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Goast posted:sounds like they should start some addiction counseling programs to counteract the classic formerly-religious tendency to go loving crazy with drugs and booze like a teenager Openly advocating for the construction of concentration camps isn’t welcome on these forums. User loses posting privileges for 5 days.
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Oct 11, 2021 23:16
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Grapplejack posted:Hell north Vietnam was Chinese land and then a tributary state after a semi-successful independence war, which then got supplanted by french Indonesia. Western meddling slicing off pieces of the Chinese state during the century of humiliation is there a map of every state that once paid tribute to the chinese emperor? i've got some irredentism to mock up for laughs the macartney mission alone will make it extremely lol
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Oct 11, 2021 23:34
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1447686307732410372
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Oct 11, 2021 23:42
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Oct 12, 2021 00:03
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Raskolnikov38 posted:is there a map of every state that once paid tribute to the chinese emperor? i've got some irredentism to mock up for laughs  and of course the greater china claims the KMT had were based off of that, an amalgamation of Qing controlled areas and tributary states that were largely subservient to the Qing and Ming empires, and also just any other tributary because hey gently caress it why not  "why the gently caress is borneo on here" is because they were a tributary. A bunch of current-day PRC claims also come from this map though they're much less likely to claim tributary areas. e: actually this is missing Japan, which was technically a tributary, but it was more of a formality where both sides continued doing whatever they wanted but china got a token tribute and could avoid trying to invade japan again. ee: it's worth pointing out that some of those tributaries only had to send some gold and acknowledge the supremeness of the emperor, while others were under more direct control ala a suzerainty Grapplejack has issued a correction as of 00:22 on Oct 12, 2021 |
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Oct 12, 2021 00:12
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i seem to recall that the tributary system was more of a gift exchange thing and that korea at least sometimes requested they be allowed to do multiple tributes a year because they liked the cool chinese poo poo they got in exchange
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Oct 12, 2021 00:27
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Some Guy TT posted:i seem to recall that the tributary system was more of a gift exchange thing and that korea at least sometimes requested they be allowed to do multiple tributes a year because they liked the cool chinese poo poo they got in exchange I believe the tribute system also include an emperor seal of approval to the local king. At least this was the relationship to half of the Vietnamese dynasties and selected Japanese kings. I am not sure this was comparable to the Papal approval in Europe.
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Oct 12, 2021 00:56
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Oct 12, 2021 01:17
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1447519058975461377
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Oct 12, 2021 01:22
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President Xi, we call on you to put a permanent end to the shipping of beef from UK to China! The emissions created by this wasteful commerce amounts to nothing less than genocide.
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Oct 12, 2021 01:22
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1447593570857365506 The last supper one still looks dumb, that Twitter account overplayed their hand by trying too hard with this poo poo.
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Oct 12, 2021 01:37
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https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1447631925666095111?s=20quote:Ms. Freeland’s ties to Ukraine are no secret, but materials uncovered from the KGB archives in Kyiv illuminate her role in the Ukrainian independence movement while on exchange there from Harvard University.
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Oct 12, 2021 01:43
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 Ever since I watched this debate that Tyler the Creator tweet is the one that always comes to mind
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Oct 12, 2021 02:11
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/IvoHDaalder/status/1446153465747607557 state directed polls say state directed propaganda is working say state directed polls say…
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Oct 12, 2021 02:11
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Some Guy TT posted:i seem to recall that the tributary system was more of a gift exchange thing and that korea at least sometimes requested they be allowed to do multiple tributes a year because they liked the cool chinese poo poo they got in exchange Speaking from primarily the Japanese historical perspective, it was a sort of trade and soft security pact termed as "tribute" for internal Chinese political reasons. The "tribute" was repaid with "gifts" of similar high-end luxuries in a way that was typically profitable to begin with, and the missions were then allowed to engage in private trade to a limited degree based on the results of this exchange; on the diplomatic side, it worked out into something like a bilateral pledge where the "tributary" promised not to interfere with direct Chinese interests (but was still free to fight other tributaries under the threat of only rebukes and reduced trade quotas rather than invasion) while the Chinese refrained from attacking them directly (but would not defend them unless their own interests were also threatened; notably tributary a eating tributary b and then paying tribute a+b did not seriously bother China.) The actual investiture part was recognized as a meaningless gesture done only as ritual submission even then; the last Japanese ruler to be enfeoffed as King of Wa by the Son of Heaven, one Ashikaga Yoshimitsu, was simultaneously an archduke or generalissimo by European standards arrogating the title of king (from a domestic standpoint) and the de facto emperor accepting the downgrade to king (from an international standpoint); Joseon, while it attracted a rare Chinese invasion by continuing to pay tribute to the Ming after the Qing took control, publicly viewed and billed itself as the true successor to the Ming even after being forced to shift its tributary relationship to Qing; and the Turpan Khanate at one point went to war with China with the demands of being allowed to "pay" greater "tribute".
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Oct 12, 2021 02:37
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The US also had a ban on beef from the UK for twenty five years due an outbreak of mad cow disease. That ban was lifted last year and the ban on lamb just a few weeks ago.
