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Amazing Spider-Man is gonna be the weekly or bi-weekly book with rotating writers and Zeb Wells organizing the writing.
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Beyond honestly just feels like filler for whatever they have planned for 900
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Oct 11, 2021 20:34
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900 will just be the start of the two-year weekly schedule march to 1000.
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Oct 11, 2021 20:47
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The Beyond corporation sounds familiar, but I could be confusing them with Roxxon, the company publicly owned and operated by an ancient magic minotaur.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:34
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The Beyond Corporation is from Nextwave.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:40
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Gologle posted:The Beyond corporation sounds familiar, but I could be confusing them with Roxxon, the company publicly owned and operated by an ancient magic minotaur. Rest in peace, my beautiful horned son.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:49
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Rest in peace, my beautiful horned son. I didn’t think or good Minotaur friend was dead just… slightly chewed
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Oct 11, 2021 22:51
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I bet his companies zoom calls are deeply upsetting these days.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:53
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Gologle posted:The Beyond corporation sounds familiar, but I could be confusing them with Roxxon, the company publicly owned and operated by an ancient magic minotaur. Codependent Poster posted:The Beyond Corporation is from Nextwave. Actually, that reminds me - Peter's nightmare at the start of the issue with Uncle Ben with a hole where his face was - wasn't that how they were depicted in that story? Might be foreshadowing.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:58
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Yvonmukluk posted:More recently, they were villains in Ewing's Captain America & The Mighty Avengers. Where they weren't played for laughs. That's correct! From Captain America & the Mighty Avengers #5: 
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Oct 11, 2021 23:13
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How Wonderful! posted:Well, the ran began with fairly light, high-concept stories (oh no! Peter split himself into two guys with a ray gun!) and a focus on Peter's social life, especially a well received subplot where he took on the supervillain Boomerang as a room-mate. Hmm interesting Maybe it was originally meant to undue one more day but editorial changed it?
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Oct 12, 2021 09:40
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Noob Saibot posted:Hmm interesting I mean it still kind of undoes it but also not really? It’s weird
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Oct 12, 2021 14:23
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https://twitter.com/jedmackay/status/1448016912856887297?s=21 Holy poo poo, Vulpes!
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Oct 12, 2021 21:10
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heh, two black cat issues huh. works for me
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Oct 12, 2021 21:23
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Mary Jane and Black Cat get their own one shot. I guess
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Oct 12, 2021 21:58
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They let me in the Spider-Man sandbox to do some Black Cat/ Daughters of the Dragon now and again: •ASM 76.BEY (Daughters solo story) •Death of Doctor Strange: Spider-Man (ft. Black Cat) •ASM 87 (ft. Black Cat + Captain America) •Mary Jane & Black Cat Beyond
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Oct 12, 2021 22:03
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Sentinel Red posted:Despite knowing bugger all about the Eternals until this series, I really liked the opener to the new arc with an increasingly affronted Ajak getting mad at the Avengers over their new choice of hang out, plus the flashback fight one million years earlier. Gillen Gillens while Kei Zama has a blast on art. I'm only where Unlimited is but I am enjoying this run of Eternals quite a bit. I've tried to read them here and there over the years and I could tell something cool was going on but it was too dense to penetrate without an easy way to read back issues.
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Oct 12, 2021 22:13
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Mary Jane and Felicia hanging out without Peter sounds fun. Both of them are at their best, when he's not around.
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Oct 12, 2021 22:22
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I mean Black Cat doesn’t really have much to do with Peter around since their relationship is just criminal Peter wants to gently caress and they never really attempted to move past that
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Oct 12, 2021 22:35
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I’m interested in seeing Black Cat and Captain America in the same room. When’s the last time that happened? Maximum Carnage? Has Vulpes written much 616 Peter Parker? He’s written a lot of Spider-Men, but I’m not sure about the original.
