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KoldPT
Oct 9, 2012
getting repeatedly owned by xiao today. i was trying to set up a bleed/slash focused hod floor but i keep getting eaten alive and throwing a second floor at her with a bunch of fresh meat just gets them all wrecked really quickly. on the plus side, just missing that and distorted yan to finish out the tier!

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Razakai
Sep 15, 2007

People are afraid
To merge on the freeway
Disappear here
I ended up beating her the first time without any special setup, but purely via luck I think. Standard Gebura build with Nikolai, PT, smoke build and Esther. No specific strategies, just threw big dice at her until I won.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

KoldPT posted:

getting repeatedly owned by xiao today. i was trying to set up a bleed/slash focused hod floor but i keep getting eaten alive and throwing a second floor at her with a bunch of fresh meat just gets them all wrecked really quickly. on the plus side, just missing that and distorted yan to finish out the tier!
Your best bet imo is to break out THE FORBIDDEN ARTS of sticking the whole The Strongest + Myo's Prowess combo on Yesod's floor. This is what TeeQueue was referring to when he said Chained Wrath absolutely breaks the game in the latest LP update - Strongest turns your slowest speed dice into an infinity dice, Chained Wrath makes all your dice the slowest so all your speed dice are guaranteed to be infinity, and then the effect of Myo's Prowess basically gives you a permanent +5 power. The Metallic Ringing EGO card also helps a lot against Xiao, since staggering her will basically win you the fight.

It's a real bloody shame that Xiao's book is a requirement for Binah's Realization, since Binah's Exodia setup demolishes her if you get it off.

Another piece of advice: engage with her mechanics as best you can (clash with that card every turn the power's on) and swap floors for the second round. Sending a fresh floor at her while she's at emotion 1 will let them last a lot longer, and let you bring in your high emotion floor from the first round after they soften her up. Start off with Binah or Hod, swap to Yesod when you beat the first round and try to get off a Metallic Ringing since her stagger does not recover between rounds, then finish her off with your pre-prepared floor.

Alternatively, you can throw all that out and do it THE REAL MAN'S WAY. Load up Gebura with 3x steel knuckles, 3xspear and 3xlevel slash, lone fixer, Myo's Prowess and Health Hauler, her mooks with Udjat pages loaded up with weak multi hit pages like Opportunity Spotted, lose as many clashes as you can while keeping your mooks alive to generate as many red coins as possible and go for Mountain of Corpses so you can duel her to death with Super Saiyan Gebura.

GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Oct 3, 2021

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
honestly even without resorting to weaponized cheese Blind Faith in everyone's deck goes a long way towards making that fight easy, it does an insane amount of work for its cost. on power-null turns it outclashes everything in her deck, including the mass attack, for an effective cost of 2.

Nea
Feb 28, 2014

Funny Little Guy Aficionado.
Is there a working no-grind mod right now that doesn't just give you every book in the game?

Torchlighter
Jan 15, 2012

I Got Kids. I need this.

Nea posted:

Is there a working no-grind mod right now that doesn't just give you every book in the game?

You can use the beta selector in Steam to go back to 1.1.0.5b1, which supports basemods. I don't think there's any substantial difference in balance.

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

Nea posted:

Is there a working no-grind mod right now that doesn't just give you every book in the game?

by coincidence i just found this on the workshop https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2598017162

started a new game to test it and got all of the rats pages out of one book without receiving anything from later books. works on the current standard version, just run the game with mods and enable it

speaking of the workshop :swoon:


lets hang out fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 6, 2021

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8EYd733I6c

This is incredible. Massive spoilers for the entire game, of course. Can YOU name all the floor cheese strats being shown off?

Your Everyday NEET
Apr 26, 2017
Combat Preparation is just deceptively powerful. +2 Endurance to all next turn is just too good. If only I know it sooner.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Your Everyday NEET posted:

Combat Preparation is just deceptively powerful. +2 Endurance to all next turn is just too good. If only I know it sooner.
And you get it at the same time as Walter and Retaliate. There's a lot of really good defensive pages early on.

