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Rust Martialis posted:Garlic and onions hanging around your neck, smoking Gauloises and drinking 50? Smoked Gauloises, it’s the best smoke you can find in Canada because we don’t have Luckies, and I can confirm it doesn’t help. But it’s still a really goddamn good cigarette. Their lack of availability in ROC probably contributed to my quitting smoking, because I don’t think I would’ve held the line if Gauloises, Petr I, RyJs, Ducados, or Luckies were easy to find here. Green Death has a great nic hit but the flavour is too light. EDIT: But to make my page snipe into something other than my ode to strong cigarettes, I'll offer my perspective having lived in Montreal. I think it probably was downtown. That's the only place I ever had a problem not speaking perfect French. I'd go all over, never had a problem even with my pure poo poo French that was the result of learning it in Alberta up to the point I could quit. Never had a problem speaking English either, when you're in a situation with a linguistic divide you just make it work. Downtown Montreal is literally the only place I've ever been in the world, from Cuba to Spain to Brazil to Germany, where I'd ever get laughed at for speaking the local language imperfectly, and not encouraged. It's also, roughly, the only place I've ever been where people weren't *too* eager to speak to me in English when I wanted to try. The language politics are really toxic and the epicentre of the problem is downtown Montreal, because everywhere else doesn't really give a gently caress. Even other bits of Montreal. My French is pure poo poo, but I never had a problem outside downtown proper. PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Maybe they meant to say that's the direction they're going? Angrignon is at the west end of the green line, that train was going east. The driver was probably drunk or winning a bet.
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Oct 18, 2021 04:34
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Do you remember when the TTC operators first had to start calling out the stops? They used to pull all kinds of poo poo. I always figured it was some kind of work-to-rule protest.
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Oct 18, 2021 04:37
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But... "próxima estación: Esperanza" There's always hope.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think generally at worse I get that moment of confusion when I speak English to someone speaking French and they need a moment to switch to English; at my work all meetings switched to English since I'm the only one who doesn't speak any French. I think Montreal has generally been fine as a monolingual English speaker (I was born and raised in Quebec but never learned French). Uh, the reasonable thing to do would be to at least learn enough to order at a Tim Hortons in the province that you were born, raised, and currently live. It's annoying enough that your entire work team has to switch for you but you can't even be bothered to do the minimum? Like I used to live in Vancouver. It would be kind of annoying if someone didn't bother to learn the basics in english because there's probably someone in the store that speaks Cantonese you know? I'm anglophone, born and raised on the west coast. I should not be more capable than you in French. The whole post kind of blows my mind because it makes you look exactly like the terrible, entitled anglophone that should legitimately be scorned. How did this happen? You even misspelled the name of your own hometown. What in the heck.
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That made me laugh, because I always obsess over rehearsing my coffee order in french when in line in Quebec, and then inevitably give that dumb frozen stare when things go even slightly off script like them asking if I want a tray in French.
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Oct 18, 2021 14:46
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I once asked for a coffee with two milks in french and they gave me two coffees without milk 
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Oct 18, 2021 15:08
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I just have trouble pronouncing creme according to my SO, who is francophone. Also according to people in Tims drivethroughs. I used to be able to but I can't do the Rs as well anymore.
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Oct 18, 2021 15:35
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Evis posted:Any time I tried to speak French in Montreal the other person would just switch to English. I've always considered being able to speak French in Montreal and not having the other person switch to English a measure of how well a person speaks French. It's a way better metric than having completed some sort of course in French at least.
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Oct 18, 2021 15:55
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There was a time when I could pass as francophone but after a couple of decades living among les tête carrées, my english accent is grating on my own ears.
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Embrace the hard 'r' of English, speak French freely with a thick accent! Liberate yourself from the shame of 'not speaking correctly' and enjoy the same courtesy you extend to people who have accents in English! Join the revolution
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Oct 18, 2021 15:57
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Jordan7hm posted:I just have trouble pronouncing creme according to my SO, who is francophone. Also according to people in Tims drivethroughs. I used to be able to but I can't do the Rs as well anymore. You need to work on rolling up your Rs.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:03
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Good strat to never get bothered for speaking English in Quebec: open with a horribly pronounced bonjour, and almost 100% people (at least in Montreal) will gladly switch mostly to not waste anyone’s time. The woman with the tweet should just move one neighborhood over, instead of a whole province it sounds like they have an insane neighbor.
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Rodney The Yam II posted:Embrace the hard 'r' of English, speak French freely with a thick accent! Liberate yourself from the shame of 'not speaking correctly' and enjoy the same courtesy you extend to people who have accents in English! Join the revolution honnêtement la, j'm'en fou
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I watched the Vancouver Olympics ceremonies on CBC website, and at the closing ceremonies after all that kerfuffle about the paucity of French, when Furlong started speaking his horribly accented French the chat window erupted with cries of "We were wrong, we are so sorry, please stop him speaking French, oh god make him stop". https://twitter.com/i/status/1233618002580361216 Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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Another Bill posted:honnêtement la, j'm'en fou pa'd stresse
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oh, so now the definition of bad french is any french i can understand the first time through? actually that checks out
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Azerban posted:oh, so now the definition of bad french is any french i can understand the first time through? actually that checks out If you don't speak French with a 17th century accent it's not true French. My Quebec transcribers tend to complain any time they have to transcribe France French or Parisian French because it's utterly alien to their ears.
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Arc Hammer posted:If you don't speak French with a 17th century accent it's not true French. My Quebec transcribers tend to complain any time they have to transcribe France French or Parisian French because it's utterly alien to their ears. I have literally the opposite problem because somehow my Ontario French immersion schooling left me understanding only Standard French. I am helpless in the face of Quebecois.
