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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Gotta help along the mental gymnastics so no one has to admit Donnie was wrong and is an idiot.

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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005






I saw this 20 minutes ago and I'm still laughing my rear end off. You have to be in a deep religious bubble to believe this kind of poo poo.

CellBlock
Oct 6, 2005

It just don't stop.



Nelson Mandingo posted:



I saw this 20 minutes ago and I'm still laughing my rear end off. You have to be in a deep religious bubble to believe this kind of poo poo.

It's better than what I thought it would be from the title - raising hell in a TJ Maxx.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Also known as Hell Min/Maxing

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

Contempt for their viewership and actively seeking death upon them?

Since Fox News has mandated vaccination for it's employees it's hard not to assume some sort of cynical motive. Even if you simply assume Fox requires the vaccine to reduce it's insurance premiums they still understand at a fundamental level that COVID is an issue and that vaccination is a reasonable mitigation.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Casimir Radon posted:

Gotta help along the mental gymnastics so no one has to admit Donnie was wrong and is an idiot.

Even Trump got on board the vaccine train eventually, remember when he tried to take credit for them? They are more willing to admit that Trump is wrong (currently) than they are to admit that they've been wrong.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-asks-supporters-45-each-help-solve-election-fraud-election-1639785

quote:

Members of Donald Trump's mailing list have been asked to contribute $45 each to "solve the election fraud of 2020," despite no evidence of mass voter fraud.
...
A message sent on behalf of Trump told supporters "we need at least $45 from EACH Patriot reading this email" in order to "defend our elections from the lying Left and WIN BIG in 2022 and then again in 2024."

Somewhere out there thousands of Fox News Grandpa's are getting out their checkbooks while wondering how far they keep stretching their Social Security checks.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Kirk/Candice's family were always religious nuts. I know it affected Growing Pains, but I don't know how much it affected Full House.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
"Yeah bro really maxxed out my hell, check out my sin gains"

This is like something your priest at a Catholic School would be warning the kids about.

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA

FlamingLiberal posted:

Also known as Hell Min/Maxing
Dumping into Slothfullness to max out my Greed

Edit: Beaten, should have refreshed

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

The gently caress are the parents gonna do? Any attempt at discipline is just gonna hand the kid a "disobey parents" bonus

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Doctor Butts posted:

Kirk/Candice's family were always religious nuts. I know it affected Growing Pains, but I don't know how much it affected Full House.

Kirk was the main draw of the show so had a lot more power to affect things than his sister did on Full House. Must suck being a regular cast member getting an easy paycheck and having some nutjob flush it down the toilet.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

Contempt for their viewership and actively seeking death upon them?

Murdoch benefits from a weaker US. His sons are more stupid and believe in the flavoraid

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Clarste posted:

Even Trump got on board the vaccine train eventually, remember when he tried to take credit for them? They are more willing to admit that Trump is wrong (currently) than they are to admit that they've been wrong.
He’s really careful to be vague about what he actually believes in a lot of cases, so dumbfucks can just project their hopes and dreams into him. He’s been so inconsistent about any and all things COVID, and the only thing you can count on is him saying what he thinks will benefit him at any particular moment.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





PhazonLink posted:

Murdoch benefits from a weaker US. His sons are more stupid and believe in the flavoraid

Isn't one of his sons very vocally against the constant lying on Fox?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Casimir Radon posted:

He’s really careful to be vague about what he actually believes in a lot of cases, so dumbfucks can just project their hopes and dreams into him. He’s been so inconsistent about any and all things COVID, and the only thing you can count on is him saying what he thinks will benefit him at any particular moment.

Got booed at his own rally for advocating for vaccines lol

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1450153630112403456?s=21

:sickos:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Oh please oh please

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Groovelord Neato posted:

Got booed at his own rally for advocating for vaccines lol
That backfired so now he’ll never advocate for a vaccine again.

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

I have the feeling that a lot of conservative media personalities are going to "intentionally get covid" in the near future, so they can pull a Joe Rogan in the (likely) event of their recovery and say "Look, guys, Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine totally work, the media is lying to you!"

