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i say swears online posted:if the US is invading china, i don't think china would have any concerns about collateral damage vis a vis taiwan since it'd by necessity be a logistics point well-known beforehand. do you think the US would launch a war from okinawa Don't think it matters in that case. If there's fighting on the Chinese mainland we're one half-step from nukes. I was more thinking of a sniping each other's shipping situation.
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Oct 13, 2021 08:06
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Fine; as compromise, the PRC may launch a separatist movement on Vancouver Island and make that a "neutral" nation under Chinese influence.
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Oct 13, 2021 08:19
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Yeah, neither the PRC or the US is going to give up over the issue. It is also why there is pressure being placed on SK and the Philippines.
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Oct 13, 2021 08:28
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Maximo Roboto posted:Wait a second, this discussion is absolutely mad. Why would the U.S. try to launch attacks on the Chinese mainland in the event of war? The U.S. isn't even willing to bomb Iran, you think they would really try to invade China? How does that make any logistical sense? It would be like Japan thinking they could conquer the continental U.S. during WWII. iunno the dude asked, i thought it was absurd too
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Oct 13, 2021 08:53
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, neither the PRC or the US is going to give up over the issue. It is also why there is pressure being placed on SK and the Philippines. i in fact think the US is going to give up on this. the PRC's time horizon is way more mature than the US on literally any given issue
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Oct 13, 2021 09:01
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i say swears online posted:i in fact think the US is going to give up on this. the PRC's time horizon is way more mature than the US on literally any given issue We'll see, the US by giving up sea lanes (in any direction), also gives up pretty much any actual mechanism to contain China. In the long-term, I think this point is moot since China's economy is a sufficient size it could build a navy to take out the USN. However, DC will not give it up easily, and they could very well drag it on for decades if they can do so. It makes sense, the only way the Washington Consensus really works is if there are no options others in town, and if you can't eliminate/suppress other options, then you are the one that now has to compromise. They don't want to compromise, they want "no other alternative." It is also why this could get messy, because I could see Washington becoming more desperate to keep control as China gains more of advantage. This includes eventually "cashing out" the US Dollar for a massive military build-up not to mention information warfare and clandestine activities. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 10:24 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 09:19
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Ardennes posted:We'll see, the US by giving up sea lanes (in any direction), also gives up pretty much any actual mechanism to contain China. In the long-term, I think this point is moot since China's economy is a sufficient size it could build a navy to take out the USN. However, DC will not give it up easily, and could very well drag it on for decades if it can do so. this is my issue with any potential war. in 2040 we'll eventually shut up; our MIC can't produce effective military operations anymore and reality will catch up with rhetoric faster than you think. taiwan's death knell was 1971 whatever else anyone wants to believe
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Oct 13, 2021 10:20
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the white house is publicly warning of shortages going into christmas but sure let’s keep pretending war with the world’s most advanced economy would end in anything other than disaster gonna be funny to watch the cpc calmly shrug off whatever cheap veneer the us tries to slap on the umbrella movement for taiwan tho
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Oct 13, 2021 10:32
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Al-Saqr posted:you’re right it’s important to put people in concentration camps en masse no matter what they did or didn’t do. it’s awesome that you would be on the same side as the colonialists and such if you were given the chance back then. how do you stop a global network of jihadists supported by the most powerful empire on earth from doing an insurgency in a border region with ethnic tensions without repressive measures?
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Oct 13, 2021 12:14
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I would say at least the narratives about Chinese blackouts are pretty interesting where you have articles both crowing about the impact of blackouts on the Chinese economy and condemning China for increasing coal production coming out simultaneously. It also interesting considering other countries like India are facing the same situation. It is almost like nothing matters. ---------------- Granted, I expect the political battle for Taiwan if not the geopolitical contest between China and the US is going to get a lot dirtier especially if one side gets an honest advantage over the other. It may go into directions not even the first Cold War did since the US never really had its economic primacy threatened.
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Oct 13, 2021 13:14
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The blackouts are also likely making the supply chain issues and shortages in the US even worse, aren't they?
