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KingKalamari posted:There were some jokes in Borderlands 2/The Pre-Sequel that involve Tiny Tina (Who is canonically 13 years old) either making reference to adult sexuality or jokes involving her being attracted to adult character Mad Moxxi. I didn't know about that second part. That's a fair reason to have a problem with her, I just found it remarkable that she wasnt feral and trying to bite off one of your fingers or something, living on that planet by herself. fun hater posted:how come that lady in prometheus didnt just run left or right when the spaceship was rolling on its edge toward her Panic
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Oct 19, 2021 22:34
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YggiDee posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saM3afhPfO8 This got swept under the Star Wars derail, but it's really good. Thanks for recommending it.
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Oct 19, 2021 22:41
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edogawa rando posted:I've left the cinema feeling disappointed plenty of times in the past, and once things re-open where I live, I'll probably leave disappointed plenty of times in the future. I mean, I paid money to see Prometheus and Wonder Woman 84, after all. But Rise of Skywalker is probably the only time I've actually left a cinema genuinely angry. I would have walked out of that loving piece of poo poo and asked for my money back had I not been there to see it with friends. The only movie I ever walked out of on my own was Amazing Spider-Man 2. I was like "nope, I'm done, I got better things to do with my time." I'd have done the same for ROS, but I was also seeing it with other people and couldn't bail, otherwise I probably wouldn't have made it past Burning Man Planet. The two huge hints that the movie was gonna be a miserable slog for me came in like the first five minutes; the first one was during the Lightspeed Skipping sequence when Finn and Poe talk about the engineer who's keeping the Falcon running in mid-flight and it cuts to a slug puppet instead of Rose, who is an engineer, last I checked, and then in the first scene with Rey in the forest, the close up shot of the space duct tape around Anakin's lightsaber. After that I was like "gently caress, I hope this movie goes by quickly and doesn't do anything really dumb that ruins Rey--gently caress."
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Oct 19, 2021 23:14
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For me I tuned out during the title crawl. And then I burst out laughing when the space chimpanzee welded Kyle's helmet back together.
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Oct 19, 2021 23:17
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i think the first half of ROS is dumb fun swiftly followed by mounting loads of anti-fun starting the moment rey fake blows up chewy Rose getting sidelined gently caress sucks tho
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Oct 19, 2021 23:26
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fun hater posted:how come that lady in prometheus didnt just run left or right when the spaceship was rolling on its edge toward her She does. Then it tips over in the direction she ran.
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Oct 19, 2021 23:37
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Gwen posted:i think the first half of ROS is dumb fun swiftly followed by mounting loads of anti-fun starting the moment rey fake blows up chewy
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Oct 20, 2021 00:03
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Ghostlight posted:the worst part of that scene is they show the second transport before it happens, leading to me sitting through it wondering why the movie even bothers to pretend it was a moment. There are weirdly incompetent bits in that movie, like how Finn never gets around to talking to Rey about that thing. We don't even find out what he wanted to say.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:12
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Bonaventure posted:i am willing to believe John Boyega when he says that the bullshit in the last Star Wars movie they will ever make wasn't JJ Abrams' fault Why listen to the people actually involved when the real experts are posting in this very thread
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Oct 20, 2021 00:14
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ROS felt like what would happen if you programmed a computer to generate a story using a random collection of adventure and sci-fi tropes, and then split the result in two and only filmed the second half of it. There wasn’t anything in it bad enough to make me angry as such; more baffled that it could have turned into such a ridiculous mess. I’m not exactly a fan of TLJ either, but that at least felt like a real movie that someone had crafted where events flow into one another in ways that sort of make sense. And it had those scenes with Luke and Rey that I genuinely liked until ROS came along and retroactively ruined them by undermining the whole point about Rey not being from any special bloodline.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:14
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Ghostlight posted:the worst part of that scene is they show the second transport before it happens, leading to me sitting through it wondering why the movie even bothers to pretend it was a moment. don't they also mention that R2 has backups of C3-PO's memories even before he gets them wiped, so that moment doesn't really deserve its weight either?