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Another Bill posted:honnêtement la, j'm'en fou Je men crisse la la mon truck est stuckee sur le track ostie
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I often switch to English when I encounter an anglophone simply because it gives me an opportunity to practice, but I live in Quebec city so it's not like I get to speak English that often.
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As a product of the Ontario education system I am only trained to speak French to anthropomorphic pineapples and only if the conversation is pertaining to whether or not pineapples can fly commercial passenger aircraft.
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Oct 18, 2021 19:00
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I am only equipped to warn francophones if there is a werewolf in a forest.
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Oct 18, 2021 19:14
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I can do most pizza toppings in french
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Lotta self loathing anglos in this thread really beating themselves up, yeesh. Like it's nice that you learned French and all and you should definitely speak it if you live in Quebec or even eastern NB but I absolutely promise you my Tantes are the most racist people in the country. Calisse. Those podcast kids sounds dumb but ethnonationalist stupidity is probably not constrained to my family and hoo boy do they sound like ostie de colon Serbians or Israelis sometimes.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:As a product of the Ontario education system I am only trained to speak French to anthropomorphic pineapples and only if the conversation is pertaining to whether or not pineapples can fly commercial passenger aircraft. I am unfortunately completely unaware of how to say any number either divisible by 3 or containing 3, but my pronunciation of pamplemousse is absolutely perfect.
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My wife's been living in Canada for 10 years and she only recently realized that there are such things a monolingual french speakers. She thought french in canada was like Welsh in england or something, a niche language a tiny group was trying to keep alive and no one spoke as a first language. She had some meetings with people in quebec and got mad after saying "Why do some people from quebec put on a heavy french accent?? You're canadian, just speak normal english!" she thought it was entirely an affected thing. She was blown away at the idea that there's big parts of Quebec where you simply could not get by if you only spoke english and yes there's entirely towns and families where people don't speak a lick of english or only learn it in high school and thus have a heavy and real accent. It's extremely easy in BC to totally forget french exists in Canada.
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Fidelitious posted:Uh, the reasonable thing to do would be to at least learn enough to order at a Tim Hortons in the province that you were born, raised, and currently live. It's annoying enough that your entire work team has to switch for you but you can't even be bothered to do the minimum? If I lived in a foreign country I think you'd have a point but I don't live in a foreign country.
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I've lived in Canada close to 20 years now and have been to Monteal twice. The second time I went I was with a girl who is bilingual and we managed pretty okay in Montreal with my speaking English and her speaking French. She did most of the talking but I was able to get by as well if I went to grab a coffee or such. When we got to Quebec City it was completely different. It was interesting because her family is also bilingual but speak English at home and they live in Quebec City so I figure outside of their home they speak French all the time. She told me that in QC when we go out she will do all the ordering and talking and such.
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Fidelitious posted:How did this happen? You even misspelled the name of your own hometown.  Enquiring minds demand answers.
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J'ai besoin de l'aide pour commander une cappuccino glacé, svp sans pamplemousse merci beaucoup!
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Raenir Salazar posted:If I lived in a foreign country I think you'd have a point but I don't live in a foreign country. Incredible. Do you think a german Swiss would move to Ticino and then get all upset because they have difficulty ordering a coffee because they couldn't be bothered to learn any italian? After all, it's not a foreign country. Regional languages within a country are not an innovative concept, and languages don't care about borders. Legal lines on a map have no bearing on what would be deemed the polite (or even rational) thing to do linguistically. Not that there aren't tons of other monolingual anglophones in Montreal and spread around, but I think everyone should make a basic effort. I don't necessarily expect eventual fluency from everyone. Fidelitious fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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The last time I ordered an iced cap in English from a Quebec Timmies I got a serious  so I'm never going back!!
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Madkal posted:I've lived in Canada close to 20 years now and have been to Monteal twice. The second time I went I was with a girl who is bilingual and we managed pretty okay in Montreal with my speaking English and her speaking French. She did most of the talking but I was able to get by as well if I went to grab a coffee or such. Same experience in Montreal and Quebec City with my wife, I got along fine in Montreal speaking English and with my wife speaking French (she lived in Rimouski for a bit) but once we got to QC I think I talked to maybe two people. I gotta say though, français québécois is easy to understand compared to some of the Acadian dialects - I could understand the gist of what they were saying in Quebec, but I’ve never understood anything someone from Cheticamp or Arichat said to me. Saw a few headlines about an Alberta referendum on equalization payments. Is there anything they can actually do if they vote to stop the payments? I thought it was basically a federal redistribution of funds.
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Fidelitious posted:Incredible. Well firstly of all I never said it upset me, that seems to be a misunderstanding on your part; bemused is not being upset. Secondly there is an explanation but it involves a lot of personal information I'd prefer not to divulge.
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I don't know why ordering coffee is the go to example for basic language proficiency. First, if you've ever been to Starbucks you speak enough Italian to order coffee. Second, Kaffe is like the same loving word in every European language, and third, even if you don't speak a word of the local language it's amazing how far you can get by pointing and smiling.
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Albino Squirrel posted:I don't know why ordering coffee is the go to example for basic language proficiency. Because Canadians are pissbrained simpletons.
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Another Dirty Dish posted:Same experience in Montreal and Quebec City with my wife, I got along fine in Montreal speaking English and with my wife speaking French (she lived in Rimouski for a bit) but once we got to QC I think I talked to maybe two people. I gotta say though, français québécois is easy to understand compared to some of the Acadian dialects - I could understand the gist of what they were saying in Quebec, but I’ve never understood anything someone from Cheticamp or Arichat said to me. No, it's purely for crying purposes.
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Due to the weird out datedness of Quebec French I would have thought "Coffee" would translate to the French words for "black tar water"
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