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gradenko_2000 posted:Cuba also did something similar I don't see what the big deal is
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Oct 17, 2021 08:23
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guy who posted that is a labor trot who plays at china scholarship, it's in his interest to cherrypick and obfuscate
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Oct 17, 2021 08:24
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R. Guyovich posted:guy who posted that is a labor trot who plays at china scholarship, it's in his interest to cherrypick and obfuscate Labor trots are horse works
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Oct 17, 2021 08:42
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dead gay comedy forums posted:yeah, "welfare state" is a concept that does not translate to a socialist government because it is an entirely different social contract - everything that we under a market economy consider a public social benefit is provided (or should be at least) by a central government service under socialism, as long as you are working. Since socialism must also organize all labor, this should be a self-solving mechanism, but of course it never went that neatly did the Soviets have a similar system? I’m guessing if you’re unemployed bc of disability or factors outside of your control that make it impossible for you to work you’re given the full suite of benefits since not doing so would be pretty needless cruelty
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Oct 17, 2021 09:41
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There are other activities that can enrich a community/society. Our ideas of "job" and "work" are perverted by capitalism.
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Oct 17, 2021 10:05
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AnimeIsTrash posted:A somewhat influential German man once wrote "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Please don't quote Hitler in here
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Oct 17, 2021 10:29
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stephenthinkpad posted:So Philippines is first-past-the-post system right? There is not run off second-round like France? How come the similar candidates don't make pack and run together? Like what's the chance of the liberal VP and the Manila mayor social media guy join together? So, a bit of history. In 2016, there were four main contenders for the presidency. Duterte we already know of - Mayor of Davao City, built a hype machine for his candidacy, didn't actually file to run for president during the official period, which blew up the hype for his candidacy even more, swooped in at the very last minute, and between that and his tough-on-crime, anti-establishment rhetoric (what some might call "right-wing populism") shot straight up the polls and basically had an unassailable lead despite all his misogynist remarks and promises of brutal, violent crackdowns on drugs. Jejomar Binay - he used to be the Mayor of Makati City, Metro Manila's central business district. He was Vice President from 2010 to 2016 under PNoy Aquino. Remember that Presidents and VPs are voted-on separately, so this was a case of a liberal president and a conservative veep (whereas it's essentially the other way around with Duterte and Robredo). People already marked him down as being The Guy To Watch Out For In 2016, because he made no pretensions about wanting to run for the top spot. He was involved in a number of corruption scandals during his time as Mayor - basically kickbacks and graft over construction contracts - this hounded him as soon as he declared his run for presidency and he ended up finishing dead last in the 2016 elections. Indeed, it's a somewhat popular belief that because the Liberal Party's mudslinging machinery had all its guns trained on Binay, that they missed the danger that was Duterte and couldn't muster a counter-narrative to bring the Davao Mayor down in time. In any case, Binay is now not just running for Senator in the 2022 elections, he was endorsed by Leni Robredo, which is what I mentioned earlier about how Robredo seems to be pulling-in people from the right, and the center, and the liberal wing, but shutting out the left, something I'd consider a huge red flag. Mar Roxas - he was supposed to be the Liberal Party's candidate in 2010, until Cory Aquino died of cancer, and he stepped aside to let PNoy Aquino run with him as the veep, because the party figured out that Aquino was going to be that much more popular riding that huge wave of sympathy for Cory. Roxas lost the VP spot to Binay, and instead bounced-around the Aquino administration in various cabinet secretary appointments. He could never shake this perception of being an out-of-touch elite - which is technically true since he's from one of the richest old-money families in the Philippines, but particularly he had a number of public incidents where he gave a sort of Mitt-Romney-esque, "how do you do fellow kids" vibe. The biggest attack line against him was that he was leading the national government's response to Supertyphoon Haiyan in 2013, the one that virtually destroyed the city of Haiyan, and the response was generally perceived as being anemic, if not altogether uncaring and insufficient. He supposedly blew his top at the local mayor at the time, his wife picked a fight with CNN's Anderson Cooper about his on-site reporting, they stopped counting bodies arbitrarily, that sort of thing. Come 2016, it was "his turn" at the presidency after graciously waiting six years for the party's sake... but he had no good record to run on. It was pure technocratic pap, which then turned into "you HAVE to vote for me because the alternative is Duterte". It didn't work. He tried running for Senator in the 2019 mid-terms and didn't make the cut. Mercifully it seems like he's going to spare us his presence this year. Grace Poe - she was the adopted daughter of action-movie-star FPJ - Fernando Poe, Jr., who ran against Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in 2004. GMA infamously stole that election with massive amounts of fraud (that we never did anything about, lol) and when FPJ tragically died of a heart attack less than a year after losing the elections, there was an immense wave of sympathy for Grace Poe when she took a shot at running for Senator in 2013, getting the most number of votes by far. She