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Oct 12, 2021 23:11
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Open Marriage Night posted:I’m interested in seeing Black Cat and Captain America in the same room. When’s the last time that happened? Maximum Carnage? The first issue of the most recent volume of Black Cat, during the King in Black crossover.
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Oct 12, 2021 23:32
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CharlestheHammer posted:Beyond honestly just feels like filler for whatever they have planned for 900 I’ve gotten distinct “Spencer left early so here’s a stopgap until the real relaunch in 2022” vibes since it was announced, and I think Marvel just confirmed today that it’s only running for 19 issues
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Oct 12, 2021 23:53
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Wanderer posted:The first issue of the most recent volume of Black Cat, during the King in Black crossover. Vulpes wrote one of my favourite lines for a scene between them, actually (I think it was for the big heist story). Felicia lies to him about being responsible for the stuff going on in NY and the thought caption is something like "And my heart breaks when he believes me so easily".
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Oct 13, 2021 01:19
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Barry Convex posted:I’ve gotten distinct “Spencer left early so here’s a stopgap until the real relaunch in 2022” vibes since it was announced, and I think Marvel just confirmed today that it’s only running for 19 issues I mean it’s possible but I can’t think of Spencer’s run lasting twenty more issues. The ending felt a little rushed but not that rushed Like 0 more would increase the run length by 25% CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 01:24
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Gaz-L posted:Vulpes wrote one of my favourite lines for a scene between them, actually (I think it was for the big heist story). Felicia lies to him about being responsible for the stuff going on in NY and the thought caption is something like "And my heart breaks when he believes me so easily". Vulpes also believes in Bats the Ghost Dog supremacy so he is the best writer Marvel has today. 
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Oct 13, 2021 02:31
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Rick posted:I'm only where Unlimited is but I am enjoying this run of Eternals quite a bit. I've tried to read them here and there over the years and I could tell something cool was going on but it was too dense to penetrate without an easy way to read back issues. What does everyone think of the 1985 Eternals maxi series? That was my first real exposure to the characters, and when I re-read it this year on Unlimited it seemed…. a little dull. I remember reading there were real problems between Shooter and Gillis, which led to him being taken off the book 3/4 of the way through…. The whole Eternals concept seems to be “great idea on paper, but never really executed in a way to make people care”. They really didn’t go anywhere for a long time after that 80’s series, unless you count Sersi being an Avenger for like 60+ issues. There was that really good Neil Gaiman series in the mid-aughts, but nothing ever really stood out for me. Even the Kirby stuff was the usual late-period “meh” work from him.
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Oct 13, 2021 02:33
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean it’s possible but I can’t think of Spencer’s run lasting twenty more issues. The ending felt a little rushed but not that rushed you underestimate Spencer’s ability to pile convoluted mystery on top of convoluted mystery, but either way, it still feels like a stopgap before a bigger relaunch of the book
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Oct 13, 2021 02:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean Black Cat doesn’t really have much to do with Peter around since their relationship is just criminal Peter wants to gently caress and they never really attempted to move past that eh, I think they've tried to flesh out their relationship more since then. Like I think of all people, Mark Millar wrote a good relationship between them in Marvel Knights Spider-Man. I think there's potential if they ever did want to explore their relationship deeper, but no character has a chance against MJ. MJ and Peter just compliment each other perfectly and there are some really well-written moments between them that show it. GPTribefan posted:What does everyone think of the 1985 Eternals maxi series? That was my first real exposure to the characters, and when I re-read it this year on Unlimited it seemed…. a little dull. I remember reading there were real problems between Shooter and Gillis, which led to him being taken off the book 3/4 of the way through…. I think the Eternals have sort of suffered from being super overpowered in the Marvel Universe, which can't really support too many godlike characters. Especially ones that don't have feet of clay like the Eternals. That's why I love the twist Gillen has added regarding their immortality. It immediately makes them more interesting because even though they're still godlike, they now know the cost for it and most believe it's too high. They're still powerful, but it all comes at risk and cost and that didn't really exist before.