EDIT: Apparently Russ Dizdar actually did bite it from Covid over the weekend. He's an obscure RWM figure to be sure, but he's essentially a guy that kept the 80's Satanic Panic going to the modern day, claiming that Generational Satanists are still kidnapping and torturing children en masse. He and Qanon didn't really get along, though, since his whole thing was demon possession and supernatural powers; he never really went along with the whole adrenochrome thing. He and a group of "Investigators" essentially had their own little grifty corner of the right wing conspiracy radio show media space (with frequent absences explained as "ongoing investigations", which of course they could never talk about, for reasons). Literally only I and a handful of mentally ill midwestern fathers care about this. RIP to a real one, Russ, you sure did shatter that darkness.

Crunch Buttsteak fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 18, 2021

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Froghammer posted:

Alex Jones slummung it with neckbearded nostalgia bros will never not be hilarious to me

It’s amazing to me that the only one who showed a modicum of self-awareness during the whole event was the loving Quartering of all people, who from the clip compilations I’ve seen of it, got increasingly squirmy and uncomfortable the longer Jones ranted for and then ducked out early after clearly hitting his limit.

A man who peed in his basement on camera because he was mad that his wife left him to go out for dine-in pizza alone rather than be with him was the only one of seven other ostensibly adult men who realized that hanging out in a Hollywood Squares screen with Alex Jones for any length of time was a bad look and maybe he made a mistake being here tonight.

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 18, 2021

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Hunt11 posted:

They have declared it a new part of the culture war and will be damned if they ever back down from it.

Yeah, it's like the War on Christmas bullshit. Everything is oppression, government overreach and commie socialism intruding on my freedom to infect others with a deadly virus while I get mad and yell "MERRY CHRISTMAS!" at WalMart greeters.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

Contempt for their viewership and actively seeking death upon them?

hard to say why fox keeps telling their viewers why vaccines are bad. also hard to say why the good guy power rangers always defeat their evil foe in each episode. maybe some day we'll find the answers to these mysteries of life

winterwerefox
Apr 23, 2010

The next movie better not make me shave anything :(

Nelson Mandingo posted:



I saw this 20 minutes ago and I'm still laughing my rear end off. You have to be in a deep religious bubble to believe this kind of poo poo.

tiktok bringing back helldumps

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
The right wing talking point all over radio and Fox News today is about how Joe Biden is secretly loading up planes with illegal immigrants and flying them to cities like Miami and New York. You may wonder how they could be doing this with nobody noticing. Well, the answer is obvious, of course: he's doing it in the middle of the night. Because there's never anyone in an airport late at night that would notice.

Also Hannity had some guy on talking about the Virginia governor's race, and the guy claimed that because of the issues of CRT and mask/vaccine mandates, that Youngkin was going to win by a landslide, and that he believes the second revolution has been sparked by education of all things. Now, there's no way in hell Youngkin wins in a landslide, the polls are way too close for that, but as a VA resident I gotta admit I'm worried. McAuliffe kinda shot himself in the foot pretty badly with him saying "Parents shouldn't dictate what schools should be teaching." Even if he's right, it caused some backlash, and Youngkin is at least close enough he could pull it off. This is pretty concerning given that Biden won this state by ten points.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

It's this.

You can't lead people down the garden path of paranoia and conspiracies and then just turn it off like a switch. They had people convinced that Jade Helm was a federal plot to take over Texas (???) and ship off all white people to FEMA camps in abandoned Walmarts.

Since Trump was ignoring covid, Fox spent all year defending that and throwing out flak to deflect deflect deflect: covid isn't real, it's a big government plot, lockdown is an excuse to steal your freedoms, masks are slave collars, Fauci is the mastermind, big pharma is covering up the cure, doctors are getting paid to kill you so they mark it as a covid death, anything to get their people to dismiss covid as a hoax and blame anything but Trump for the problems caused by the administration's failure to address it.

You can't do all that and go "just kidding, Fauci's cool, take the Fauci ouchie, trust doctors again lol!"

Maybe if Trump had gotten reelected and went full on bragging that he personally invented the vaccine. Maybe.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I remember there was like a week or two where some of the Fox hosts were kind of encouraging people to get vaccinated

Ever since then, it's just a non-stop parade of anti-vaxxers and/or people who quit their jobs rather than get vaccinated

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
I said this before, but I'm kinda 50:50 on Murdoch, Jack, Zuck, and Google (lol good job Google/Alphabet on making sure no human is named/linked to your sins) on being able to brainwash regressives into the correct vaccine stance if they truely went hardcore in.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Tucker Carlson was also briefly on the side of taking covid seriously, but pivoted after Trump shat the bed and there was no way to reconcile "covid is a big deal" with Trump saying it's just the flu take HCQ and a Z-pack and you'll be fine.