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Oct 13, 2021 13:42
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Raskolnikov38 posted:AP: genocide over. everybody go home the entirety of america is a concentration camp if you really think about it
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Oct 13, 2021 14:02
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Ardennes posted:We'll see, the US by giving up sea lanes (in any direction), also gives up pretty much any actual mechanism to contain China. In the long-term, I think this point is moot since China's economy is a sufficient size it could build a navy to take out the USN. However, DC will not give it up easily, and they could very well drag it on for decades if they can do so. washington's policies and decision making basically operates on election cycles now whereas china doesnt just putting that out there in terms of the ability of washington to make any kind of coherent policy or planning and my evidence is literally the last shitshow of a decade
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Oct 13, 2021 14:20
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Agrajag posted:washington's policies and decision making basically operates on election cycles now whereas china doesnt There is continuity on the major points, it is short-term planning is a mess and that isn't really up to election cycles as much as DC has no clue what it is doing and how to do it if it did. I do think there was an attempt under Trump to send some feelers to the Russians to try to turn them against China, but it clearly didn't go anywhere as the results of Russia gate showed. That said, Trump is way out of his league in terms of international negotiation and I doubt he had much to give the Russians anyway. Either way, US relations with Russia never improved and still haven't. Kassad posted:The blackouts are also likely making the supply chain issues and shortages in the US even worse, aren't they? I mean they can't help, but considering there are continual blockages in the ports, I don't know if is a core reason. Also, inflation is coming from energy prices which continue to climb. Admittedly, the only way China can move forward (if not most developing states) is to push more coal production/importation in the short-term.
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Oct 13, 2021 14:36
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lollontee posted:how do you stop a global network of jihadists supported by the most powerful empire on earth from doing an insurgency in a border region with ethnic tensions without repressive measures? China is a long way away from being able to stir up separatists in Texas.
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Oct 13, 2021 14:45
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Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time, guess some gamergate folks are still carrying the torch out there
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Oct 13, 2021 14:45
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Oct 13, 2021 14:52
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Ardennes posted:---------------- I'd argue that China already has all of the economic advantages it needs and it can basically just sit and wait as the american ruling class murders/drives into penury its own population/powerbase. I am interested in seeing where america will decide needs an "intervention" between now and the next election cycle. I always view Neo-Liberalism as being the economic equivalent of pulling the copper wires out of the walls and its basically been going on for too long now.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:21
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Feldegast42 posted:Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time, guess some gamergate folks are still carrying the torch out there Yeah I would gladly go back to the old reddit where you can actually page down to posts older than 28 days. Now its endless reddit gamer buck achievement bullshit.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:27
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lollontee posted:how do you stop a global network of jihadists supported by the most powerful empire on earth from doing an insurgency in a border region with ethnic tensions without repressive measures? no you’re right all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent great to see you’re a supporter of Guantanamo and surveillance and entrapment of millions of innocent people based on nothing but their religion and race and taking the ol’ french and British colonialist playbook of rounding them all up what a cool leftist you are. it’s impossible that doing things like ‘starving and seperatist or radical cause of support by treating the citizens well, investing in them, protecting their rights and leaving them alone to live dignified lives and be equal citizens in your country and dealing with crime case-by-case” could ever be an option nope never let’s do the same things america and Israel do and worse instead.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:31
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Al-Saqr posted:no you’re right all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent great to see you’re a supporter of Guantanamo and surveillance and entrapment of millions of innocent people based on nothing but their religion and race and taking the ol’ french and British colonialist playbook of rounding them all up what a cool leftist you are. what exactly do you think is happening
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Oct 13, 2021 16:41
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Al-Saqr posted:no you’re right all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent great to see you’re a supporter of Guantanamo and surveillance and entrapment of millions of innocent people based on nothing but their religion and race and taking the ol’ french and British colonialist playbook of rounding them all up what a cool leftist you are. and worse? worse than america and israel?  im not saying china is not doing anything wrong but cmon
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Oct 13, 2021 16:47
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Al-Saqr posted:no you’re right all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent great to see you’re a supporter of Guantanamo and surveillance and entrapment of millions of innocent people based on nothing but their religion and race and taking the ol’ french and British colonialist playbook of rounding them all up what a cool leftist you are. thats not what i asked though. ETIM built its networks of jihadists and radical madrassas before the most repressive measures were adopted by the Xinjiang administration. how do you see the situation wouldve developed without the concentration camps?