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Oct 20, 2021 00:15
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lmbo i forgot about that as well. so many attempts to make people care about things without being willing to actually do the things.Doctor Spaceman posted:There are weirdly incompetent bits in that movie, like how Finn never gets around to talking to Rey about that thing. We don't even find out what he wanted to say.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:17
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We were the only 4 people in the theatre for ROS and two of us had seen all the spoilers and were there to just see the trainwreck and our friends had tried to stay spoiler free. My friend spent the whole time watching my face as I hooted and got angry at every single edit point, cut, shot, just being the wrong choice at every time and our other two friends actually screaming at the movie because they were mad about how loving stupid it was and they were for caring. Worst movie I've seen in a theater, I walked out confident that film as a medium was dead. 20/10 experience would recommend gently caress all movies forever.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:20
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Ghostlight posted:he wanted to tell her he was in love with her because rose doesn't exist. Didn't Boyega or JJ say that he was actually going to tell her he was force sensitive which is like, the most obvious loving paper over lie on the planet because why in the ever loving gently caress would Finn choose then of all times to drop that nugget on Rey?
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Oct 20, 2021 00:21
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Arc Hammer posted:For me I tuned out during the title crawl. And then I burst out laughing when the space chimpanzee welded Kyle's helmet back together. Considering how Kylo Ren smashing up his Manchester's best Darth Vader tribute act helmet was part of his character arc of disavowing the past in an attempt to be his own person, a chimpanzee putting the stupid thing back together is the best metaphor for what Rise of Skywalker was really all about.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:22
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Sydin posted:Didn't Boyega or JJ say that he was actually going to tell her he was force sensitive which is like, the most obvious loving paper over lie on the planet because why in the ever loving gently caress would Finn choose then of all times to drop that nugget on Rey? Both said that, yeah. https://twitter.com/johnboyega/status/1209077504914444288?lang=en
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Oct 20, 2021 00:23
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Sydin posted:Caldwell-Gervais imo put it best that KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 are artistic companion pieces that are lessened when viewed individually, not just in terms of their connected plot but more so the philosophy behind each's development. The first game is the formula played completely straight, just a perfect capture of the spirit of Star Wars as a property. The second game is the formula completely deconstructed, picked over, ruthlessly criticized, and pointedly never put back together. It is a refutation of not just KOTOR 1, but the underpinnings of the property itself. And IMO, both games are good for what they are and are fascinating to play back-to-back. Yeah it sucks that KOTOR 1 has so much cringy bullshit in it like Bastilla's tsundere romance and it really sucks that even with restored content KOTOR 2 just... doesn't have an ending, but I love 'em both despite the flaws. Kotor 2 is like the greatest blursed example for a game I can think of. Obsidian was given no real direction, so they decided to take the loving piss out of the entire Star Wars mystical Jedi/Force ideology and rip into the entire idea with one of the core companions as a mouthpiece. They reasonably expected that someone at LucasArts would tell them no loving way, but they got the story pitch back from LA with a "sure, go ahead". One of the devs was pretty sure Kotor 2 was so low priority that no one actually read it past the first few pages, and now the entire team was excited to make a 'subversive' Star Wars game. Then, after being 6 months into development for a 18-24 month dev cycle, they get told "finish it by Christmas" which was a little over 6 months away. It's like no one aside from the actual developers had any interest in the game beyond a byline in a quarterly report, and that it turned out to be so good as it is and the first piece of official Star Wars media to just poo poo all over the space wizards was just a massive amount of luck and the game was shoved out the door in a barely finished state.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:23
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the only thing i remember about kotor 2 is the guy who says things are "pure pazaak"
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Oct 20, 2021 00:28
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Marin Karin posted:don't they also mention that R2 has backups of C3-PO's memories even before he gets them wiped, so that moment doesn't really deserve its weight either? And it's double-undermined by D-O having a clean copy of the map to Exegol for the entire run of the movie and he didn't give it to the heroes because they didn't think to ask him nicely for it. It's amazingly on the nose that a character voiced by JJ Abrams himself invalidates 3/4s of a movie made by JJ Abrams. That one will forever be a doozie.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:37
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Alaois posted:the only thing i remember about kotor 2 is the guy who says things are "pure pazaak" He also plays pazaak in his head to keep nosy force users from reading his mind.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:48
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General Ironicus posted:She does. Then it tips over in the direction she ran. No, the main character trips and rolls into a different direction. The lady just keeps running straight forward and gets crushed. Then the thing tips over towards the main character. But she lives because she happens to be in the right spot. (also they try running sideways for a little bit, but the thing somehow keeps perfectly tracking them anyway. Either that or they zigzagged for no reason) I spent way too much time thinking about many scenes from Prometheus. (which unfortunately led me through the Cinemasins tunnel for a few years) And the best ones were deleted from the film at that!