E:

PhazonLink posted:

I said this before, but I'm kinda 50:50 on Murdoch, Jack, Zuck, and Google (lol good job Google/Alphabet on making sure no human is named/linked to your sins) on being able to brainwash regressives into the correct vaccine stance if they truely went hardcore in.

Yeah Trump just got booed at a rally for saying the vaccine works and people should get it. Thing is, he didn't brainwash anyone into becoming conspiracy theorists, they were already and he was just willing to validate that and rode the crazy to the top of the Republican Party. They listen to all their own conspiracy grifters and dumb poo poo, and kinda just project what they want onto Trump as long as he kinda sorta says some stuff they want to hear.

He stood right next to Fauci and Birx at those press conferences trying to look serious, did that make Republicans trust them and think they were cool? No, they mostly just didn't know and weren't told that Trump was smiling next to The Enemy at press conferences and agreeing with them, and the ones that did know just chalked it up to either a 99th-dimensional QAnon chess plan by Trump or just said "oh that's how you know the Deep State is blackmailing him, he would never do that on his own free will"

E:
Here's Ben Garrison finding a way to deal with the cognitive dissonance of believing Fauci created the virus and Trump has the proof, and Trump not even firing the guy who engineered the virus on purpose to destroy America

"Uh Fauci has all the power, somehow, his boss the president can do nothing but whine"

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Oct 20, 2021

SetSliRol
Apr 30, 2021

"The power of the Marfalump idea is it's one, simple idea. It's not about Pepsi or Star Wars. It's about a character that loves both."

FlamingLiberal posted:

I remember there was like a week or two where some of the Fox hosts were kind of encouraging people to get vaccinated

Ever since then, it's just a non-stop parade of anti-vaxxers and/or people who quit their jobs rather than get vaccinated

Fox does have a PSA out about vaccination but in the many months I've lived with Fox in the background I've only heard it once. I think Hannity has advocated for it at least once but it's always sandwiched between stuff about big government vaccine mandates and slippery slope and BRAVE AMERICANS not taking the jab.

This is anecdotal too but outside of Bartiromo, Hannity and Tucker I haven't heard any of the other big hosts talk about vaccines at all, though I'm sure shitheads like Gutfeld! and Watters have bitched about it before. They're always careful to err on the side of 'vaccine hesitancy', too, and not go full mask-off, I'm assuming just to save face, but that's really all it takes: having a Smart Guy On The News say that the vaccine is scary and to do your own research, then the viewer's assuredly pilled personal algorithm will turn them towards some internet experts that are fully anti-vax.

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

Contempt for their viewership and actively seeking death upon them?

I think the common opinion, at least in this thread, is that it's a push to pump up Biden's covid deaths/hospitalizations so that they can prove he's ineffective, it's a crisis, blood on his hands, etc. It's a strategy they've employed before (Google 'riling up the crazies') but it's also extremely also them just going along with the culture war and talking points.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Hannity's way of avoiding telling people to get vaccinated without going full anti-vaxx is to say "Hey I'm not a doctor so I can't give medical advice. Do your own research and talk to your doctor about what you think is the best way to take care of you and your family's health." He always praises every anti-vaxxer who calls in and tells them that they're brave and true patriots and value freedom.

Radio Nowhere
Jan 8, 2010
This is one way to flame out when you're not the next Limbaugh.

http://www.insideradio.com/free/dan...e50b504e34.html

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Radio Nowhere posted:

This is one way to flame out when you're not the next Limbaugh.

http://www.insideradio.com/free/dan...e50b504e34.html

He's not the next Limbaugh because he didn't take calls. Part of the show of being told how you're not alone is having fellow people call in and hear their voices. ANd also a host who could own the libs when they called in. (it's easy. As an easily baited call in guy I can assure you owning them isn't hard.)

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I missed this from yesterday

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1450629726868054016?s=21

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Mercury_Storm posted:

Still trying to comprehend why Fox is pushing anti-vax poo poo so hard and for so long. Is it because it's just what their listeners want to hear and they can no longer control the discourse anyways due to losing viewers to OAN after the election or something?

Contempt for their viewership and actively seeking death upon them?