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Oct 13, 2021 16:54
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Maximo Roboto posted:Wait a second, this discussion is absolutely mad. Why would the U.S. try to launch attacks on the Chinese mainland in the event of war? The U.S. isn't even willing to bomb Iran, you think they would really try to invade China? How does that make any logistical sense? It would be like Japan thinking they could conquer the continental U.S. during WWII. No, it would be nuclear ICBMs, an invasion of China would be an existential threat to the state and they would respond accordingly.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:16
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do you enjoy extreme martial arts performances? https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1448237735844667393
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Oct 13, 2021 17:17
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Centrist Committee posted:gonna be funny to watch the cpc calmly shrug off whatever cheap veneer the us tries to slap on the umbrella movement for taiwan tho People itt really don't know anything about Taiwan other than its utility as a pawn in the new great game, do they. A youth movement already existed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement
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Oct 13, 2021 17:35
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lol, hollywood really is out of ideas
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Oct 13, 2021 17:46
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they're not out of ideas they just want to play safe with the IP cash stream, and it's been working pretty well for a while now........ hope it crashes soon tho
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Oct 13, 2021 17:50
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Al-Saqr posted:no you’re right all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent great to see you’re a supporter of Guantanamo and surveillance and entrapment of millions of innocent people based on nothing but their religion and race and taking the ol’ french and British colonialist playbook of rounding them all up what a cool leftist you are. How do you square this opinion with the knowledge that the incarceration rate of uyghurs in xinjiang is lower than the incarceration rate of black people in america? Your position here seems to be that, ok, sure, it turns out all the stuff about forced abortion and murders and slavery and eliminating islam from public life turned out to be false, but there's still a police state in xinjiang! And, sure, but according to neutral third party estimates it is less intense than the one we have here in america. That's why those insane obviously-false accusations existed in the first place. If you boil the accusations down to stuff that you can make apples-to-apples comparisons on, america is way worse.
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Oct 13, 2021 18:31
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to be fair 'country has lower incarceration rates than america' isn't really much of a bar to clear
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Oct 13, 2021 18:34
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Office Pig posted:to be fair 'country has lower incarceration rates than america' isn't really much of a bar to clear well when your stance is literally 'it's worse than america' it is but I agree it was a pretty sad peg to use to begin with
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Oct 13, 2021 18:35
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I will say that I do not think that xinjiang should be a police state, but surely at this point it must be clear to anyone with a brain that our intelligence apparatus MUST escalate all human rights abuses to Human Meat Farm type poo poo BECAUSE in the realm of real human rights abuses real states really commit, the US does not have standing to comment.
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Oct 13, 2021 18:37
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The big issue with china waiting on Taiwan is that there's an actual cohesive national identity that's forming and they might have waited too long at this point to be able to smoothly retake the island
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Oct 13, 2021 18:38
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lol I just started season 2 last night and dang, Cooper is dying on the floor and all he can think about is that he wishes Tibet "could get their country back" and that "the Dalai Lama could return," but yeah, he's a commie-hating fed so it makes sense. I guess now I know a little about why David Lynch has a film program named after him at Maharishi U in Iowa
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Oct 13, 2021 18:38
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Grapplejack posted:The big issue with china waiting on Taiwan is that there's an actual cohesive national identity that's forming and they might have waited too long at this point to be able to smoothly retake the island China would need to actually offer substantive material benefits. Yes Taiwan is a succ liberal democracy comprador regime, but it was an Asian Tiger that saw spectacular increases to quality of life that coincided with the transition to democracy. Those glory days are firmly a decade or two in the past now. So, what can China do to bring those days back, and ensure there won't be crackdowns on existing civil liberties as seen in Hong Kong? Maybe that's where the place they should start with. Fleetwood posted:lol I just started season 2 last night and dang, Cooper is dying on the floor and all he can think about is that he wishes Tibet "could get their country back" and that "the Dalai Lama could return," but yeah, he's a commie-hating fed so it makes sense. I guess now I know a little about why David Lynch has a film program named after him at Maharishi U in Iowa That was the early '90s. "Free Tibet" was a very common liberal meme then. That was the era where New Agey beliefs made a comeback, the Dalai Lama was in the news, lots of self-help mysticism like The Celestine Prophecy, Wicca was big too. Free Tibet was a pop cultural meme more than an actual political demand. It fits Cooper's character as being a quirky mystic. Looks like the actual Free Tibet NGO was founded in '87, three years before Twin Peaks, so there you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet Maximo Roboto has issued a correction as of 18:48 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 18:44
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/UKDefJournal/status/1446132408143675398?s=20 the whole premise of this confused the hell out of me at first since i would think an article about the british violating chinese sovereignity would be considered prochinese propaganda designed to make the british look bad yes i am aware that china doesnt actually own the south china sea but the headline doesnt make that clear at all lol
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Oct 13, 2021 19:20
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Judakel posted:do you enjoy extreme martial arts performances? what the gently caress
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Oct 13, 2021 19:26
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kim jong un would have loved the power team
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Oct 13, 2021 19:46
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mf runs through a brick https://twitter.com/martyn_williams/status/1447982723176484871 efb
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groverhouse doesn't stand a chance
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