was so popular that when 2016 was coming up, she actually approached the Liberal Party and entered into negotiations about being their standard-bearer. She was rebuffed, but she found another oligarch to back her and she ran on her own anyway. She positioned herself as a heavily pro-US candidate (her campaign logo and paraphernalia looked a LOT like Obama's) that was ideologically liberal, but didn't have the stink of being from the Liberal Party. The LP actually did do some mudsligning against her - arguing that because her birth parents and birth records couldn't be traced, that she wasn't a valid Filipino citizen. It didn't really stick, and instead just crystallized respective voter bases between LP loyalists, and people who were notionally liberal or at least didn't want Duterte, but didn't want to vote for Mar Roxas either. Anyway, mere days before the 2016 elections, there was a last-minute controversy when Mar Roxas began calling upon Grace Poe to either drop out of the race, or at least tell her supporters to vote for him instead, because Duterte was still in the lead and the only hope of beating him would be if both of their voter bases fused-together. Poe refused to back down, and why would she? Roxas was behind HER in the polls! So they both refused to budge and the elections went along as it did. The result? Duterte with 39% of the vote, Roxas with 23%, Poe with 21% (a polling upset!), and Binay at 12%. Now, strictly by the math, 23 + 21 comes out to 44%, which is just two points more than PNoy Aquino's winning vote share in 2010, so the narrative that's developed around this is that PNoy's voters were split between Roxas and Poe, and IF ONLY THERE WAS JUST ONE OPPOSITION CANDIDATE, then Duterte could have been defeated. Some will argue that Poe was being "selfish" by refusing to throw it to Roxas, while others will argue that an poll of "second choices" taken after the election indicated that not all of Poe's voters would have necessarily gone to Roxas, and consequently that Duterte would have won even if she dropped-out. Sidebar: This also comes up during arguments about run-off or preferential voting, that even if the Philippines had a system like France's where you'd have a second election day with Duterte and Roxas in a straight head-to-head, that you'd still see Duterte win in that scenario (unlike what DID happen in France). In any case, Poe won her Senate seat in 2013, and Senators here have six-year terms, with half the Senate getting elected every three years, so even though she lost her presidential bid in 2016, she just went back to the Senate, and then won a second term in the 2019 midterms. We have a term limit on Senators of no more than two consecutive terms, so she leaves the Senate in 2024 and can't run again. She's made no noises about any kind of other candidacy in 2022. _ That brings us to today. Because of this legend of 2016 vote-splitting that lead to Duterte's ascendancy, the overriding worry among the broad anti-Duterte opposition (comprising liberals, leftists, and conservatives-horrified-by-Duterte's-vulgarity) was a repeat in 2022 if there wasn't one single opposition candidate. Indeed, the margin needed for this one single opposition candidate wouldn't even need to be all that large, because it was expected that both Ferdinand Marcos Jr. and Sara Duterte would run, and those two (and Manny Pacquiao, to a lesser extent) are all pulling from the same pool of voters. If we could just have one opposition candidate, then it might even be a reversal of 2016, where it's the "pro-Duterte" vote that gets split between two reactionary candidates, and then everyone else lines up behind the Not-Marcos-Not-Duterte candidate and the Republic is saved. The problem now is that it didn't work out that way. Isko Moreno is also running, and he's the guy that's not overtly connected to the Dutertes or to the Marcoses, but he's also NOT from/of the Liberal Party, which gives him some appeal to those wanting some kind of middle-ground. This is why, on the day that Leni Robredo announced her candidacy, there was a lot of chatter about "#iskoWithdraw", for him to drop out of the race so that all of the opposition votes get sucked up by Robredo and it's all smooth sailing from here on out. But that's not realistic, because in Philippine politics, as long as you have at least one multimillionaire backing you and willing to blow half a billion pesos (or about 10 million US dollars), then you can run a campaign and you have just about zero reason to drop out. You know how Liz Warren managed to stay in the DNC primary just long enough to sponge-up votes away from Bernie Sanders because Warren had Karla Jurvetson bankrolling her? I'm not saying that Poe's 2016 run, or Isko Moreno's 2022 run is an op like Warren's was, but it's the same dynamic in that the oligarch can keep your campaign humming along just long enough that it doesn't matter what the "strategic wisdom" of a fusion ticket would be. And this is the long way around to get to the answer that theoretically, it is possible that were Robredo and Moreno work together that it could yield a voter base large enough to overwhelm Duterte's and Marcos's, but there's just no leverage to make that happen. Sidebar: Leody de Guzman is also potentially a threat to Robredo from the left, and is likely getting a lot of attention on social media because of it, but it really remains to be seen whether he even has enough of a voter base for it to matter. I think some people just love punching left. stephenthinkpad posted:Also what happened to the guy came in 2nd last time, *check note*, the grandson of old president. How come the pollster didn't consider him? As I said above, Mar Roxas tried to run for Senator in the 2019 mid-terms and lost. He signaled no intention to run for anything in 2022, so the pollsters didn't include him. All eyes are and were on Leni Robredo as the Liberal standard-bearer. stephenthinkpad posted:One more question, do Filipinos consider Bong Go a Chinese affiliate because his name? Not just because of his name. Bong Go was Duterte's secretary and virtually his "body man" for the first three years of his Presidency, right up until Go ran and won as Senator, but even as Senator he was still seen hanging around Duterte so much that it blurs the separation of the legislative from the executive. Because he's tied so closely to Duterte, and because Duterte is perceived to be such a loyal lapdog to Beijing, Go also gets that by association.
