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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Also atheism was really big twenty years ago (at least online) but its power has waned because r/atheism, Sam Harris, Ricky Gervais, etc. have made being outright anti-religion cringe

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
Yeah in my country you could drive a motorcycle on a regular car drivers licence. Now they are separate, at least since the 90s. But for anyone who had their drivers license issued before that can still drive a MC. Not sure if it still applies to "heavy" motorcycles though which are their own category of mc vehicle but i believe so.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Maximo Roboto posted:

Also atheism was really big twenty years ago (at least online) but its power has waned because r/atheism, Sam Harris, Ricky Gervais, etc. have made being outright anti-religion cringe

which is why the next revolution will be led by the wisdom and guiding light of allah

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Poland's top court ruling marks major challenge to EU laws

Poland's highest court ruled that some parts of EU treaties are unconstitutional under Polish law and that the EU cannot interfere with Poland’s judiciary.

The EU may withhold funds to Poland over this.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

OhFunny posted:

Poland's top court ruling marks major challenge to EU laws

Poland's highest court ruled that some parts of EU treaties are unconstitutional under Polish law and that the EU cannot interfere with Poland’s judiciary.

The EU may withhold funds to Poland over this.

Gonna be fun

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



gently caress, I have investments in eastern poland

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

gently caress, I have investments in eastern poland

owned lmao

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

gently caress, I have investments in eastern poland

u rememberd :nyoron:

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

gently caress, I have investments in eastern poland

lmao

Osmosisch
Sep 9, 2007

I shall make everyone look like me! Then when they trick each other, they will say "oh that Coyote, he is the smartest one, he can even trick the great Coyote."



Grimey Drawer

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

gently caress, I have investments in eastern poland

But daddy, why did you invest there?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol get hosed kurz

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

i say swears online posted:

lol get hosed kurz

He's going for the Putin/Medvedev move. Let's see if it works for him.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

that's probably a relationship that entailed a lot of trust, and iunno if he's got that


vvv gotcha, that's informative

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

i say swears online posted:

that's probably a relationship that entailed a lot of trust, and iunno if he's got that

The chancellor(which corresponds to PM) really doesn't have a lot of levers to push in Austria and Kurz doesn't intend to resign as party leader. If they let him hang on in that function he's only going to drop out of a few meetings.

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt
poo poo might be popping off in the Balkans soon/again

https://balkaninsight.com/2021/10/13/kosovo-police-clash-with-serbs-in-anti-smuggling-crackdown/

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Nah, I would view this more like the Macedonian mid 2010s low intensity troubles. We’ll see soon which of the sides is trying to save face before the final Kosovo breakaway and/or division.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/13/why-hungary-is-infected-by-ultras-who-are-almost-impossible-to-control-wembley-violence



White nationalism on the terraces of Hungarian football stadiums dates back to the 1950s, and grew through the 1970s and 1980s as Hungary’s youth, disillusioned with communism, became more brazen with their protests.

When the Soviet system collapsed, fan violence at games became commonplace and most of the regular match-attending fans not interested in violence walked away. When communism fell in 1989, attendances in Hungary averaged about 7,000. Today they are below 3,000.

The remaining match-going public largely share similar sentiments. White power tattoos are common among the ultras groups at domestic games, as are Nazi-inspired banners, and this has spilled into national team games more recently, so much so that before Hungary’s European Championship game in Munich in June, the Carpathian Brigade warned fans on its Facebook page that they would need to cover tattoos to abide by local laws.

The Carpathian Brigade has become almost impossible to control. The principles it was founded on are starting to shatter and it is impossible to determine who belongs to the group.

On Tuesday night the core of the Carpathian Brigade were not in attendance, yet the group’s rising infamy is breeding a culture that inspires those in the ultras culture outside the group’s core to hide under its banner.



It was a mix of Hungarian and Polish fans who caused the trouble at Wembley on Tuesday night. Poland and Hungary’s close connections date back centuries and in football terms over the past decade the ultras groups have begun to form ever more intertwined relationships.

Before 2009 Hungary’s ultras at national team games were fragmented. Ferencvaros ultras would not associate with their rival ultras Ujpest, and neither would Fehervar, Honved or Debrecen. Each ultras group would sit in a different part of the stadium and they would never walk under the same banner.

