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mlmp08 posted:That is one hell of an inflammatory stretch. The sad thing is, judging from some of the people I've encountered, it really isn't.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The sad thing is, judging from some of the people I've encountered, it really isn't. Doesn’t C-Spam have an entire thread to just straight up pretending nothing bad is happening to Uighurs and others?
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Oct 13, 2021 15:32
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mlmp08 posted:Hey, just cage it as jingoistic America First isolationism. Know your audience! Honestly, yeah. It's possible imo to persuade trumpers that US foreign policy is bad as long as you frame it in purely self interested logic and avoid liberal trigger words. Which is still an improvement!
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Oct 13, 2021 15:34
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Doesn’t C-Spam have an entire thread to just straight up pretending nothing bad is happening to Uighurs and others? the reflexive "against america therefore must be good" thing comes up across the board
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Oct 13, 2021 15:38
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Best Friends posted:The United States helped create this crisis and is doing nothing to stop this from happening right now and absolutely no one who says the (utterly meaningless) word "Tankie" gives the slightest poo poo. I do in fact care about more than one thing at a time. It’s wild, you should try it.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:42
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The sad thing is, judging from some of the people I've encountered, it really isn't. Ascribing to anyone and everyone the example of worst possible argument made by the worst folks you know is inflammatory nonsense and a shortcut to avoid a real discussion. A lot of people mad about Uyghurs don’t give a single gently caress about them, they just hate China and are natuonalist Americans or other Westerners, but if I by rote ascribed that motivation to anyone arguing for the wellbeing of Uyghurs, I would be spouting inflammatory bullshit. It’s also easy to just declare that someone has only one motivation without evidence.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:44
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mlmp08 posted:Ascribing to anyone and everyone the example of worst possible argument made by the worst folks you know Show me where I actually did this, instead of merely pointing out that there are in fact really terrible people who do make the worst possible argument.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:46
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Show me where I actually did this, instead of merely pointing out that there are in fact really terrible people who do make the worst possible argument. I didn’t say you did that. I said it was inflammatory for Internet Wizard to say that Up the Bum was posting that he is totally fine with China committing genocide. I do disagree with saying that guilt by similarity with the worst takes is a valid excuse for assuming the worst of views you disagree with. IW is doing the lazy thing of accusing someone else of only caring about one topic while he wisely cares about lots of topics. He has zero evidence that Up the Bum doesn’t care about China’s actions.
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mlmp08 posted:I didn’t say you did that. I said it was inflammatory for Internet Wizard to say that Up the Bum was posting that he is totally fine with China committing genocide. Playing whataboutism with atrocities only serves to minimize the problems and enable the perpetrator. Whether that was the intent or not is immaterial when the effect is providing an argument in favor of the actions of the perpetrator. It’s the same thing as people playing whataboutism with cop murders or Proud Boy violence. “China is committing cultural genocide”-“what about Yemen/the Native Americans” “Cops kill too many black folk”-“what about black on black crime” “Proud boys are violent terrorists who murder people”-“what about the time Richard Spencer got punched” Internet Wizard fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 16:00
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In current events news: Social Security is getting its largest increase since the 80’s. 5.9%. An average of $92 a month for social security recipients. VA benefits are supposedly getting a nice increase soon too, but I can’t find any non chud sources for that. Inflation is happening in earnest, and it will eat up most if not all of these increases so really: 
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Internet Wizard posted:Playing whataboutism with atrocities only serves to minimize the problems and enable the perpetrator. Whether that was the intent or not is immaterial when the effect is providing an argument in favor of the actions of the perpetrator. It’s the same thing as people playing whataboutism with cop murders or Proud Boy violence. Good to know we should never address the problems of American imperialism and hegemony because that distracts from other authoritarians
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Oct 13, 2021 16:05
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Oh, and to pay for this increase the social security taxable income is going from $142,800 to $147,000. So sayeth the wall street journal.
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McNally I kindly request that the thread title be changed to "Tankies, Sailors, Soldiers, Sigh"
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Oct 13, 2021 16:13
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Internet Wizard posted:“China is committing cultural genocide”-“what about Yemen/the Native Americans” What about latin americans? The "cultural genocide" thats happening is, according to Adrian Zenz, providing modern healthcare and teaching Chinese. If Hanification is cultural genocide the US is actively performing a lot of it right now.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:14
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For the love of god I’m grasping at straws with the social security stuff, I admit, but can we just not post about posting? It never works out well in this thread.
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I'm completely comfortable saying China does a lot of terrible things. Their environmental policy is disastrous, their human rights record is bad, and they are oppressing Muslims in Western China. We have done far more harm to Muslims than China, and those things we've done have been cheered by the exact same political and media figures who are currently pretending they care about Muslims in Western China. There's whataboutism, and then there's guys in "I loving love it when governments kill Muslims" t shirts acting shocked and appalled at China mistreating Muslims. It's obviously not genuine concern for Muslim human rights driving this campaign, so it must be something else. It sure seems like that something else is saber rattling.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:17
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Shatner landed safely. World collectively groans.
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Best Friends posted:I'm completely comfortable saying China does a lot of terrible things. Their environmental policy is disastrous, their human rights record is bad, and they are oppressing Muslims in Western China. 