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Oct 12, 2021 02:42
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Oct 12, 2021 02:58
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Its not like the UK should be exporting any of its food right now
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Oct 12, 2021 03:06
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Guess he got Moderna
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Oct 12, 2021 03:07
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Its not like the UK should be exporting any of its food right now why do you hate freedom
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Oct 12, 2021 03:28
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Jose posted:lol posted this in the anime thread after seeing teh thread tag. anyway looks like NED funding is running out https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1447750669373300737
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Oct 12, 2021 03:53
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BULBASAUR posted:some poster once tried the same thing regarding the study that showed eastern european people preferred life under the USSR vs what they got in 90s and 00s "it's nostalgia, rose tinted glasses" and "they're old and stupid" is the usual spiel
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Oct 12, 2021 03:55
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the dumbest man on the planet
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Oct 12, 2021 03:56
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god I hate this stupid lib master chief so much
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Oct 12, 2021 03:56
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Yep all the "people who died" received a free continue so no deaths occurred like everyone said.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:00
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India is teetering on the edge of a power crisis.quote:Government data showed that as of Oct. 6, 80% of India’s 135 coal-powered plants had less than 8 days of supplies left — more than half of those had stocks worth two days or fewer. 13 units shut due to coal shortage, consumers must use power sparingly: Maharashtra govt The energy generation situation in Indian is worsening.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:30
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if you honestly and genuinely believed that there was some kind of genocide going on in Xinjiang, and that you had incontrovertible proof of its existence, it seems a bit callous to just dust off your hands and conclude that "you won" without ever having actually done anything, or even delivered any measure of justice to the victims, or accountability to the alleged perpetrators hell, wouldn't you be looking for similarly incontrovertible proof that the genocide was over? find a witness willing to say that they're NOT forcibly sterilizing women anymore? if you truly thought that the Chinese government was engaged in some kind of massive cover-up of the thing while it was going on, and indeed assume that anyone you talked to that said otherwise was being coerced, wouldn't you think that any kind of draw-down or withdrawal from the project was also some kind of ruse?
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Oct 12, 2021 04:32
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OhFunny posted:India is teetering on the edge of a power crisis. They expect rolling blackouts to begin in 3 days and for them to last 5-6 months.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:34
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Doctor Jeep posted:"it's nostalgia, rose tinted glasses" and "they're old and stupid" is the usual spiel lol yep, I said I was born in the USSR so they changed it to "too young to remember the horror" etc
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Oct 12, 2021 04:35
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OhFunny posted:India is teetering on the edge of a power crisis. Like colonizer, like colony
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Oct 12, 2021 04:35
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gradenko_2000 posted:if you honestly and genuinely believed that there was some kind of genocide going on in Xinjiang, and that you had incontrovertible proof of its existence, it seems a bit callous to just dust off your hands and conclude that "you won" without ever having actually done anything, or even delivered any measure of justice to the victims, or accountability to the alleged perpetrators the whole ~discourse~ around it was genuinely really weird. There was a Holocaust 2: Xinjiang Boogaloo going on but the solution is...to...say 'hey...quit it'? Like, the thing we were supposed to want the US to do was just 'condemn and acknowledge' it? This may be the ol family background coloring things but if I thought a new Holocaust was happening I'd want the railways bombed and poo poo at the very least!
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Oct 12, 2021 04:35
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gradenko_2000 posted:if you honestly and genuinely believed that there was some kind of genocide going on in Xinjiang, and that you had incontrovertible proof of its existence, it seems a bit callous to just dust off your hands and conclude that "you won" without ever having actually done anything, or even delivered any measure of justice to the victims, or accountability to the alleged perpetrators They have started to shift to "cultural genocide" again.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:36
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sexpig by night posted:the whole ~discourse~ around it was genuinely really weird. There was a Holocaust 2: Xinjiang Boogaloo going on but the solution is...to...say 'hey...quit it'? Like, the thing we were supposed to want the US to do was just 'condemn and acknowledge' it? This may be the ol family background coloring things but if I thought a new Holocaust was happening I'd want the railways bombed and poo poo at the very least! In the past twenty years when has the West ever responded to an ongoing genocide like that, from Darfur to Rohingya. Even Rojava and the plight of the Yezidi was just cover for Syrian Civil War meddling.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:37
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lol, at least a chunk of people in the millenial age range can claim to have been born in the USSR.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:39
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Mr Hootington posted:They have started to shift to "cultural genocide" again. regardless! if China was "merely" doing a cultural genocide, the demolition of mosques, the forcible eradication of Uighur language, Sinicization, the aforementioned sterilization of women, without crossing the line into mass murder, it's still something that demands further investigation if, at this point, you believe that they've... stopped and the West still wasn't the one that managed to pressure them into doing it, even if you could prove that they did!
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Oct 12, 2021 04:41
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Much like the Hu Jintao government's eviction of 2 million impoverished people in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics, the cultural genocide being done was merely event planning preparations in advance of the 110th anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution. Now that the festivities has come and gone, it's back to business as usual.
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Oct 12, 2021 04:47
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https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1447734041797595138?s=20
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Oct 12, 2021 05:01
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Is there anyone still banned for genocide denial?
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Oct 12, 2021 05:05
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seems like someone finally realized there was no actual way to win with where this rhetorical game of chicken would inevitably lead and everyone else is figuring out a way to save face
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