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packetmantis posted:You're missing the point of that Stargirl plot. The guy that wants to do it is a literal white supremacist. Oh well in that case I think idiotic individualism worship is good actually E: like thanks for making my point for me, they make the show's villain an open collectivist who's a secret white supremacist, could have just made him Hitler and gone full 
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Yes, that's definitely what I was saying, glad we're on the same page now.
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Do you actually think anti-socialist stances aren't baked into most American media or do you just want to be pedantic about plot details in a CW show with teeny bopper superheroes?
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J.A.B.C. posted:I can think of a few series that try to do this. The problem with this trope is that it assumes a false dichotomy. It is ridiculous to assume that brainwashing racism and selfishness and greed and bigotry and tribalism and warmongering out of all humanity also removes all semblance of free will. You can get rid of all those things and people can still wear whatever color shirt they want and whatever kind of pants they want and watch whatever movies they want or listen to whatever music they want and eat whatever food they want. It's just that they'll reject all the bad poo poo because they will be forced to agree that it's bad. Then they can enjoy whatever non-bad poo poo they want and we can all save this toilet earth together.
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Oct 12, 2021 05:01
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Elephant Ambush posted:The problem with this trope is that it assumes a false dichotomy. It is ridiculous to assume that brainwashing racism and selfishness and greed and bigotry and tribalism and warmongering out of all humanity also removes all semblance of free will. You can get rid of all those things and people can still wear whatever color shirt they want and whatever kind of pants they want and watch whatever movies they want or listen to whatever music they want and eat whatever food they want. It's just that they'll reject all the bad poo poo because they will be forced to agree that it's bad. Then they can enjoy whatever non-bad poo poo they want and we can all save this toilet earth together. It's a slippery slope argument: if the mind-wipe button can remove racism and bigotry, what else can it remove? Or, what if a bigot gets ahold of the button and erases our empathy, or hard-codes in their own brand of racism? I agree with you that it's a dumb trope, and very few media will ever do it well. My big deal with it is that 'non-bad poo poo' is an ever-changing rubric even in a modern society, and the more you have to cover the more people will disagree with what counts.
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Professor Beetus posted:Do you actually think anti-socialist stances aren't baked into most American media or do you just want to be pedantic about plot details in a CW show with teeny bopper superheroes? I think that needs a little more attention though. It's not just "Oh, and this upstanding civic minded fellow happened to be a white supremacist." It's that they were posing as this nice public service organization and hiding a mind control plot. Long before you got to the point of finding out exactly what they were planning, you knew that the group was a cold criminal who turned hard 'for the children' fanatic after his wife died, a mind controling misanthropist who feels all people are too evil to be left out of his control and killed his own family to further his plan, a rich amoral creep, a couple of casually murderous psychos, and a straight up Imperial Japanese mad doctor who used his super powers to survive being executed for war crimes raised his daughter as a science experiment. They make a plan to turn a third of the country into their own fanatic followers, and to conquer the rest using the converts as a devoted army. Then they say "Oh, our utopia will solve all of today's social problems, also there will be a massive body count but anyone who dies getting there was just evil I guess." I mean, it was explicitly a "once we've removed free will from those schlubs and use them as our army to subjugate the rest, we'll be able to make everything RIGHT" plot, and that was something even the teenage kids figured out after they thought about it a little. It wasn't some socialist proposal, it was a pretty textbook fascist, or at least straight authoritarian approach, placed in weird contrast to what would be good result were they honest. Sure that's a cartoony comic book plot for a comic book show, but it's not 'grr those libs making socialism sound bad!' to question the very real tendency of monsters to give utopian promises. "Hey, how closely should I scrutinize someone before giving them unlimited loyalty or unchecked power" isn't a tiresome storytelling trope, it's a tiresome duty of political engagement, and failing to do it has led a lot of well-meaning people to back the worst possible leaders. Personally I think a lot of people having issues with some obvious villain saying "Think of how I can solve world hunger as emperor!" still being a villain overlaps a lot with general problems audiences have with unreliable narrators. Treating claims made by clearly deceitful or uninformed characters as equivalent to narrative exposition.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I saw the “take federal budget/debt and remove 8 zeros to get a household budget” image. "I agree, let's get rid of the crap, let's start with this entire floor which is just full of turds sprinkled with glitter." "We can't, because how else is the house gonna look good? Why do you hate Housemerica?"
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Oct 12, 2021 15:40
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"Firefly"/Serenity had the evil-social-engineering trope, too, where a planet is sprayed with chemtrails (!) that, in a double unintended consequence, either make everybody become idle to the point of death by starvation or turn into ravenous space monsters.
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Mellow Seas posted:"Firefly"/Serenity had the evil-social-engineering trope, too, where a planet is sprayed with chemtrails (!) that, in a double unintended consequence, either make everybody become idle to the point of death by starvation or turn into ravenous space monsters. Much as I enjoy Serenity, I’m always left with one burning question: is there no such thing as clinical trials in the Firefly universe?!?! Even given a government which would be willing to dose ten million people with mind-control drugs (this part doesn’t feel like a stretch at all tbh), why risk 10m workers on a project so nascent that the on-site team is completely blindsided and overwhelmed by the only two drug responses?!