IAmThatIs
Nov 17, 2014

Wasteland Style
I’m really struggling on this section of Impuritas Civitas:


I’ve done the entirety of the blue reveberation without any issue, up until the Hokma fight. I’ve tried multiple times, and just can’t make it work. By doing the fight “honestly” and engaging the mechanics, I’ve defeated the shades but then died to him resummoning the shades while still making GBS threads out damage.
I’ve also tried doing a gimmick blockma strategy where I strip the assistant librarians, and have block PT utilizing block=damage to try to whittle down pluto. Using the energy contract allows for powerful block counter dice machine gunning. Unfortunately, every time I stagger it gives hokma light, which makes him lose HP. Even with corpse cleaning the light refunds kill me right when i get pluto to <50 health

It’s so frustrating that a build that should work is getting undercut by a poorly documented mechanic that took me two tries to figure out what was happening...

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

I just had the assistants take all the contracts. With all the block passives, Hokma shouldn't need a boost.

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
Give him the light cost randomization one and a deck full of serpentines/bi ans but none of the others.

SITB
Nov 3, 2012
Also, generic Zwei keypages have the 'Keep In Stride' passive that heals you upon winning a clash, which is pretty good for a Blockma build.

Admittedly the only contract I bothered to put on Hokma was the clashing one, since in Guard stance he ignores the downsides.

IAmThatIs
Nov 17, 2014

Wasteland Style
That did the trick, thanks y’all!

This game is remarkable, but every once in a while the solutions escape me + Failures taking 20 min to resolve can be very frustrating

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

IAmThatIs posted:

That did the trick, thanks y’all!

This game is remarkable, but every once in a while the solutions escape me + Failures taking 20 min to resolve can be very frustrating

I have bad news for you

Your Everyday NEET
Apr 26, 2017
Failing a Realization, especially in later phase = at least an hour of wasted time.

At least the music's really good.

IAmThatIs
Nov 17, 2014

Wasteland Style

Your Everyday NEET posted:

Failing a Realization, especially in later phase = at least an hour of wasted time.

At least the music's really good.

I actually didn’t have to restart a single realization

IC spoiler
the keter realization is by far the hardest, but if you lose you can thankfully retry individual levels

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!
LP question: So does Netzach's floor no longer open after finishing Streetlight Office, or is TeeQueue fudging things?

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
It opened after the urban legend cutscene for me. I’m going in order.

ZeroCount
Aug 12, 2013


Spoilers for the final fights:

Fun code interaction I just saw. You know how Distorted Argalia has a mechanic to stop himself from dropping below 1 HP so that, at the end of the round, the game can play the cutscene of Roland killing him? Turns out that if you kill Argalia but he then proceeds to kill your last surviving librarians in his little immortality period before the round ends, the cutscene won't trigger and it counts as his win.

:lobcorp:

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!
https://twitter.com/LiberareLimbus/status/1448933073970622469

New Limbus, based on "Hell Screen"

Wikipedia posted:

"Hell Screen" is narrated by an uninvolved servant who witnesses or hears of the events. The plot of "Hell Screen" centers on the artist Yoshihide. Yoshihide is considered “the greatest painter in the land”, and is often commissioned to create works for the Lord of Horikawa, who also employs Yoshihide’s daughter in his mansion. When Yoshihide is instructed to create a folding screen depicting the Buddhist hell, he proceeds to inflict tortures upon his apprentices, so he can see what he is trying to paint. Supernatural forces seem to be present; one time, Yoshihide speaks in a devilish voice. The story climaxes when Yoshihide asks the lord to burn a beautiful lady in a carriage so he can finish the screen. The lord concedes, but, in a macabre twist, Yoshihide must watch as his daughter Yūzuki and her monkey are the ones who burn. The story ends with the magnificently horrible screen completed, and Yoshihide’s suicide by hanging.



Those seem to be the Fingers in the back.

Theantero
Nov 6, 2011

...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....
The hell's going on with the Ring :v:

MinutePirateBug
Mar 4, 2013
It is a penis... With a hat! And Rings!

Theantero
Nov 6, 2011

...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....
No, that's the Thumb, and we already know they're dicks. Nothing new there.