Conspiracy is a big-money industry. Anti-vaxxers who refuse normal treatment in order to stick it to BIG PHARMA are buying up vitamin supplements, herbal concoctions, and paying through the nose to a small subset of doctors willing to prescribe ivermectin online to anyone in the nation.

Gold companies aren't the only ones who have an interest in Fox continuing to preach doom.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
arent most alt med poo poo just sold by a shell company owned by BIG PHARMA anyway?

like the most epensive thing is probably just the containers and package artwork, homeopath stuff is just (or should just be) water.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
It's not just homeopathic stuff, the big ones I hear at least are ads for Texas SuperFood, which is a supplement that supposedly contains all the nutrients that get cooked out of your normal food, Relief Factor (endorsed by Sebastian Gorka) which is a drug free alternative pain relief treatment, as well as on the weekends a lot of those hour long paid ads from chiropractor Michael Pinkus about how you're not getting enough of nutrient or vitamin x, and to buy this revolutionary product that will make you feel young again. CalMax is I think the most known of his products but he's also got one for vitamin D3 and a couple of others I can't remember.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Somewhat related to this thread if we want to relive the end result of 25 years of RWM bullshit but HBO is dropping a a documentary about Jan 6 called Four Hours at the Capitol

https://www.avclub.com/hbo-s-four-hours-at-the-capitol-grimly-documents-a-nigh-1847858525

I'll watch the film eventually but at the moment I just don't have the heart to subject myself to it. Knowing how many of these creeps are still out there, locked and loaded, mad, stupid and facing the very real prospect of Trump being re-elected in 2024 is more than I can wrap my head around and still maintain any shred of optimism. It loving scares me and I think we're far from "done" with this poo poo.

Just the clips/preview made my heart sink.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

BiggerBoat posted:

I'll watch the film eventually but at the moment I just don't have the heart to subject myself to it. Knowing how many of these creeps are still out there, locked and loaded, mad, stupid and facing the very real prospect of Trump being re-elected in 2024 is more than I can wrap my head around and still maintain any shred of optimism. It loving scares me and I think we're far from "done" with this poo poo.

Don't watch the film if you don't want to, but I think you really misunderstand what happened on January 6th. A bunch of people were there for what was basically a Trump rally, and then with all their fervor, the best they could muster was just impotently roaming around the capital in a way that caught them federal charges. They're so unorganized they don't even know how to protest or do a demonstration. And with the number of them that could have been armed considering how many guns are floating around in the US, surprisingly few of them were actually armed.

The takeaway from that is what everyone who followed the Freep thread landed on after years of reading their dumb bullshit. These people are fascists, but their privilege has made them incredibly lazy and entitled to the point that they are too cowardly to work toward their stated goals. They also melt when actual state power is brought to bear on them because their delusion always involves some branch of the state (military, police, etc.) siding with them to accomplish their goal for them. So January 6th was pretty messed up, but I think it's important not to attribute power to these people that they clearly just don't have.

By that same token, Trump isn't likely to even become the GOP nominee in 2024. He doesn't lead his base. He follows it, and that's always been true. He's either backed away or given up on things he tried to demonstrate leadership on. He wanted to get credit for ending the wars, but the second he saw pulling out of Afghanistan was unpopular he backed away from it despite already having negotiated the exit. He tried to lead on the vaccines, and his base doesn't want to hear that either. He could have been out there every day saying, "Get the Trump vaccine! It works!" He occasionally attempts to take credit for the vaccine at rallies, but quickly changes the subject when it's clear the audience is having none of it. Trump is a coward too.

2024 GOP primary is gonna be a clown car with all the candidates trying to chase the base the same way Trump did. Trump is unlikely to even run in the primary because he's no longer special, and it wouldn't just be a coronation. It's unlikely he even endorses a candidate early enough to matter because he's so skittish about backing a losing candidate. We're not done with Trumpism, but it's not really ascendant. Any victories it has/had are mostly just failures of the Democratic party to address concerns, and that can be fixed any time if Democrats actually do something to handle structural issues in the country. That's very different from it being a popular movement with force behind it.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Oct 21, 2021

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



“It can be fixed anytime the Democrats do something”.

Well, we’re going to be stuck with Trumpism a long, long time.

I do think you’re right. The danger isn’t so much with random chuds, though they can be dangerous. The GOP knows how to wield power effectively even if their mouth-breathing base doesn’t, and if the Democrats do nothing, which is pretty likely, they’ll cement a semi-permanent advantage.

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