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I'm finding S2 rather compelling simply because there is an... antagonistic? Oppositional? Faction that isn't mind numbingly stupid. Like the president of the Giad Federacy obviously has his own agenda, a complex mix of idealism and cynicism and would make you go "fair enough" if and when he is forced to turn on Shin's crew. Meanwhile San Magnolia is still as brain dead as ever, so much so that they can't even see the junior officer coup that is brewing in their midst. Lena is also more interesting now she's also grown into a mixture of idealism and cynicism. Annette is also a far more interesting character than she gets credit for. Even if she sees herself as an awful person, and tried to distance away from Lena, she ended up being the one trying to make up with Lena even as the latter is clearly moving on with her own agenda ahead of her.
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The tone has gotten significantly lighter and the spearhead crew were practically non-entities for the entire episode and I'm not the biggest fan of either development. The empress seems like an awful character to have on screen ever, hopefully in subsequent episodes she's less grating. It's also not the best taste in my mouth that instead of everyone dying at the end of the season, actually none of those people died. None of these are problems that couldn't go away in episode 2 but my expectations have been blunted a bit. I'm also not super impressed by the story going "and now here's the republic of giad, which is perfect" though I'm expecting the other shoe will drop on that soon and hopefully it's an interesting drop
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The talk of "prototypes" made me think there's a 99% chance they stick spearhead crew in spider gundams and then they steal them to go save Magnolia (or more precisely, Lena and the 86s.)
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ninjewtsu posted:The tone has gotten significantly lighter and the spearhead crew were practically non-entities for the entire episode and I'm not the biggest fan of either development. The empress seems like an awful character to have on screen ever, hopefully in subsequent episodes she's less grating. It's also not the best taste in my mouth that instead of everyone dying at the end of the season, actually none of those people died. 100% the empress is sticking around, she's in the OP and her archetype is very popular in Japan. As for Giad, our frame of reference is a quasi-fascist republic, Giad would literally be North Korea and still look good in comparison. All we know about them is they overthrew their previous monarchy and are partly to blame for the murder bots and seem to be trying to make amends for it.
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Raenir Salazar posted:
i know i'm not expecting her to go away, i'm hoping she becomes less terrible
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If they're in a high school next episode im checking out of this for good.
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I dunno, if they go Fumoffu with it that's instant AOTY
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The Empress is good because it's clear right away she's not just some brain-dead oujo archetype, but a lonely young child looking for affection, and acting imperiously to seem impressive because in her naivete she figured it'd be the best way to connect with the newcomers. Lit. her first appearance is preparing a dramatic entrance to ask Spearhead to be her friends, and although they remained guarded and apathetic to her advances by the end of the day she's already drawing them all together with her like the family she's obviously hoping they'll be. She's also keen enough to go quiet without any talkback when the President asks her not to prod Shin on his scar, so she's no brat either.
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Glad they addressed some of my criticisms of S1, with a new brigade of fodders being added, and the heroes being able to reach another country. The president is cool. Also lol they literally added Anju to the show: same role, same mannerisms, same character design. Looking forward to the comedy scenes of the girl annoying Shin. The girl handler back at San Magnolia is still boring.
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Just found out about show, is it available anywhere outside crunchy roll? Or is that the only option stateside?
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Kingtheninja posted:Just found out about show, is it available anywhere outside crunchy roll? Or is that the only option stateside? I think so.
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First episode with no Lena portion Also Frederica continues to be a gem, and we learn about the power of her bloodline.
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Nitrousoxide posted:First episode with no Lena portion Definite feelings of "The sustenance of life is on the battlefield." this time out. The President can't keep them from going back to war, but at least he's able to force them to think about something after it.
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I'm probably way off but all the Giad stuff still feels off to me. I can't shake the feeling that they're all heads in jars and this is all a simulacrum to get them to "fight" for the Legion. Maybe I'm reading too much into all the decapitated head imagery, especially when Shin was on the table in the previous episode. And yeah Frederica is very funny.
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Coxswain Balls posted:I'm probably way off but all the Giad stuff still feels off to me. I can't shake the feeling that they're all heads in jars and this is all a simulacrum to get them to "fight" for the Legion. Maybe I'm reading too much into all the decapitated head imagery, especially when Shin was on the table in the previous episode. I had that same feeling as soon everyone showed up alive in the first episode, in a situation that felt too good to be true after the tone of the first season.
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Coxswain Balls posted:I'm probably way off but all the Giad stuff still feels off to me. I can't shake the feeling that they're all heads in jars and this is all a simulacrum to get them to "fight" for the Legion. Maybe I'm reading too much into all the decapitated head imagery, especially when Shin was on the table in the previous episode. I think the sense of unreality is deliberate, but it's mostly to pull us into the protagonists' heads as they try to wrap their brains about the fact that the hell they went through was completely bizarre and unnecessary, and that San Magnolia really is not a normal country. It's like they're refugees from North Korea or something.
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The other white-haired kid in the library mentioned he was too poor to attend school, so it does seem like there's some potent inequality at work. It's just mild compared to the insanity of their home country.
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Squidster posted:The other white-haired kid in the library mentioned he was too poor to attend school, so it does seem like there's some potent inequality at work. It's just mild compared to the insanity of their home country. Plus, he's an Alba, and you can see that Shin is visibly rocked by the idea of an Alba experiencing poverty that serious.