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Best Friends posted:I'm completely comfortable saying China does a lot of terrible things. Their environmental policy is disastrous, their human rights record is bad, and they are oppressing Muslims in Western China. And with that we are moving on now.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Good to know we should never address the problems of American imperialism and hegemony because that distracts from other authoritarians This is the weirdest mental stretch to get that from the quoted thing. Here's your gold medal.
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In real important news, Smash Mouth has broken up after 27 years after the frontman told a fan "I will loving kill your family I swear to god" from the stage. He still has not eaten the eggs.
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shame on an IGA posted:In real important news, Smash Mouth has broken up after 27 years after the frontman told a fan "I will loving kill your family I swear to god" from the stage. Wasn't there an entire story about the time they got him to eat eggs?
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Edit: didn’t F5 in time. Internet Wizard posted:“Cops kill too many black folk”-“what about black on black crime” Those are examples of the most plainly obvious domestic US policy troll talking points. Your response examples are bad actors, to be sure, but that does not mean the response on any topic is inherently what aboutism to be ignored. It really is a bit different when discussing areas you can directly take action versus issues where you largely cannot. A state/local coal CEO (or policy maker on coal) does not get to rail about a foreign country’s coal all day then use “ah, but what aboutism” to shut up his detractors for his own coal company tearing off mountain tops in his home state. Lots of much more nuanced conversations could be derided as what aboutism if you label anything that might potentially appear as “what about” as rhetorically the same (low) value. Here are examples of using the what about frame to unfairly diminish real discussions: “murder is disproportionately affecting the poor and minorities and largely being perpetrated with handguns.” What about lawful self defense uses? “We should get our neighbors to waste less household food ” What about industrial level carbon usage and pollution driven by our city, state, and national policies? The above are examples of where there is a very real conversation and discussion of complex issues, but it can be convenient to deride whichever side opens their mouth second in a conversation as the “what about” crowd.
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What about good posts
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I found a good post Jock Jazz How Wonderful! posted:*the hometown boys are running onto the court, taking their hype lap... everybody is cheering, the tunes are getting everybody's blood up... it's loving Hoop Dreams in here... all the fans are wearing turtle necks and taking careful notes... its Pharoah Monk's seminal 1970 recording "Deaf Dumb Blind (Summun Bukmun Umyun)" and all the hot jocks down on court are also pulling out huge cushions and sitting down on the court... joining hands to smoke that sweet bud together and just soak in the music... the vibe is impeccable.... my eyes are closed, I'm on a journey with the boys... the ultimate tailgate.... now the ref is taking off his belt and viciously beating the away team for being pricks and trying to score baskets and dribble the ball while everybody else is just vibing... come on boys get into the flow with us.... put the basketball down and put your consciousness up....*
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CainFortea posted:Wasn't there an entire story about the time they got him to eat eggs? They did a show for the City of Ft. Collins a few years back, and some vendor was giving out free bread, which resulted in smash man getting pelted with bread. I'll see if I can find a video link, but it's one of my most favorite smashmouth related events.
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CainFortea posted:Wasn't there an entire story about the time they got him to eat eggs? Via SAClopedia: quote:Posted by Haifisch on October 10, 2011 pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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boop the snoot posted:What about good posts I've never seen one.
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boop the snoot posted:What about good posts lol
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boop the snoot posted:What about good posts Well there was that time some goon was going to walk across America for Depression...or something, and got like 5 miles in and quit.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:58
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Oddly, I think smash mouf eat da eggsgsg was around the time I started to soften on Guy Fieri. I still don't care for his schtick, but he actually does a good amount of charity with his personality, and I can't find fault in that. Fire hose of ranch, please.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Oddly, I think smash mouf eat da eggsgsg was around the time I started to soften on Guy Fieri. I still don't care for his schtick, but he actually does a good amount of charity with his personality, and I can't find fault in that. Too bad he ruined a lot of that goodwill with complaints about workers getting unemployment during the ongoing pandemic
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Oddly, I think smash mouf eat da eggsgsg was around the time I started to soften on Guy Fieri. I still don't care for his schtick, but he actually does a good amount of charity with his personality, and I can't find fault in that. I love that menu
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It's loving amazing that they got Guy to cook the eggs A man who FAMOUSLY hates everything to do with eggs. Hates eating them, hates smelling them, hates cooking them. Guy is good.
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Expect this to become the latest talking point in the pro-insurrectionist Chud camp, which has been alleging that January 6th defendants are "political prisoners" facing unduly harsh conditions.quote:U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth of Washington acted after finding jail officials failed to turn over information needed to approve surgery recommended four months ago for a Jan. 6 Capitol riot defendant’s broken wrist. To be clear, there is absolutely no excuse for a prisoner- no matter how odious of a crime they've committed or alleged to have been committed- to receive a delay in medical care. But you can sure as poo poo expect the Madison Cawthorns and such to be trumpeting this one from the rooftops.
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Sounds like normal treatment for US jails and prisons, maybe treating conservatives the same way as everyone else will get things changed a bit?
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hobbesmaster posted:Sounds like normal treatment for US jails and prisons, maybe treating conservatives the same way as everyone else will get things changed a bit? "Conservatives? Listen Friend those people are Antifa plants." "Just let it go gangrene and ask him if Bernie is going to help him now."-GODBLESSTRUMP69 right before he dies choking on horse splooge.
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hobbesmaster posted:Sounds like normal treatment for US jails and prisons, maybe treating conservatives the same way as everyone else will get things changed a bit? Oh ye of little faith
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