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Oct 20, 2021 01:23
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KOTOR 2 rules, shame about a good chunk of the game basically being cut for time. I kinda hope that the KOTOR remake sells well so some suits have to look at the sequel and make confused faces about what to do
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Oct 20, 2021 01:50
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KOTOR 2 loses its luster with having a Chris Avellone character lecturing me on morality.
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Oct 20, 2021 01:58
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Prometheus is awesome and it’s also awesome that the arrogant rich lady got squished by the ship.
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Oct 20, 2021 01:59
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Dawgstar posted:KOTOR 2 loses its luster with having a Chris Avellone character lecturing me on morality. Eh, the game doesn't really frame Kreia as being objectively right in her philosophy though and you can quite literally spend the whole game telling her to shove her worldview up her rear end.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:02
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Dawgstar posted:KOTOR 2 loses its luster with having a Chris Avellone character lecturing me on morality. imo it works because Kreia is a bitter old failure who rightfully admits it at the end
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Oct 20, 2021 02:04
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Jon Irenicus posted:imo it works because Kreia is a bitter old failure who rightfully admits it at the end Chris' best characters are those, bitter old people who either succeeded in a way they didn't actually want to or are failures. They're to be disliked and pitied, like the old priest Durance who's a mysognist piece of poo poo whos god tricked him and tried to kill everyone involved to cover up the evidence. At worst the whole setting will be upended to allow his "looks wrong" character into being "can be argued to be right"
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Oct 20, 2021 02:18
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If his work on Fallen Order wasn't to do with ex-jedi Taron Malicos I'd be very surprised.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:33
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i like g0-t0's "deal". i thought it was funny and cleverDeafNote posted:No, the main character trips and rolls into a different direction. ty so much for reminding me of the exact scene. i too am haunted by it
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Oct 20, 2021 02:35
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Grondoth posted:Chris' best characters are those, bitter old people who either succeeded in a way they didn't actually want to or are failures. They're to be disliked and pitied, like the old priest Durance who's a mysognist piece of poo poo whos god tricked him and tried to kill everyone involved to cover up the evidence. This topic comes up so much I'm just gonna quote myself and my standard reply: quote:I'm guessing everyone here has been through this discussion multiple times but this bears repeating. Kreia is far and away the most iconic character of KOTOR 2 because she's the best character in the game but that doesn't mean the game is pro-Kreia. Kreia's beliefs are the final boss more than the old women with three lightsabers. You come away with stronger beliefs of your own, your ideals having "leveled up" if you will from having a proper challenge, unlike the final boss of the last game who was just a physical obstacle and certainly didn't leave anybody pondering questions of morality. And something else I was reading reminded me of KOTOR 2, or Obsidian works in general: quote:Dostoevsky has a talent, distinguishing him from other modern writers, that embeds multiple voices and ideological conflicts in his characters' psychological struggles without offering an authoritative disposition. He always invites a polyphonic reading. His nihilist characters are persuasive and powerful... Not to say Avellone or Sawyer is Dostoyevsky but people seem so fixated on "there can be only ONE meaning!" No, a good writer can have multiple meanings in their work, and an RPG is particularly conducive to this. I wish more people played Pillars of Eternity1, though. What I wouldn't give to debate that more instead of KOTOR II or Fallout New Vegas. Both great games but POE touches on issues nearer and dearer to me. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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Oct 20, 2021 02:43