CHiRAL
Mar 29, 2010

Anus.
Im more concerned about the pinky tbh :staredog:

Theantero
Nov 6, 2011

...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....
I mean yeah, but with the Pinky you can sort of immediately visualize their whole deal, whilst the Ring is just... 70's disco villains in garish multi-pattern suits? Is that what that is? And the Ring is supposed to be the really brutal one, at least according to Sayo.

I'm curious :v:

ZeroCount
Aug 12, 2013


Theantero posted:

I mean yeah, but with the Pinky you can sort of immediately visualize their whole deal, whilst the Ring is just... 70's disco villains in garish multi-pattern suits? Is that what that is? And the Ring is supposed to be the really brutal one, at least according to Sayo.

I'm curious :v:

I mean, the Thumb and the Index in that picture don't really give a good image of their actual deal either so who knows

MinutePirateBug
Mar 4, 2013

CHiRAL posted:

Im more concerned about the pinky tbh :staredog:

The ravages of syphilis.

Verant
Oct 20, 2012

Go on an adventure ordained by fate?
-->Okay.
-->Eh.
Wellp, picked up Library of Ruina thanks to TeeQue's excellent LPs, and now I've hit my 2nd (2.5th? Struggled with Spider Bud for a couple of tries before taking a...blunt approach to the fight) big roadblock in Urban Plague after Dawn Office, the Queen of Hatred. Unlike that first fight that I defeated thanks to discovering the power of Walter shenanigans, her ranged pages are messing me up something fierce, and I'm too used to playing with floors that have at least one abnormality suppressed, so Tiph & company's decks are probably too light-heavy. Honestly kind of feels like a fight that I should come back to later, but I'm curious if it is possible to suppress that one without taking on Wedge Office or Love Town.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Verant posted:

Wellp, picked up Library of Ruina thanks to TeeQue's excellent LPs, and now I've hit my 2nd (2.5th? Struggled with Spider Bud for a couple of tries before taking a...blunt approach to the fight) big roadblock in Urban Plague after Dawn Office, the Queen of Hatred. Unlike that first fight that I defeated thanks to discovering the power of Walter shenanigans, her ranged pages are messing me up something fierce, and I'm too used to playing with floors that have at least one abnormality suppressed, so Tiph & company's decks are probably too light-heavy. Honestly kind of feels like a fight that I should come back to later, but I'm curious if it is possible to suppress that one without taking on Wedge Office or Love Town.
The second fight on the far left is the Kurokumo Clan, who specialise in slash attacks and bleed effects. If you just stack as much bleed as you can, the Abno will basically kill itself.

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Verant posted:

Wellp, picked up Library of Ruina thanks to TeeQue's excellent LPs, and now I've hit my 2nd (2.5th? Struggled with Spider Bud for a couple of tries before taking a...blunt approach to the fight) big roadblock in Urban Plague after Dawn Office, the Queen of Hatred. Unlike that first fight that I defeated thanks to discovering the power of Walter shenanigans, her ranged pages are messing me up something fierce, and I'm too used to playing with floors that have at least one abnormality suppressed, so Tiph & company's decks are probably too light-heavy. Honestly kind of feels like a fight that I should come back to later, but I'm curious if it is possible to suppress that one without taking on Wedge Office or Love Town.


GilliamYaeger posted:

The second fight on the far left is the Kurokumo Clan, who specialise in slash attacks and bleed effects. If you just stack as much bleed as you can, the Abno will basically kill itself.

You don't need to directly clash with Mass Attacks. Just put attacks that can outroll them in the dice they target, and have those dice target her other dice. Also, don't clash every attack. Just focus on the "In the Name of" attacks and let "With Love" pass by in favor of getting one-sided attacks on, especially if that means getting free bleed on her. Maybe redirect "Arcana Beats" if you have enough speed and a designated tank, but I doubt that can be reliably done and I didn't need it to take her down. Finally, offensive melee dice can keep being recycled as long as they deflect ranged dice, so melee cards with one big die work wonders against multiple small ranged dice.