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Oct 13, 2021 02:53
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They’re like the Inhumans+ who were Mutants+. It’s an interesting evolution.
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Oct 13, 2021 03:48
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Barry Convex posted:you underestimate Spencer’s ability to pile convoluted mystery on top of convoluted mystery, but either way, it still feels like a stopgap before a bigger relaunch of the book Oh it’s definitely that but I don’t think Spencer has to much to do with it. Going weekly with one writer would have been a lot
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Oct 13, 2021 10:16
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I just checked the editorial from ASM 75 and it does say Beyond is a 19-part story. Which takes us to 93, I think. Which leaves the next creative team an arc for the 900th issue. I wonder if JRJR will be back, didn’t he come back to Marvel and he’s not done much?
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Oct 13, 2021 10:18
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I think the issue is, for me at least, the Eternals are just worse New Gods. I already have Orion and Metron and Bekka and Big Barda and etc. at home, why should I go out to the store for other brands?
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Oct 13, 2021 13:00
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The Eternals were never meant to be in the MU when the original series was written, which is why they're a weird, not great fit.
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Oct 13, 2021 13:44
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Goddamn Immortal Hulk. Goddamn.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:56
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I feel like I'm gonna be in the minority but I found it kind of unsatisfying and anticlimactic.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:11
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Gaz-L posted:I feel like I'm gonna be in the minority but I found it kind of unsatisfying and anticlimactic. You might not be. I thought it was a biblical epic steeped in Marvel lore and spoke to not just the origins of the Hulk, but his origins. It felt cinematic and expansive for a story that was fairly self-contained.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:54
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i was with it right up until the last couple of pages where it felt like instead of being able to tie it off in a satisfying way ewing had to half-heartedly leave it open because the cates book is coming out immediately after this
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Oct 13, 2021 18:06
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Imo the end of the story is the big return home. Banner's monologue was weak but didn't matter
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Oct 13, 2021 18:10
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Gaz-L posted:I feel like I'm gonna be in the minority but I found it kind of unsatisfying and anticlimactic. I'm sort of leaning to this direction as well. Like I know we were always dealing with biblical entities, but the, what is essentially, God reveal while also pulling the whole "All apart of my plan, Works in Mysterious ways" feels like a pretty big copout. Also it's been a while but the whole possessed Hulk entity at the end of time/universe killing Franklin, was that ever concluded? Also the reveal that Banner descendants are direct relatives to the Sterns is pretty 
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The denouement basically being scored to a key-shifted version of "Lonely Man" (seriously, I can just imagine a major key version playing over it) doesn't bother me as much as yeah, the other stuff. The idea of the villain basically being God's Hulk wasn't exactly a secret, but it felt like in service of the 'well, you can't really fight a literal creator deity' things just sort of petered out? Like the introduction of the Sterns/Banner family drama is 100% not something you can bring in last minute like this and have it carry weight. Jennifer and Betty may as well not have been in this last chapter. Banner himself is basically absent for the entire last third of the whole run.... Basically it felt like the larger themes of 'anger isn't enough on it's own, it needs to be tempered with compassion/mercy', we all have the capacity to destroy/rebuild rubbed up against and basically overwhelmed any catharsis for the characters, except maybe Jackie a bit. It doesn't help that I'm way more attached to the Greg Pak era of Hulk, so Jarella and Joe's mobster mentor don't really tug the heartstrings for me and the whole run felt like Ewing pointedly avoiding engaging with that period of the series. My main take aways were: I don't think this was intended to be a 50 issue run, I think it got cut short, maybe not by much, but that's my feeling (just to be clear, my feeling, I'm not accusing Marvel of anything, before I get 'um actually'd') as there's plot and theme here that got crammed in right at the finish line. And I really want Ewing to take a shot at the FF.
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