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Also for all that people whine about Durance and Kreia being Chris's Mouthpieces the plot of their games explicitly go out of their way to say and show that "No these bitter old fucks are loving wrong. They might have a few right points but they're horrible people and broken beyond repair do not trust their world view." Kreia's is the most ham handed of the two what with her boss fight being her becoming the exact same person she used to be, the person wholly wrapped up in all the bullshit she said she was above.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:49
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I think the POE thread does or used to go through a "which faction is morally correct" debate about POE2, slightly let down by the fact that the only correct answer is the Huana.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:51
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Impermanent posted:I think the POE thread does or used to go through a "which faction is morally correct" debate about POE2, slightly let down by the fact that the only correct answer is the Huana. Everyone sucks in POE2. It's great.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:53
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There's a moment at the end of Kotor 2 where you can ask Kreia if she loves you, and she says she does, and that made me want to cry. Games don't often make me feel that way!
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Oct 20, 2021 02:56
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Marin Karin posted:don't they also mention that R2 has backups of C3-PO's memories even before he gets them wiped, so that moment doesn't really deserve its weight either? No, it's just done in a really hamfisted "Oh there's NO WAY R2 has backups. No way, no how, nope *wink-wink*", and it's badly obvious you're strapping yourself in for at least a half hour of "Oh I've never done this before!!" 'jokes'.
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Oct 20, 2021 02:59
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Impermanent posted:I think the POE thread does or used to go through a "which faction is morally correct" debate about POE2, slightly let down by the fact that the only correct answer is the Huana. Yeah but that's just a different variant on NV talk. I enjoy politics and factions but POE1 is ultimately a game about existential questions, about the nature of being human. (Or I guess just a living person in general in the POE world) I only started playing POE last year so maybe I missed all the good talk back when POE1 first came out. Entirely possible. In any event, it didn't come up terribly much when I played the games, especially not compared to POE2's faction choices, and I attribute this to the second game focusing more on imperialism and politics. Those topics are....less abstract than pondering the nature of the soul or man's desperate need for meaning. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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Oct 20, 2021 02:59
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Also for all that people whine about Durance and Kreia being Chris's Mouthpieces the plot of their games explicitly go out of their way to say and show that "No these bitter old fucks are loving wrong. They might have a few right points but they're horrible people and broken beyond repair do not trust their world view." the gross poo poo about avellone coming out makes it a lot harder to appreciate durance even on that level, but it is great how every other party member absolutely despises his hateful rear end
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Oct 20, 2021 03:01
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Neddy Seagoon posted:No, it's just done in a really hamfisted "Oh there's NO WAY R2 has backups. No way, no how, nope *wink-wink*", and it's badly obvious you're strapping yourself in for at least a half hour of "Oh I've never done this before!!" 'jokes'. Which only really serves to remind anyone who's seen Return of the Jedi that we have, indeed, done this before.
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Oct 20, 2021 03:05
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The gross Avellone character is Grieving Mother but thankfully the worst of it got left on the cutting room floor.
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Oct 20, 2021 03:06
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dmboogie posted:the gross poo poo about avellone coming out makes it a lot harder to appreciate durance even on that level, but it is great how every other party member absolutely despises his hateful rear end and then there's the other Avellone character who, by design, nobody else in your party gives a poo poo about when you feed them to the Blood Pool
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Oct 20, 2021 03:07
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