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Wrong thread, thought I was in PYF
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Oct 12, 2021 16:23
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Mellow Seas posted:"Firefly"/Serenity had the evil-social-engineering trope, too, where a planet is sprayed with chemtrails (!) that, in a double unintended consequence, either make everybody become idle to the point of death by starvation or turn into ravenous space monsters. Wrong thread
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Oct 12, 2021 16:25
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J.A.B.C. posted:It's a slippery slope argument: if the mind-wipe button can remove racism and bigotry, what else can it remove? Or, what if a bigot gets ahold of the button and erases our empathy, or hard-codes in their own brand of racism? what's funny is that the evil version of this satellite actually was built and deployed and the villains pressed the button already and it beams nonstop propaganda into everyone's brains convincing us to be selfish spiteful dickholes
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Oct 12, 2021 16:33
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Honestly this vein of generational warfare "kids these days" stuff is dumb and harmless imo since it's usually sometimes just self deprication to draw attention to how old the person is that's sharing it for fun rather than hateful. The stuff that i think is toxic garbage is the "kids are too soft these days" vein that seems to cut across all age groups somehow. Like my so's sister, who is full q-anon and the same age as me loving loves sending kvon moezzi bits around and likes to identify as an "elder millennial" so that she can participate in every "millennials! Can you believe them!?" Fwd. Fwd fwd humor.
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OnlyBans posted:Wrong thread
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El Mero Mero posted:Like my so's sister, who is full q-anon and the same age as me loving loves sending kvon moezzi bits around and likes to identify as an "elder millennial" so that she can participate in every "millennials! Can you believe them!?" Fwd. Fwd fwd humor. Having never heard of this dude I clicked and got to hear how Millennials are soft because they never fought in a war. Hrmmmmmmmm.
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Dameius posted:Having never heard of this dude I clicked and got to hear how Millennials are soft because they never fought in a war. Hrmmmmmmmm. lol, lmao
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Dameius posted:Having never heard of this dude I clicked and got to hear how Millennials are soft because they never fought in a war. Hrmmmmmmmm. Look, we never had to dodge a draft like his heroes, so the 20-year War on Terror that's consumed numerous peers through most of our adolescences and all of our adult lives doesn't count.
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Boomers walk like this, millennials walk like this but lazier.
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These people don't even know what Millenials are. They just use the word to describe teens and 20-somethings.
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Omg just stop crying and kiss earth already!
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Sannipee is the best pee.
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Oct 15, 2021 13:12
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As shared by my father who can't tell the difference between logging into an account and creating one and once went without gambling, Facebook and email for about 3 months because the wireless modem/router was unplugged.
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The analog watch is confusing me. Is it a widely held belief that The Young People can only tell the time by numbers and have never seen a clock
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The young people are guilty. I am not, I have done nothing wrong. I am not guilty. I am not guilty.
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Oct 15, 2021 13:30
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Medullah posted:
This random white dude seems really clingy and demanding.
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the sex ghost posted:The analog watch is confusing me. Is it a widely held belief that The Young People can only tell the time by numbers and have never seen a clock I've heard that one thrown around a lot, but yeah, doesn't seem to really actually hold true, even relative to the not-really-all-that true rest of burns of that nature. Most public schools keep analog clocks in every classroom, but I guess maybe the "assumption" goes that kids don't know how to read those and just check their phones instead?
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jivjov posted:I've heard that one thrown around a lot, but yeah, doesn't seem to really actually hold true, even relative to the not-really-all-that true rest of burns of that nature. Most public schools keep analog clocks in every classroom, but I guess maybe the "assumption" goes that kids don't know how to read those and just check their phones instead? my second grader had a whole unit on reading analog clocks last year when she was in first grade. it's a handy "real world" application of estimation and counting by 5s
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I've heard "kids can't even read a clock face now" since cheap digital watches became a thing in the late 80s
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Illuminated manuscripts lamenting the youth of the 11th century relying on clocks instead of using sundials or just going to bed when it gets dark smh
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Anecdotally about 12 years ago I got a job working with kids at a boy scout camp and ended up hanging an analog clock on the wall because I got tired of kids asking me the time. They still asked all the time, and when I pointed out the clock they would say they couldn't read it. Idk if that was true, or they just wanted to talk to me, or if they were embarrassed, but it's not with zero precedent.
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Sketching out my phone screen when the doctors ask me to draw a clock turned to a certain time
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Teachers always complained about knowing how to do math without a calculator cause you never know when you won’t have one. Everyone has a calculator in their pocket now. Just constant boomer poo poo throughout history.
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the sex ghost posted:Illuminated manuscripts lamenting the youth of the 11th century relying on clocks instead of using sundials or just going to bed when it gets dark smh I think it was a TED talk about language use in texting... but one anecdote I thought was funny was that one of the first examples of "kids these days" we have is that some ancient Greeks were annoyed that students were relying on writing things down instead of just memorizing everything. We of course, only know this because the people being complained about wrote it down.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Anecdotally about 12 years ago I got a job working with kids at a boy scout camp and ended up hanging an analog clock on the wall because I got tired of kids asking me the time. They still asked all the time, and when I pointed out the clock they would say they couldn't read it. Idk if that was true, or they just wanted to talk to me, or if they were embarrassed, but it's not with zero precedent. It's not uncommon. Analog clocks just arn't part of daily life any more.
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Invalid Validation posted:Teachers always complained about knowing how to do math without a calculator cause you never know when you won’t have one. Everyone has a calculator in their pocket now. Just constant boomer poo poo throughout history. To be fair, having basic estimation skills and the ability to ballpark a calculation in your head is still super valuable. Even if you have a calculator in your pocket, it's very easy to put the wrong numbers in and have the result be wildly off.
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I did math tutoring for a while and the general inability of a lot of students to even do basic estimations and quick math made me sympathize a lot more with the "calculators are a crutch" view. If nothing else it meant that they had no idea if the answer they got was wrong because they plugged it in wrong.
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Schools still have analog clocks on the wall, some kids are just not very bright
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The problem with digital clocks is that it's hard to tell someone "Ok, imagine a clock that's blinking twelve, and if you drew a line from the middle of the colon to the middle of the 1 in the twelve, that's where the enemy fighter jet is coming at you from."
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