Now under the Carpathian Brigade name, Hungary’s ultras (and to a small extent Poland’s too) have formed alliances that in the fragmented years most would have thought impossible.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
its going to be a fun day when american nazis start forging links with their european brethren, wonder whats taking them so long

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

mila kunis posted:

its going to be a fun day when american nazis start forging links with their european brethren, wonder whats taking them so long
Things fall apart every time they start discussing football.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Things fall apart every time they start discussing football.

lol

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
the way americans vibe with sports seems different where is primarily about getting hosed up to the point you poo poo your pants and over here a crime syndicate almost

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Things fall apart every time they start discussing football.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/mattsteinglass/status/1448919905701711877

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Some dude killed five people in Norway with bow and arrow and the comments sections are having a hell of a time deciding if it's terrorism, because he's a white Muslim convert and also has long history of severe mental illness. And of course the police were already aware of him, his neighbours avoided him, his parents had a restraining order against him for violent threats involving a firearm, and his friend specifically warned police years ago that he might do something terrible. Nothing to be done.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



according to headlines, they were like super close to catching him before he killed a bunch of people so you cant say if cops are bad or not

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



SplitSoul posted:

Some dude killed five people in Norway with bow and arrow and the comments sections are having a hell of a time deciding if it's terrorism, because he's a white Muslim convert and also has long history of severe mental illness. And of course the police were already aware of him, his neighbours avoided him, his parents had a restraining order against him for violent threats involving a firearm, and his friend specifically warned police years ago that he might do something terrible. Nothing to be done.

Another proof Europeans don’t really have a problem with Islam, but with the race of the people that usually adhere to it.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Another proof Europeans don’t really have a problem with Islam, but with the race of the people that usually adhere to it.

its not even secret

a person who was rejected citizenship this year: theyve lived here for 40+ years, and for completions sake told the govt they were at a party in 1984 where stolen booze was being passed around. the year is not a typo. neither the person nor the govt has been able to find any documentation or reference to this "illegality", which the govt is using to reject citizenship

marie krarup literally says on the record: "idk i just vote no on brown people"

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Carthag Tuek posted:

marie krarup literally says on the record: "idk i just vote no on brown people"

Also she gets really mad when you point out her dad is an antisemite and provide several references.

staticman
Sep 12, 2008

Be gay
Death to America
Suck my dick Israel
Mess with Texas
and remember to lmao

SplitSoul posted:

Some dude killed five people in Norway with bow and arrow and the comments sections are having a hell of a time deciding if it's terrorism, because he's a white Muslim convert and also has long history of severe mental illness. And of course the police were already aware of him, his neighbours avoided him, his parents had a restraining order against him for violent threats involving a firearm, and his friend specifically warned police years ago that he might do something terrible. Nothing to be done.

National Socialism/White Supremacy with Islamic Characteristics

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

Honest Thief posted:

the way americans vibe with sports seems different where is primarily about getting hosed up to the point you poo poo your pants and over here a crime syndicate almost

Also the young American nazis are all nerds who can't pretend to like sports throws a wrench in it I imagine

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

did jobbik really team up with liberals and leftists in hungary to take down fidesz

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58947172

quote:

Spain's Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez pledged on Sunday to outlaw prostitution in the country.

Speaking to supporters at the end of his Socialist Party's three-day congress in Valencia, Mr Sanchez said that the practice "enslaves" women.

Prostitution was decriminalised in Spain in 1995 and in 2016 the UN estimated the country's sex industry was worth €3.7bn (£3.1bn, $4.2bn).

A 2009 survey found that up to 1 in 3 Spanish men had paid for sex.

However, another report published in 2009 suggested that the figure may be as high as 39% and a 2011 UN study cited Spain as the third biggest centre for prostitution in the world, behind Thailand and Puerto Rico.

Prostitution is currently unregulated in Spain, and there is no punishment for those who offer paid sexual services of their own will as long as it does not take place in public spaces. However, pimping or acting as a proxy between a sex worker and a potential client is illegal.

The industry has boomed since its decriminalisation and it is commonly estimated that around 300,000 women work as prostitutes in Spain.

In 2019, Mr Sanchez's party published a pledge in its election manifesto to outlaw prostitution, in what was seen as a move to attract more female voters.

The manifesto called prostitution "one of the cruellest aspects of the feminisation of poverty and one of the worst forms of violence against women".

However two years on from the election, no legislation has yet been tabled.

Supporters of Spain's current system say that it has brought huge benefits to the women working in the trade and made life safer for them.

However in recent years significant concerns have grown around the potential for women to be trafficked into sex work. In 2017, Spanish police identified 13,000 women in anti-trafficking raids, stating that at least 80% of them were being exploited against their will by a third party.

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
^^^ I think that's great, 99.99% of prostitutes are slaves.

Can't see it being a vote winner with the idiot toxic men population so I hope the progressive side carries this one.

VVVVV Yeah!

The PS has had good adviser on gender issues over the years so I am holding out hope that that's the route they follow.

