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I'm kinda glad that they're making her captain because they were going to make all the plots about her anyway and that works much better if she's captain, but I do wish they'd guided her there better.
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This discussion about the black boxes reminded me that they kept teasing that signal thing being a recurring musical element throughout the things they were doing for the first few episodes of the season, and then it turns out to just be a coincidence and there was no further meaning behind it. Thanks guys.
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Nitrousoxide posted:"Computer: They explicitly point out in the show that you need at least 4 points for a 3D 'triangulation'
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xerxus posted:They explicitly point out in the show that you need at least 4 points for a 3D 'triangulation' Even that they did in the most hamfisted way possible. Michael is all 'we have 3 boxes we can triangulate' which anyone who's done school-level Maths will know isn't true unless it's on a flat plane, but somehow the super genius scientist whose whole plan this was needed it spelling out to her by Tilly. Re the trailer, yup, that sure looks like a season of Discovery. Gotta get those things, to stop the big bad thing!
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In the far future of Star Trek trigonometry is lostek. e: the other ham fisted thing about the last season of discovery was how the middle bit of the season had one scene per episode where staments, adira, and maybe someone else stood around the box in the engineering set and got their contractual 1 line and 30 seconds of screentime in while the show treads water on their plot and has nothing else to do. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Oct 10, 2021 10:23
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Look, all the trigonometry teachers were all on the USS Dodecahedron heading to a conference about why all the classic aliens have pointy parts now when the Burn happened. The galaxy is lucky that the Emerald Chain knew a guy who knew what a triangle was or the everyone would have been doomed when Bill Cypher came back to start more trouble.
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Epicurius posted:Not to put too fine a point on it, but every state falls apart after enough time, and change isn't a unidirectional thing. If Star Trek has one message throughout the franchise, really, it's that humanity hasn't evolved. The people of the future aren't substantially different than people now on a basic level. They're not just naturally better or more altrustic. The values of the Federation exist because people choose to fight for them, and that's been a constant throughout Star Trek, whether it's Picard saying "No, Data has fundamental rights that are worth fighting for" or Sisko deciding Admiral Layton doesn't get to play on the fear of Changlings to launch a coup, or Archer trying to convince the Xindi that humanity and the Xindi can live in peace, or Kirk's quote about humanity in "A Taste of Armageddon' "“We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it! We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes… knowing that we're not going to kill today.”. It's not just humanity either....the reason that Vulcan and Romulans are so different is that Vulcans choose follow Surak's teachings about pacifism and mastery of your emotions and Romulans don't. One of the things that leads to the victory over the Dominion is that Damar realizes that Cardassia's legacy is poisoned by tyranny and oppression, and that the only way for Cardassia to change is if Cardassians will fight for a just society. What are you basing this on? Because it sure ain’t real life history.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This discussion about the black boxes reminded me that they kept teasing that signal thing being a recurring musical element throughout the things they were doing for the first few episodes of the season, and then it turns out to just be a coincidence and there was no further meaning behind it. Thanks guys. Well, if you go hard in the other direction, you end up with All Along the Watchtower, and I don't think anyone wants that.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:30
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At least All Along The Watchtower gave us an amazing moment before the letdown.
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Oct 10, 2021 11:32
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I'd rather watch a show about real people trying to handle 'god did it' than a show about a bunch of one dimensional cutouts dealing with 'michael did it'.
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xerxus posted:They explicitly point out in the show that you need at least 4 points for a 3D 'triangulation' I know, I included the same mistake Saint Burnham did on purpose.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:06
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I dislike this, but more than that I dislike the fact that I will still hatewatch it no matter how bad I think it looks.
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Martytoof posted:I dislike this, but more than that I dislike the fact that I will still hatewatch it no matter how bad I think it looks. For me it's just good enough not to hate. I will absolutely disappointmentwatch it, though
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Nitrousoxide posted:Andromeda did the whole jumping far into the future plot much better. Absolutely brutal. What a damning indictment, to be able to point to an actual Star Trek series and accurately recognize that Andromeda somehow had a more coherent central plot and more consistent worldbuilding.
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Oct 10, 2021 15:14
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MikeJF posted:At least All Along The Watchtower gave us an amazing moment before the letdown. Which bit was that, out of curiosity? (I legit don't remember)
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FlamingLiberal posted:This discussion about the black boxes reminded me that they kept teasing that signal thing being a recurring musical element throughout the things they were doing for the first few episodes of the season, and then it turns out to just be a coincidence and there was no further meaning behind it. Thanks guys. I’m not defending it because it’s still dumb as hell, but I thought the musical element was the Kelpian distress signal being distorted by the anomaly so much that it sounded almost melodic, and people over many generations had been picking it up and had no idea what the hell it was so it propagated culturally as a sort of galactic nursery rhyme.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Which bit was that, out of curiosity? (I legit don't remember) Well I was mainly talking about the initial introduction of the song as you recognise it from real life which is completely impossible and makes no sense and then they hit you with like four cliffhanger what the fucks to end the season while you're reeling from the impossible and tie all that confusion together. It was also used to great effect later on in the Starbuck dad piano episode where they spend basically the whole thing putting together a song that ends up being the song but you don't realise it until that last moment when all the familiar sounds come together and you're just  Even putting aside the often disliked resolution, it's just such a world of difference in the skill of how they used a song mystery and wove it in and took advantage of the way you process songs to build to recognition and manipulate the viewer, compared to how Discovery's little song mystery was done.
