99% of jobs wouldn't benefit from you having one. Proprietary. Look dumb. Incredible health risk. This is like that one tweet that's gone around recently of an article saying 'Shinra being an all-powerful company in FFVII doesn't make sense, because people would simply choose not to support them'.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:23
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Tunicate posted:If you're very quick and interrupt a couple of supposed-to-be-scripted events, you can kill two little sisters and still get the good ending, so that's the optimal strategy.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:31
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Vic posted:Nah it's dumb. The neuropozine dependency is known from the get go. They require lol energy to work. Can't self repair like your limbs do. 99% of jobs wouldn't benefit from you having one. Proprietary. Look dumb. Incredible health risk. Cool story, you're fired, we got someone new in and slapped new augs on them to get back to work. Also we'll subsidize your energy costs if you work for us. If not, sucks to be you.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:32
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Cool story, you're fired, we got someone new in and slapped new augs on them to get back to work. 
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Oct 10, 2021 11:55
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Augs are also in the peak novelty phase at the time of HR so everyone is getting them if they can. People assume the drug dependence will be innovated away, and to be fair they're sorta right. Imagine if your boss could require you to take meth.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:26
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Lol if Amazon could slap crippling augments onto their employees to make them 10% faster in the warehouses while only having to pay them a dollar more they'd do it in a heartbeat and then dump their rear end the moment the person became less than useful. And for many people if the choice was between starving to death in an alley or getting surgery to get a job, they'd probably choose the latter.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:46
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I think augs got a lot more relevant again in the last few years. It is tech bro scum literally charging you rent for your arm/eyes/nervous system. Likewise, the modern twentysomething not only rents their apartment. All their music is rented from spotify, their books are only available through amazon, their movies are rented from netflix, their access to food is rented from those awful delivery subscriptions. You own nothing so it can all be taken away from you on a whim. How long before our clothes are being provided on a £30 a month (incl 3 free replacements!!!) subscription too?
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Oct 10, 2021 12:47
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Cleretic posted:Persecution; prosecution is the act of determining if someone is guilty in court. (Which is a separate game that I also want to play, Cyberpunk Ace Attorney would be great) "And that's precisely how this other person committed the crime,nprocing without the shadow of a doubt how innocenty client is!" *Judge looks over at BioCorp representative in the front seat of the audience, who shakes his head* "I don't see it, your client is guilty, trial adjourned" Then your client's bus is blown up on the way to the labour camps.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Augs are also in the peak novelty phase at the time of HR so everyone is getting them if they can. People assume the drug dependence will be innovated away, and to be fair they're sorta right. I mean, they still sort of do if you're in a lot of world's militaries.
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Cleretic posted:This is like that one tweet that's gone around recently of an article saying 'Shinra being an all-powerful company in FFVII doesn't make sense, because people would simply choose not to support them'. Just to be clear I'm not talking about corporate dystopia not making sense, seeing as we're living in it. I'm talking about the specifics of the technology and how it's implemented in that universe. I could extrapolate, whip out some spreadsheets if anyone's interested. But suffice to say, the nitty gritty of how everyone got augmented was handwaved. It would be military, law enforcement, organized crime, not Jenny from accounting running around with robolegs. Corps are motivated by greed. Spending money to augment a single person, instead of just outsourcing their job is far fetched. You could make it work but as it is, the game just kinda generally gestures at ideas. There's a lot of character drama and little hard sci fi in the logs and emails. Don't @ me.
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