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Sindai posted:Frederica owns   
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Frederica is a high quality bratty kid character who actually has her poo poo mostly together. Those types are always big hit or miss so real glad she's a hit. Good episode, was really sweet of the gang to clearly be waiting on Kurena, who clearly was the most torn on living a "normal" life before commiting to go back to the war.
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i rather liked that episode. still not a fan of the kid yet, but it definitely feels a lot more possible for her to win me over.
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This show has some great little shots. Take this scene for instance:  In the scene where they talk about what they want for the future. If you look in the background you'll see a mixed Alba and a blond man in the background, exactly like Anju and Daiya who was killed last cour. Separated by the post showing how she can't get what she wanted and establishing why she wants to return to the battlefield. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Great episode. Glad to see the show is still firing on all cylinders. So I get Freddy has some kind of Clairvoyance ability but I'm wondering if that's the full story that explains why she seems wiser than her age would indicate. Possibilities: - It is her Clairvoyance, and she simply experienced so many moments and memories that they matured her mentally albeit she's still a bit bratty because she's still has the body of a child. - She has some kind of reincarnation thing going on where the Empress reincarnates when she dies, the last Empress ordered the Legion to attack San Magnolia, lost control, died as a result and reincarnated. - I'm overthinking it and its just because in a lot of anime being an aristocrat or royalty just confers unto greater degree of capability because of your bloodline.
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Sindai posted:Frederica owns She's the one that said "blood and soil" right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
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Reik posted:She's the one that said "blood and soil" right? She did use that phrase, yes, specifically to say that if blood and soil don't define you then you need to find another reason d'etre. As the 86 are not a homogeneous population, nor do they have a country to call home because the Republic has forsaken them, they need to find their own reason to be. So, kind of literally the opposite of what you're implying there.
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Nitrousoxide posted:She did use that phrase, yes, specifically to say that if blood and soil don't define you then you need to find another reason d'etre. As the 86 are not a homogeneous population, nor do they have a country to call home because the Republic has forsaken them, they need to find their own reason to be. I thought maybe I misread what she said so I went back to double check. "I understand that you've got nothing but your pride to keep you together. But that's no way for a complete human being to live. It's blood and soil that make a person who they are. If you have neither, and try to define yourself just by who you personally are, when you lose sight of that, you'll quickly fall apart. Never forget that." That seems pretty clearly nationalist, saying that your blood and soil makes you a more complete human than just living according to your personal pride/ego. How do you interpret that differently? Reik fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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Reik posted:I thought maybe I misread what she said so I went back to double check. She's saying that without a society to call themselves a part of, if they loose sight of who they define themselves to be, they will quickly break down with no one to rely on, so they had best either hold true to that identity and not falter from it, or pick a country to call home. Spearhead Squadron do not think of themselves as a member of any nation, having been shunned by the Republic and struggled to adapt and integrate into Giad.
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Nitrousoxide posted:She's saying that without a society to call themselves a part of, if they loose sight of who they define themselves to be, they will quickly break down with no one to rely on, so they had best either hold true to that identity and not falter from it, or pick a country to call home. Okay, but she didn't say "a society" she said "blood and soil", which is literally Nazi nationalist propaganda.
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Reik posted:Okay, but she didn't say "a society" she said "blood and soil", which is literally Nazi nationalist propaganda. Whether it's a mistranslation or the original author not knowing/caring about the phrase's origins and just thought it sounded cool, there is literally no reading in which 86 is pro-Nazi, so the question's kind of moot. At unforced error, at worst.
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Would it make you feel better to learn she said 自園, meaning one's own cultivated garden/land?
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E: not quite sure what happened here Yawgmoft fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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Yawgmoft posted:Would it make you feel better to learn she said 自園, meaning one's own cultivated garden/land? Mordja posted:Whether it's a mistranslation or the original author not knowing/caring about the phrase's origins and just thought it sounded cool, there is literally no reading in which 86 is pro-Nazi, so the question's kind of moot. At unforced error, at worst. Maybe its the translators trying to make the themes of the series more clear?
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Mordja posted:Whether it's a mistranslation or the original author not knowing/caring about the phrase's origins and just thought it sounded cool, there is literally no reading in which 86 is pro-Nazi, so the question's kind of moot. At unforced error, at worst. While I agree 86 has been a pretty anti-fascist show so far, a likeable genocide committer saying actual Nazi slogans and has super powers because of her royal blood is definitely not part of their anti-fascist narrative. Yawgmoft posted:Would it make you feel better to learn she said 自園, meaning one's own cultivated garden/land? I don't read or speak any Japanese so I was just relying on the localizers, do you know if that term has been used historically with nationalist connotations? Otherwise Blood and Soil is an awful localization choice. Reik fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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We did it, we unmasked the author. Everyone can stop watching now.
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Conspiratiorist posted:We did it, we unmasked the author. There can be bad parts/characters in good shows.
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lmao, not gonna let being proven fundamentally wrong in every way stop you
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:lmao, not gonna let being proven fundamentally wrong in every way stop you Link?
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Aaaahhhh...a CSPAM poster, it all makes sense now.
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