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Oct 17, 2021 11:42
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Good Phillippine election stories. What I have noticed is Philippines has so many popular candidates who are children/wives of *tragically dead* politicians. Filipinos must love melodrama. India used to have a lot of family connection in their elections but the rise of BJP cut down a lot of that. Family dynasties still presence in regional parties.
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Oct 17, 2021 12:37
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Lol the BJP just buys up pre existing parties up wholesale with their corporate bux. The Parliament is full of large sons/daughters of regional politicians who don't even engage in the machine politics as of old. Tell me more about how Jyotiraditya Scindia is not still his father's son just because he joined the BJP. Indian media is just obsessed with america tiers of meritocracy when it comes to politics forgetting that these people run for elections.
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Oct 17, 2021 13:08
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stephenthinkpad posted:Good Phillippine election stories. What I have noticed is Philippines has so many popular candidates who are children/wives of *tragically dead* politicians. Filipinos must love melodrama. On some level I don't want to give too much emphasis on "necropolitics", because it takes away from PNoy Aquino running a good campaign. Cory's death gave him a head start and put him in a position push out Mar Roxas, but his anticorruption message and his commitment to prosecuting Gloria Arroyo resonated well. I'd go so far as to say people actually wanted to vote FOR Aquino, rather than Roxas simply begging people to vote AGAINST Duterte. PNoy could have just as easily run on a purely "I'm Cory's son" message and it would've probably gone much worse for him. It's a recipe for disaster, because the 2019 mid-terms were the same thing with the Liberal Party slate doing nothing but running on an anti-Duterte message and getting completely wiped out as a result. Similarly, Leni Robredo did enter politics on the back of her husband's death, but she had a name to trade on because Jessie Robredo was such a beloved and effective politician within their province. And I do hope, for all our sakes, that her campaign isn't just going to be a purely anti-Marcos/anti-Duterte message.
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Oct 17, 2021 13:29
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BEB
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Oct 17, 2021 14:15
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https://mobile.twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1449461508421738499 i finally found it a tweet that perfectly encapsulates the disconnect between local korean political discourse english language discourse about korea and the sheer naivete of people who think that the latter is vapid due to a lack of people informed enough to capably discuss it
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Oct 17, 2021 15:02
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Yeah, the Soviets were more or less the same, there was full but more or less mandatory employment. People ended up guarding random doors but had right to paid vacations in Crimea etc.
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Oct 17, 2021 15:15
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ZhengguanNews/status/1449545198204227584
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Oct 17, 2021 15:15
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, the Soviets were more or less the same, there was full but more or less mandatory employment. People ended up guarding random doors but had right to paid vacations in Crimea etc. still more efficient than endlessly grifting billionaires
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Oct 17, 2021 15:21
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Laos writing script looks very similar to Myanmar writing script. Can't tell if they are the same.
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Oct 17, 2021 15:22
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I can’t remember where I read it but I read a story once about the profusion of Soviet indie bands that happened because all their members had jobs that basically meant they had to check a boiler in the basement of a block of flats once a week. Paid barely enough to keep them going while they hosed around doing music. Kinda cool
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Oct 17, 2021 15:24
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Lightningproof posted:I can’t remember where I read it but I read a story once about the profusion of Soviet indie bands that happened because all their members had jobs that basically meant they had to check a boiler in the basement of a block of flats once a week. Paid barely enough to keep them going while they hosed around doing music. Kinda cool I think we might be thinking of the same thing, I've been trying to find it forever now. What I remember was that there was apparently an incredible independent theater scene in Moscow and when the union collapsed and shock therapy started everyone was so busy trying to survive that the entire scene collapsed.