Solitair fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Oct 16, 2021

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Verant posted:

Wellp, picked up Library of Ruina thanks to TeeQue's excellent LPs, and now I've hit my 2nd (2.5th? Struggled with Spider Bud for a couple of tries before taking a...blunt approach to the fight) big roadblock in Urban Plague after Dawn Office, the Queen of Hatred. Unlike that first fight that I defeated thanks to discovering the power of Walter shenanigans, her ranged pages are messing me up something fierce, and I'm too used to playing with floors that have at least one abnormality suppressed, so Tiph & company's decks are probably too light-heavy. Honestly kind of feels like a fight that I should come back to later, but I'm curious if it is possible to suppress that one without taking on Wedge Office or Love Town.

You need to decide whether to transform her or not. She's harder when transformed, but whenever I fought her and tried not to transform her it always went "she's almost staggered, whoops that's a lot of purple, oh hey she transformed which includes full damage and stagger heal" and then I died. Eventually I did one more non-abnormality flight for slightly better combat pages and just transformed her ASAP and took her out, but that fight is very hard.

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Qrr posted:

You need to decide whether to transform her or not. She's harder when transformed, but whenever I fought her and tried not to transform her it always went "she's almost staggered, whoops that's a lot of purple, oh hey she transformed which includes full damage and stagger heal" and then I died. Eventually I did one more non-abnormality flight for slightly better combat pages and just transformed her ASAP and took her out, but that fight is very hard.

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to stagger her unless she gets winded after transforming and using her mass attack. The advice I gave in my last post is for beating her without triggering the transformation. It felt like, once I realized the tips I shared, I had a breakthrough and suddenly she wasn't that hard to beat anymore, though maybe I just got lucky.

Razakai
Sep 15, 2007

People are afraid
To merge on the freeway
Disappear here
Just completed the game. Fun, but holy poo poo was the last part exhausting.
I also heard that there was some sort of controversy about the original ending - what was that all about?

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Razakai posted:

Just completed the game. Fun, but holy poo poo was the last part exhausting.
I also heard that there was some sort of controversy about the original ending - what was that all about?
Keter Realization wasn't there in the original ending.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Razakai posted:

Just completed the game. Fun, but holy poo poo was the last part exhausting.
I also heard that there was some sort of controversy about the original ending - what was that all about?

Original ending is the bit after the Black Silence fight. So no Keter Realization, no Reverb Encore, and I believe no Fight Against The Head. It works, but it's much more of an down note, that doesn't really give any kind of indication of how things are going to proceed (and I believe it also doesn't establish that people got unbooked). People were widely Not Happy about it, with some dipshits being Not Happy to the point of death threats. Ultimately, they changed it, and while I can't say part of me isn't happy that Death Threat Idiots got their way, I would have to say that I think the story is better for it, even if it is more stuff piled onto the already very long ending sequence.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

The Lord of Hats posted:

Original ending is the bit after the Black Silence fight. So no Keter Realization, no Reverb Encore, and I believe no Fight Against The Head. It works, but it's much more of an down note, that doesn't really give any kind of indication of how things are going to proceed (and I believe it also doesn't establish that people got unbooked). People were widely Not Happy about it, with some dipshits being Not Happy to the point of death threats. Ultimately, they changed it, and while I can't say part of me isn't happy that Death Threat Idiots got their way, I would have to say that I think the story is better for it, even if it is more stuff piled onto the already very long ending sequence.
No, there was the Reverb Encore and the fight against the Head, the latter was just way more of a cutscene fight than it is now. The original credits had a bunch of happy scenes of the Library gang living life free of the City. The game also ended on some blatant sequel bait involving Iori.

You can see the credits and Iori scene here.

GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Oct 16, 2021

Razakai
Sep 15, 2007

People are afraid
To merge on the freeway
Disappear here
Interesting. I feel like the game could've probably ended after the Black Silence fight (and I guess the pseudo-cutscene fight with The Head) and it'd have been fine. The other fights were cool, but the pacing feels way off. Not sure how or where you'd fit a Keter realization in earlier than that though. I don't think Reverb mk.2 were really needed, especially as their fight was so easy.

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t3isukone
Dec 18, 2020

13km away

GilliamYaeger posted:

No, there was the Reverb Encore and the fight against the Head, the latter was just way more of a cutscene fight than it is now. The original credits had a bunch of happy scenes of the Library gang living life free of the City. The game also ended on some blatant sequel bait involving Iori.

You can see the credits and Iori scene here.


I miss the credits from that ending :(

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