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I think the All Along the Watchtower mystery in BSG was the writers blowing kisses to Bear McCreary (whose work on that show was phenomenal), whereas I cannot remember a single thing about Discovery's music.
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Oct 10, 2021 16:04
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Also the trial of Gaius Baltar was fantastic. "you tried to kill me, and you missed! BUTTERFINGERS!"
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Fighting Trousers posted:I think the All Along the Watchtower mystery in BSG was the writers blowing kisses to Bear McCreary (whose work on that show was phenomenal), whereas I cannot remember a single thing about Discovery's music. Bear McCreary also worked on arrangements for Metalocalypse which just lol I think most of the guitar on the soundtrack is in C tuning which is metal guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BigolJfoANw Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:What are you basing this on? Because it sure ain’t real life history. Which isn't? That governments fall apart, or that change isn't unidirectional?
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Oct 10, 2021 16:16
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Star Trek and our childhoods were kind of the triumphalist moment of belief in Progress. People in the rich world had seen the last 200 years raise living standards to an unprecedented degree through the combined projects of state-building, fossil fuel exploitation, and modern chemistry (which increased crop yields something like 700%). After WWII it seemed like, to misquote Gramsci, the new world had finally defeated the old and come fully into being. The modernists really believed in the post-war utopian project. They were aware of the dangers of mass media, but it seemed like that beast had been tamed. They did not realize that they were already close to the limits of planetary systems' ability to support human civilization. So in the 1960s, it seemed like if we could just get past atomic weapons the future would be free to expand forever. In the 2020s now it seems obvious that the modernist project was a mistake and that the best possible future is an orderly decline in population and living standards, but that's at odds with the beliefs of Star Trek's 1960s and 1990s writers.
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Oct 10, 2021 16:26
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Says the Dr. Who fan. But seriously, a lot of decline in living standards is just eliminating the tremendously wasteful extravagance that has become normal for the average denizen of the rich world. Car-centric culture is very bad for our health, for our social lives, and for our children. Even ignoring pollution! People who live in walkable communities eating a plant-heavy diet will be happier and healthier even as they consume 1/3 the energy. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Going back to an older lower decks episode, Tendi says she can't do the pheramone thing. Does that make her trans, since I thought all female orions could do that? It'd be cool if that was a way for them to slip in her being trans into the show.
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I took that as just her lying. It wouldn't be the first time Tendi has lied to try to fit in.
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We aren't anywhere close to reaching an unsustainable population on earth. Standards of living would need to be adjusted, but I don't even think "down" on balance/average, although obviously down for some It's all politics and greed
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I just took it as them just wanting to not deal with the pheromone thing. Tendi is still the least developed of the main cast. They gave her a backstory but she doesn't really have a character yet.
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Eimi posted:Going back to an older lower decks episode, Tendi says she can't do the pheramone thing. Does that make her trans, since I thought all female orions could do that? It'd be cool if that was a way for them to slip in her being trans into the show. She does it later in the episode, she was lying
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The Bloop posted:We aren't anywhere close to reaching an unsustainable population on earth. Easy to say, not easy to fix. You can say "oh yeah we could theoretically support more people if the rich world wasn't so wasteful and ruining the tropical climate" but good luck actually making it to that theoretical future as biocapacity declines around the world. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Arglebargle III posted:I took that as just her lying. It wouldn't be the first time Tendi has lied to try to fit in. I took less she’s lying and more along the lines of ‘I’m not that kind of girl’. Like the equivalent of someone asking their friend to flash her boobs to win a game of pool.
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MikeJF posted:She does it later in the episode, she was lying I thought that was just her yelling at them, since Orion is matriarchal and all that. The guys chasing them didn't have any problems shaking them off it was pheromones though. Though suppose I'm also reading too much into it.
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Tendi doesn't have the pharamones in the same way she was never a pirate (she's lying on both counts).
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Arglebargle III posted:Easy to say, not easy to fix. You can say "oh yeah we could theoretically support more people if the rich world wasn't so wasteful and ruining the tropical climate" but good luck actually making it to that theoretical future as biocapacity declines around the world. I mean we also aren’t really trying. In fact we are doing the opposite
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MikeJF posted:I'm kinda glad that they're making her captain because they were going to make all the plots about her anyway and that works much better if she's captain, but I do wish they'd guided her there better. One thing I've noticed watching Enterprise is that Star Trek is a lot worse when there's one main character.
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Oct 10, 2021 18:43
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“Captain, p- please stop crying”
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Arglebargle III posted:Easy to say, not easy to fix. You can say "oh yeah we could theoretically support more people if the rich world wasn't so wasteful and ruining the tropical climate" but good luck actually making it to that theoretical future as biocapacity declines around the world. For a certain value of easy, yeah of course But this IS the Star Trek thread and false statements like that presented as clear facts are basically the opposite of the hopefulness that's at the core of (most; good) Trek.
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Some Prodigy stuff: https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1447255487750107136?s=20 https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1447259122018230278?s=20
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It’s so beyond annoying to see “This video is not available in your location.” Regional distribution rights are so FUBAR.
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Trekcore are usually really good at getting the videos. https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1447257788418347016
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