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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






if you want to outlaw prostitution, don't criminalize the supply side, criminalize the demand side.

otherwise all you're doing is criminalizing women who are already being exploited, making a bad situation worse.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i work at a hotel and rent one of my rooms to a photographer who has local sex workers visit for fancy-ish onlyfans profile pics. should i be prosecuted

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

spankmeister posted:

if you want to outlaw prostitution, don't criminalize the supply side, criminalize the demand side.

otherwise all you're doing is criminalizing women who are already being exploited, making a bad situation worse.

If you want to outlaw prostitution, don't. Abolish capitalism instead.


Even if you criminalize just the demand side, what is the effect going to be on people working as prostitutes? Firstly realize that these people are in majority doing this work because they need money to meet basic human needs like food and shelter for themselves and possible dependents. Any kind of criminalizing law is not going to change that basic fact, nor will it change that this work was apparently better suited for these people than other work. For example because other work is not available to them.

So if the clients are criminalized, what happens? Well, some section of them will leave the market. This means more competition and less income for those working as prostitutes, meaning they will be economically incentivized to not turn down dodgy clients giving them bad vibes. It also means their bargaining position, for example to insist on condom usage, is weakened. The clients now automatically being criminals will also demand more discretion, so they will want to take the prostitutes to more secluded places than before. It also stands to reason that the non-abusive clients are more likely to exit the market upon criminalization than the abusive clients. Do any of these things sound like positive outcomes for people working as prostitutes?


Please read "Revolting Prostitutes: The Fight for Sex Workers' Rights" for a Marxist feminist and materialist analysis of the criminalization of sex work written by sex workers. And also do not criminalize sex work in any way if you care about sex workers.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Orange Devil posted:

If you want to outlaw prostitution, don't. Abolish capitalism instead.


Even if you criminalize just the demand side, what is the effect going to be on people working as prostitutes? Firstly realize that these people are in majority doing this work because they need money to meet basic human needs like food and shelter for themselves and possible dependents. Any kind of criminalizing law is not going to change that basic fact, nor will it change that this work was apparently better suited for these people than other work. For example because other work is not available to them.

So if the clients are criminalized, what happens? Well, some section of them will leave the market. This means more competition and less income for those working as prostitutes, meaning they will be economically incentivized to not turn down dodgy clients giving them bad vibes. It also means their bargaining position, for example to insist on condom usage, is weakened. The clients now automatically being criminals will also demand more discretion, so they will want to take the prostitutes to more secluded places than before. It also stands to reason that the non-abusive clients are more likely to exit the market upon criminalization than the abusive clients. Do any of these things sound like positive outcomes for people working as prostitutes?


Please read "Revolting Prostitutes: The Fight for Sex Workers' Rights" for a Marxist feminist and materialist analysis of the criminalization of sex work written by sex workers. And also do not criminalize sex work in any way if you care about sex workers.

a good post

anyway i posted that because it's from spain's left-wing government which should loving know better

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Orange Devil posted:

If you want to outlaw prostitution, don't. Abolish capitalism instead.


Even if you criminalize just the demand side, what is the effect going to be on people working as prostitutes? Firstly realize that these people are in majority doing this work because they need money to meet basic human needs like food and shelter for themselves and possible dependents. Any kind of criminalizing law is not going to change that basic fact, nor will it change that this work was apparently better suited for these people than other work. For example because other work is not available to them.

So if the clients are criminalized, what happens? Well, some section of them will leave the market. This means more competition and less income for those working as prostitutes, meaning they will be economically incentivized to not turn down dodgy clients giving them bad vibes. It also means their bargaining position, for example to insist on condom usage, is weakened. The clients now automatically being criminals will also demand more discretion, so they will want to take the prostitutes to more secluded places than before. It also stands to reason that the non-abusive clients are more likely to exit the market upon criminalization than the abusive clients. Do any of these things sound like positive outcomes for people working as prostitutes?


Please read "Revolting Prostitutes: The Fight for Sex Workers' Rights" for a Marxist feminist and materialist analysis of the criminalization of sex work written by sex workers. And also do not criminalize sex work in any way if you care about sex workers.

I'm not reading all that but I agree that prostitution shouldn't be outlawed, a position I should have stated in my original post.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





judging by the massive amount of Spanish TERF accounts I've come across on Twitter over the past year, I feel like there are a lot of TERFs and SWERFs in Spain

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

spankmeister posted:

I'm not reading all that but I agree that prostitution shouldn't be outlawed, a position I should have stated in my original post.

spankmeister posted:

if you want to outlaw prostitution, don't criminalize the supply side, criminalize the demand side.

otherwise all you're doing is criminalizing women who are already being exploited, making a bad situation worse.

this opinion sucks, apply it to weed smokers and weed dealers and then see yourself out

you know who some of the worst people on earth are? johns. they're garbage. should i toss 'em all in jail or make sure what they want is safe?

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