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Oct 17, 2021 15:28
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https://twitter.com/APjoshgoodman/status/1449500811134918659 I know this isn't Asia related, but its funny that the exact same thing happened here as when the US tried to kidnap the Huawei exec for not following US sanctions Even more egregious this time since Alex Saab is a diplomat
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Oct 17, 2021 15:37
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Red and Black posted:https://twitter.com/APjoshgoodman/status/1449500811134918659 hell loving yes king poo poo
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Oct 17, 2021 15:43
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wait its already done?
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Oct 17, 2021 15:54
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These layover flights are very dangerous. Don't make connection flights.
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Oct 17, 2021 15:54
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Red and Black posted:https://twitter.com/APjoshgoodman/status/1449500811134918659 oil execs have 100% have funded or encouraged genocides and death squads so fucke m
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Oct 17, 2021 15:56
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stephenthinkpad posted:India used to have a lot of family connection in their elections but the rise of BJP cut down a lot of that. Family dynasties still presence in regional parties. The Gandhis still run the INC. Lol
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Oct 17, 2021 16:01
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drat, this new season of Narcos is crazy.
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Oct 17, 2021 16:01
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1449461508421738499 what are they striking over?
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Oct 17, 2021 16:24
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https://twitter.com/naval_post/status/1449294662683009025?s=21 rad edit: even radder Crusader has issued a correction as of 16:59 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Oct 17, 2021 16:42
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Tankbuster posted:what are they striking over? https://mobile.twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1449539432843907075
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Oct 17, 2021 16:53
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Palladium posted:still more efficient than endlessly grifting billionaires I would also say it is also preferrable to UBI system, especially without price controls. Even if someone is doing a marginalish job at least it is usually providing sometype of utility (somehow has to check boilers or whatever) while still giving them income while not having the stress of literally working to survive. A UBI system probably wouldn't provide enough time while giving a much more one-way power dynamic (it is "privilege). IAMKOREA posted:I think we might be thinking of the same thing, I've been trying to find it forever now. What I remember was that there was apparently an incredible independent theater scene in Moscow and when the union collapsed and shock therapy started everyone was so busy trying to survive that the entire scene collapsed. Yeah, I would imagine the late Soviet rock/punk scene had similar origins. --------------------- But yeah China has been improving its social safety net but I don't think Xi considers this "welfare" but rather improving conditions/benefits for workers.
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Oct 17, 2021 16:59
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Mirello posted:life under communism is not supposed to be "sit on your fat rear end and have robots do everything for you" its pretty saddening to me that so many leftists conception of paradise is basically the people from wall-e. this marx quote puts it very well: im p sure when people are picturing a communist utopia of luxury they are imagining the federation from star trek not the wall-e people.
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Oct 17, 2021 17:41
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gradenko_2000 posted:Cuba also did something similar I don't see what the big deal is Also, in Castro's autobiography he talks about arguing with the USSR (Gorbachev when he was younger maybe?) about making transit free. Castro basically said no, if it's totally free, people use it to go two blocks and there's a strain on the system for totally unnecessary trips. Anyway, my point is that I'm kinda fascinated by how the perspective shifts when you're talking about a socialist country. Things that would seem almost like right-wing dogwhistles in the context of any western capitalist country are totally different in the context of a socialist one. eyyy dialectics baby Basically this: dead gay comedy forums posted:yeah, "welfare state" is a concept that does not translate to a socialist government because it is an entirely different social contract
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Oct 17, 2021 17:49
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Where did this come from? There's no link to anything, and there's no date either. Is this new or is this someone pulling up some old rear end poo poo?
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Oct 17, 2021 17:53
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Neat to see labour flexing it's muscle the year before an election. I am guessing RoK isn't too big on having explicitly leftwing parties.
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Oct 17, 2021 17:55
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China tried the commune model around the great leap forward period. People in the farming communes ended up eating too much and not putting in much work. What I am saying is China actually tried it in the real world, that's more than 95% of other countries.
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Oct 17, 2021 17:55
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welfare is necessary to maintain the reserve army of labor, which doesn't exist in socialist states
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Oct 17, 2021 17:56
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are people seriously acting as if the combination of climate and mass deaths won't necessitate enough work for the remaining humans?
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Oct 17, 2021 17:58
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Judakel posted:are people seriously acting as if the combination of climate and mass deaths won't necessitate enough work for the remaining humans? Yeah, someone's going to have to probate all those wills, realtor all those houses, adjust all those insurance claims, file all those death certificates.
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Oct 17, 2021 18:00
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Lostconfused posted:Where did this come from?   
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Oct 17, 2021 18:04
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Tankbuster posted:what are they striking over? whadya got?
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